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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 30, 2017 8:55:22 GMT
To be honest I'd say anyone below 6th could if they got in a rut , not a great dealt choose between any of the teams, the ones with better defences and a few goals should be ok , at the moment Everton look poor but a decent manager should settle them and they have the money to spend in January
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2017 9:19:46 GMT
Its too early to say even Crystal Palace are going down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 9:25:11 GMT
'Can Everton go down?' - well, yes, of course they can. Will they? There's certainly enough talent in that squad to pull them clear of danger but that's not how sport works; confidence, hard work and form wins out over talent near enough every time. You'd imagine if they can get a run together then they'll be ok, but if they're still knocking around the bottom 5 come the end of January, then I'd possibly be putting a sneaky tenner on them for the trapdoor.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 30, 2017 9:35:12 GMT
They've probably got a few knicker wetters hysterically claiming they are doomed, after ten games. If they haven't they are welcome to some of ours off here....
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Post by bloody56 on Oct 30, 2017 10:35:04 GMT
No one has 40 points yet. Anyone of twenty clubs can go down. As Stoke City fans we should do our bit and always get behind the team. I'm not interested in any other team, although I do have a list of teams I would preferred relegated. Everton are not on the list, but the other Liverpool team is. Arsenal tops the list.
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Post by mrred on Oct 30, 2017 11:37:17 GMT
They can (just as we can). But they won't. Their next management appointment is absolutely crucial though.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 30, 2017 11:53:46 GMT
They can (just as we can). But they won't. Their next management appointment is absolutely crucial though. Big Sam according to some media this morning. That will sort em out for sure .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 11:58:42 GMT
They can (just as we can). But they won't. Their next management appointment is absolutely crucial though. Big Sam according to some media this morning. That will sort em out for sure . I'm pretty sure that Everton fans will feel that big Sam or dyche are not good enough for their club.
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Post by professorplump on Oct 30, 2017 14:09:56 GMT
I would love to see Everton relegated but they will spend heavily in the January window so should be safe. Having said that, they need to spend more wisely than they did in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:17:45 GMT
Big Sam according to some media this morning. That will sort em out for sure . I'm pretty sure that Everton fans will feel that big Sam or dyche are not good enough for their club. 100% right they won't not sure if they would be good enough for us 🤔
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 15:14:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure that Everton fans will feel that big Sam or dyche are not good enough for their club. 100% right they won't not sure if they would be good enough for us 🤔 Big Sam has proven he can produce good teams capable of playing good football. Were Hughes to leave, I'd be happy enough with him here. Dyche is more tony pulis than Tony pulis himself and I wouldn't welcome him to stoke at all.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 15:25:14 GMT
100% right they won't not sure if they would be good enough for us 🤔 Dyche is more tony pulis than Tony pulis himself and I wouldn't welcome him to stoke at all. Yet Burnley have higher possession stats than us this season so far.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2017 15:38:16 GMT
Didn't Newcastle spend some insane amount in the January window only to get relegated (2016)?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 15:41:52 GMT
Dyche is more tony pulis than Tony pulis himself and I wouldn't welcome him to stoke at all. Yet Burnley have higher possession stats than us this season so far. Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 15:46:01 GMT
Yet Burnley have higher possession stats than us this season so far. Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down. Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:00:43 GMT
Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down. Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? If we played like that for 38 games per season, every season, with the sole objective of getting 40 points each year I'd hate it. In isolation, Saturday was brilliant and I'm not daft enough to think we don't need a few more away performances like that. When I turn up on Saturday I'll know for certain I'll be watching a team trying to win the game by causing the opposition problems. I can normally live with that regardless of the outcome which probably explains why I was far more angry and disappointed after the man city drubbing than I was the Bournemouth defeat. Edit - possession stats are bullshit in my opinion. Our stats were great when Hughes first came but there was no intent to our play and it was as dull as dishwater. Leicester Stats, when winning the league, were abysmal but they caused every team they played lots and lots of problems and it was good to watch as was pulisball when played with no fear. Our defeat to spurs in the cup final season is one of the best games I've seen us involved in.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 30, 2017 16:07:13 GMT
Everton have a weird squad with no real striker, but there will be a few teams worse than them in May.
