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Post by thebet365 on Nov 23, 2017 12:04:25 GMT
They saw us as a way of winning the lottery and as soon as they found out it wasn't that easy and needed to buy a few more tickets, they let the club rot. You seem to develop your view of world events as if they revolve around Stoke City. The Icelandic consortium members and indeed Iceland as a nation was almost destroyed financially by the global collapse and banking crisis. I expect they were far too busy shitting themselves about what would become of them and their families to give too much of a shit about a football club in another country. They did the decent thing and sold out at the first opportunity as I say unlike Coates Mk1 who was so desperate to keep control that even when he did give it up(didn't have too much choice) he still found a way to exert control(golden share). Your history is a bit out, Talks regarding Coates buying back the club started in 2005 and were completed in 2006. The 1st financial shock IIRC was the Credit Crunch which started in August 2007 and the Icelandic banking collapse didn't happen until late 2008
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Post by skip on Nov 23, 2017 16:17:04 GMT
They saw us as a way of winning the lottery and as soon as they found out it wasn't that easy and needed to buy a few more tickets, they let the club rot. You seem to develop your view of world events as if they revolve around Stoke City. The Icelandic consortium members and indeed Iceland as a nation was almost destroyed financially by the global collapse and banking crisis. I expect they were far too busy shitting themselves about what would become of them and their families to give too much of a shit about a football club in another country. They did the decent thing and sold out at the first opportunity as I say unlike Coates Mk1 who was so desperate to keep control that even when he did give it up(didn't have too much choice) he still found a way to exert control(golden share). My memories from that time involve direct conversations with persons at Stoke (long story, won't go into it as they're anecdotal and unquantifiable) are that the Icelandic consortium gave it their best shot but realised they weren't up to the game and Coates Mk.II realised he could make amends due to the newly burgeoning world of on-line gambling. Chaos and fortune eventually got us back into the top division. That's why earlier on in this thread I stated it is too easy to say it was down to Pulis that we got up and Pulis that we stayed up. Many factors were involved, some reactive, others proactive but there's no hiding away from the fact that Pulis looks after number one. Weary disclaimer: Yes I know we got to a cup final with him in charge.
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Post by alster on Nov 23, 2017 16:26:08 GMT
You seem to develop your view of world events as if they revolve around Stoke City. The Icelandic consortium members and indeed Iceland as a nation was almost destroyed financially by the global collapse and banking crisis. I expect they were far too busy shitting themselves about what would become of them and their families to give too much of a shit about a football club in another country. They did the decent thing and sold out at the first opportunity as I say unlike Coates Mk1 who was so desperate to keep control that even when he did give it up(didn't have too much choice) he still found a way to exert control(golden share). My memories from that time involve direct conversations with persons at Stoke (long story, won't go into it as they're anecdotal and unquantifiable) are that the Icelandic consortium gave it their best shot but realised they weren't up to the game and Coates Mk.II realised he could make amends due to the newly burgeoning world of on-line gambling. Chaos and fortune eventually got us back into the top division. That's why earlier on in this thread I stated it is too easy to say it was down to Pulis that we got up and Pulis that we stayed up. Many factors were involved, some reactive, others proactive but there's no hiding away from the fact that Pulis looks after number one. Weary disclaimer: Yes I know we got to a cup final with him in charge. I have some recollection of them having financial problems and losing a big chunk of their net worth. I attributed that to the financial crash and banking crisis but momo is quite right in saying that was after they had sold up. I definitely still remember them having a large dent made in their fortunes but can't find anything to back it up but there were definitely non football money problems whilst they were still here.
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Post by skip on Nov 23, 2017 16:31:11 GMT
My memories from that time involve direct conversations with persons at Stoke (long story, won't go into it as they're anecdotal and unquantifiable) are that the Icelandic consortium gave it their best shot but realised they weren't up to the game and Coates Mk.II realised he could make amends due to the newly burgeoning world of on-line gambling. Chaos and fortune eventually got us back into the top division. That's why earlier on in this thread I stated it is too easy to say it was down to Pulis that we got up and Pulis that we stayed up. Many factors were involved, some reactive, others proactive but there's no hiding away from the fact that Pulis looks after number one. Weary disclaimer: Yes I know we got to a cup final with him in charge. I have some recollection of them having financial problems and losing a big chunk of their net worth. I attributed that to the financial crash and banking crisis but momo is quite right in saying that was after they had sold up. I definitely still remember them having a large dent made in their fortunes but can't find anything to back it up but there were definitely non football money problems whilst they were still here. All I can remember in terms of detail thereof, was that one of them made a mint importing fruit and veg into Iceland (a seriously big operation for a relatively small company) and the other was an investor, but I wouldn't like to state it as fact.