Palace obviously and Swansea are in real trouble, and despite making good starts it's hard to see Brighton and Huddersfield not fighting for their lives. 3 from those 4 for the drop? West Brom and Burnley will be OK, and the rest of us will be fighting to finish as close to 6th as we can.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 16:09:11 GMT
Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? If we played like that for 38 games per season, every season, with the sole objective of getting 40 points each year I'd hate it. In isolation, Saturday was brilliant and I'm not daft enough to think we don't need a few more away performances like that. When I turn up on Saturday I'll know for certain I'll be watching a team trying to win the game by causing the opposition problems. I can normally live with that regardless of the outcome which probably explains why I was far more angry and disappointed after the man city drubbing than I was the Bournemouth defeat. Edit - possession stats are bullshit in my opinion. Our stats were great when Hughes first came but there was no intent to our play and it was as dull as dishwater. Leicester Stats, when winning the league, were abysmal but they caused every team they played lots and lots of problems and it was good to watch as was pulisball when played with no fear. Our defeat to spurs in the cup final season is one of the best games I've seen us involved in. So you think that its a coincidence that the only team with worse possession stats than us is West Brom and the team directly above us is Burnley?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:13:28 GMT
Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down. Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? I should also add that our performance on Saturday actually saw us start the game with what looked like an intent to win it. We were playing positively. The second half was backs to the wall for sure but it wasn't the performance I used to detest...namely arrive for a 0-0 and see if you can fluke one from any kind of attack. Whatever accusations can be put Hughes way, I don't think that is one of them.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 30, 2017 16:14:04 GMT
Everton have a weird squad with no real striker, but there will be a few teams worse than them in May. Palace obviously and Swansea are in real trouble, and despite making good starts it's hard to see Brighton and Huddersfield not fighting for their lives. 3 from those 4 for the drop? West Brom and Burnley will be OK, and the rest of us will be fighting to finish as close to 6th as we can. Agree. I thought Koeman and Walsh would be a dream team to maximize the quality in their Academy. Seems like Rooney is equally a curse and a blessing.. he is scoring. Interesting to see how the Europa affects them. I hope Bournemouth drop, cynical scourge on nogger. Blatant, seems like the media and officials are complicit too..
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:17:16 GMT
If we played like that for 38 games per season, every season, with the sole objective of getting 40 points each year I'd hate it. In isolation, Saturday was brilliant and I'm not daft enough to think we don't need a few more away performances like that. When I turn up on Saturday I'll know for certain I'll be watching a team trying to win the game by causing the opposition problems. I can normally live with that regardless of the outcome which probably explains why I was far more angry and disappointed after the man city drubbing than I was the Bournemouth defeat. Edit - possession stats are bullshit in my opinion. Our stats were great when Hughes first came but there was no intent to our play and it was as dull as dishwater. Leicester Stats, when winning the league, were abysmal but they caused every team they played lots and lots of problems and it was good to watch as was pulisball when played with no fear. Our defeat to spurs in the cup final season is one of the best games I've seen us involved in. So you think that its a coincidence that the only team with worse possession stats than us is West Brom and the team directly above us is Burnley? Yes it's coincidence. We've had a tough start and at times haven't been playing very well. We don't deliberately set out to kill games and not play with any positive intent. I don't think the same can be said of Burnley and wba.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 16:26:14 GMT
So you think that its a coincidence that the only team with worse possession stats than us is West Brom and the team directly above us is Burnley? Yes it's coincidence. We've had a tough start and at times haven't been playing very well. We don't deliberately set out to kill games and not play with any positive intent. I don't think the same can be said of Burnley and wba. Burnley only scored two less goals than us last season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:34:53 GMT
Yes it's coincidence. We've had a tough start and at times haven't been playing very well. We don't deliberately set out to kill games and not play with any positive intent. I don't think the same can be said of Burnley and wba. Burnley only scored two less goals than us last season. We were toss though weren't We? If we are holding Burnley up as the shining light that we should follow, I'll go and watch Bradford city instead.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 16:38:17 GMT
Burnley only scored two less goals than us last season. We were toss though weren't We? If we are holding Burnley up as the shining light that we should follow, I'll go and watch Bradford city instead. I'm not holding them up as anything, however there is a fair bit of evidence to suggest that Stoke and Burnley aren't as different as you make out.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:39:51 GMT
Yes it's coincidence. We've had a tough start and at times haven't been playing very well. We don't deliberately set out to kill games and not play with any positive intent. I don't think the same can be said of Burnley and wba. Burnley only scored two less goals than us last season. We finished higher, accrued 4 more points and were 1 goal better off in terms of goal difference. Just imagine how shit they must have been.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2017 16:42:35 GMT
We were toss though weren't We? If we are holding Burnley up as the shining light that we should follow, I'll go and watch Bradford city instead. I'm not holding them up as anything, however there is a fair bit of evidence to suggest that Stoke and Burnley aren't as different as you make out. Different forms of crap. If we set out to destroy games from the start under Hughes I'd want him gone immediately. We have the polar opposite approach to achieve a similar end result.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Oct 30, 2017 17:26:31 GMT
Didn't we have the same debate about Newcastle and Villa?
The big six won't go down, sure. But beyond that, don't be too certain. Any three from 14.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2017 17:32:03 GMT
Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down. Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? They've also played the most long balls of anybody.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2017 17:43:10 GMT
Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? They've also played the most long balls of anybody. Thought that was West Ham and Brighton? Stoke, West Brom and Burnley are all in the bottom four for total passes made.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 30, 2017 17:48:14 GMT
Possession stats mean nothing. Stats themselves are overrated regardless of what they are regarding. Burnley excel in not crossing the half way line very often regardless of the opposition. They are doing great for now but it won't last. No matter how shit we may or may not be I wouldn't want to go back to watching the fullerless shite the likes of dyche and pulis call football. I would genuinely rather go down. Possession stats are quite revealing in terms of approach I think. Did you enjoy how we played on Saturday, dave? I hope we do what we did on Saturday in every away game this season. We are in for a scrap having not invested in the right players. I want us to focus on clean sheets.
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