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Post by alster on Nov 23, 2017 16:44:11 GMT
I have some recollection of them having financial problems and losing a big chunk of their net worth. I attributed that to the financial crash and banking crisis but momo is quite right in saying that was after they had sold up. I definitely still remember them having a large dent made in their fortunes but can't find anything to back it up but there were definitely non football money problems whilst they were still here. All I can remember in terms of detail thereof, was that one of them made a mint importing fruit and veg into Iceland (a seriously big operation for a relatively small company) and the other was an investor, but I wouldn't like to state it as fact. It was the chairman Gislason who was the fruit and veg man. I think it was his business that had problems. Don't get me wrong I was glad when they sold out but I don't remember their time as all bad, initially they were a breathe of fresh air after Coates Mk1 had clung to control despite being fairly awful at trying to run the club in a sustainable manner. Deja vu, great and commendable theory but the reality is it's a bit shit.
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Post by skip on Nov 23, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
I was so happy Coates Mk.I was gone, I went to Iceland to get pissed to celebrate.
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Post by samba :) on Nov 23, 2017 16:55:17 GMT
I was so happy Coates Mk.I was gone, I went to Iceland to get pissed to celebrate. do they do beer in iceland, never been in
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Post by skip on Nov 23, 2017 16:57:02 GMT
I was so happy Coates Mk.I was gone, I went to Iceland to get pissed to celebrate. do they do beer in iceland, never been in Yes they do. It tends to get hidden behind the duvets and the Belgian chocolates.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2017 21:13:58 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 23, 2017 21:20:09 GMT
He's waiting for the call from PC
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 23, 2017 21:27:10 GMT
All I can remember in terms of detail thereof, was that one of them made a mint importing fruit and veg into Iceland (a seriously big operation for a relatively small company) and the other was an investor, but I wouldn't like to state it as fact. It was the chairman Gislason who was the fruit and veg man. I think it was his business that had problems. Don't get me wrong I was glad when they sold out but I don't remember their time as all bad, initially they were a breathe of fresh air after Coates Mk1 had clung to control despite being fairly awful at trying to run the club in a sustainable manner. Deja vu, great and commendable theory but the reality is it's a bit shit. ITV Digital going bust seemed to kick them in the balls but their personal wealth remained unaffected whilst at Stoke.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 23, 2017 21:48:18 GMT
I would take Bilic in a heartbeat. Given a good board behind him I think he would do well and would be a good 'fit'
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 23, 2017 21:51:23 GMT
I would take Bilic in a heartbeat. Given a good board behind him I think he would do well and would be a good 'fit' Would he be much different to what we’ve got? The problems West Ham has we’re basically worse versions of the ones we’ve got. Could organise a defence, no discernible tactical identity, atrocious recruitment.
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2017 22:09:36 GMT
Bilic!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 23, 2017 22:16:24 GMT
How the fuck does Alan Pardew (horrible cunt) keep getting considered for jobs? He's now odds on favourites for the WBA job. Gouranga.
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Post by rawli on Nov 24, 2017 7:05:22 GMT
3 wins out of 28 at West Brom suggests otherwise. You have to say it's an odd one. One suspicion I have is that West Brom hit 40 points very quickly last season and, as usual, Tony began to worry about expectations and threw the towel in early and the team has never really recovered. I don't think you could really say that Pulis deliberately throws games - except for Valencia - but he does have a habit of trying to manufacture certain types of games, and I think it's bitten him on the arse this time. I still haven't recovered from a Boxing Day 0-0 against Preston at home in 2004. It was during one of his regular spats with club owners that are also the catalyst for him trying to prove his point on the pitch and fuck the people who pay to watch. It's the game I always bring to mind when somebody suggests that they're surprised at the way he behaves sometimes. There were two away teams on the pitch that day and it's not the only time I've seen him do that. What a day that was. Got there late due to smash on MY. Witnessed the worst game I've ever seen while freezing my bollocks off as it was coldest game I've been to at Brit. All I can see when I think of that game is grey.
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Post by greyman on Nov 24, 2017 11:06:16 GMT
You have to say it's an odd one. One suspicion I have is that West Brom hit 40 points very quickly last season and, as usual, Tony began to worry about expectations and threw the towel in early and the team has never really recovered. I don't think you could really say that Pulis deliberately throws games - except for Valencia - but he does have a habit of trying to manufacture certain types of games, and I think it's bitten him on the arse this time. I still haven't recovered from a Boxing Day 0-0 against Preston at home in 2004. It was during one of his regular spats with club owners that are also the catalyst for him trying to prove his point on the pitch and fuck the people who pay to watch. It's the game I always bring to mind when somebody suggests that they're surprised at the way he behaves sometimes. There were two away teams on the pitch that day and it's not the only time I've seen him do that. What a day that was. Got there late due to smash on MY. Witnessed the worst game I've ever seen while freezing my bollocks off as it was coldest game I've been to at Brit. All I can see when I think of that game is grey. I think even the word grey doesn't do it justice. I just wish that Preston had prior notice of Pulis's intent so at least one of the teams had tried to win the game. It was genuinely disgraceful.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2017 11:44:23 GMT
You have to say it's an odd one. One suspicion I have is that West Brom hit 40 points very quickly last season and, as usual, Tony began to worry about expectations and threw the towel in early and the team has never really recovered. I don't think you could really say that Pulis deliberately throws games - except for Valencia - but he does have a habit of trying to manufacture certain types of games, and I think it's bitten him on the arse this time. I still haven't recovered from a Boxing Day 0-0 against Preston at home in 2004. It was during one of his regular spats with club owners that are also the catalyst for him trying to prove his point on the pitch and fuck the people who pay to watch. It's the game I always bring to mind when somebody suggests that they're surprised at the way he behaves sometimes. There were two away teams on the pitch that day and it's not the only time I've seen him do that. What a day that was. Got there late due to smash on MY. Witnessed the worst game I've ever seen while freezing my bollocks off as it was coldest game I've been to at Brit. All I can see when I think of that game is grey. Weren't Preston delayed for the game as well and only got there at half two or summat?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2017 11:50:23 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 24, 2017 11:56:34 GMT
He didn't tell them to sit back, they just did.
It's the way he tells them.
For what it's worth the previous year's Boxing Day game with Preston, with a 94th minute Eustace penalty and Craig Brown having an epic tantrum, was enormous fun.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 24, 2017 11:58:58 GMT
"But we got uptight as the game went on and then the players began to sit back. "I do not tell them to do that, it just happened.
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 24, 2017 12:17:20 GMT
You have to say it's an odd one. One suspicion I have is that West Brom hit 40 points very quickly last season and, as usual, Tony began to worry about expectations and threw the towel in early and the team has never really recovered. I don't think you could really say that Pulis deliberately throws games - except for Valencia - but he does have a habit of trying to manufacture certain types of games, and I think it's bitten him on the arse this time. I still haven't recovered from a Boxing Day 0-0 against Preston at home in 2004. It was during one of his regular spats with club owners that are also the catalyst for him trying to prove his point on the pitch and fuck the people who pay to watch. It's the game I always bring to mind when somebody suggests that they're surprised at the way he behaves sometimes. There were two away teams on the pitch that day and it's not the only time I've seen him do that. What a day that was. Got there late due to smash on MY. Witnessed the worst game I've ever seen while freezing my bollocks off as it was coldest game I've been to at Brit. All I can see when I think of that game is grey. I was absolutely leathered that day, but to this day it still remains the only game I've ever fallen asleep at.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2017 12:22:49 GMT
What a day that was. Got there late due to smash on MY. Witnessed the worst game I've ever seen while freezing my bollocks off as it was coldest game I've been to at Brit. All I can see when I think of that game is grey. I was absolutely leathered that day, but to this day it still remains the only game I've ever fallen asleep at. You must have been pissed if you could sleep through the tortuous cold!
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 24, 2017 12:41:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2017 17:11:11 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 24, 2017 17:27:58 GMT
Little bit of money on Shakespeare
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2017 17:43:31 GMT
"What isn’t up for debate is the way I think about him. I’m firmly in the latter category and can’t speak highly enough of how he treated me and my family when he brought me to Stoke." This can't be right at all, Pulis is an utter cunt without a shred of human decency in his body. I read so on the Oatcake.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 24, 2017 18:00:58 GMT
"What isn’t up for debate is the way I think about him. I’m firmly in the latter category and can’t speak highly enough of how he treated me and my family when he brought me to Stoke." This can't be right at all, Pulis is an utter cunt without a shred of human decency in his body. I read so on the Oatcake. Toxic was always good with players he believed would do a good job for him. I've heard it first hand. However as soon as you were deemed 'not of any use' it was a different story.
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Post by alster on Nov 24, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
"What isn’t up for debate is the way I think about him. I’m firmly in the latter category and can’t speak highly enough of how he treated me and my family when he brought me to Stoke." This can't be right at all, Pulis is an utter cunt without a shred of human decency in his body. I read so on the Oatcake. Toxic was always good with players he believed would do a good job for him. I've heard it first hand. However as soon as you were deemed 'not of any use' it was a different story. Naah he was ok with players who obeyed him. He started his shit with Pennant whilst he was still doing a good job for him.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 24, 2017 18:13:30 GMT
For every Crouch Walters Cresswell etc they was usually a Tuncay, Hoefkens....usually the guys with long hair TP was always jealous of flowing locks
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