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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 10, 2017 14:14:56 GMT
"Legend" is overused. Whelan was not a Stoke City Legend at all. Yes but why did you feel the need to have a pop at Whelan on a Fletcher thread? I was being honest, bringing in Fletcher really highlights how bad we needed to replace Whelan.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 10, 2017 14:18:59 GMT
Yes but why did you feel the need to have a pop at Whelan on a Fletcher thread? I was being honest, bringing in Fletcher really highlights how bad we needed to replace Whelan. I agree that Fletcher is a far superior player to Whelan but I wouldn't denigrate what Whelan did for Stoke down through the years riccy
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Post by loosestools on Sept 10, 2017 14:30:33 GMT
Fletcher is the bargain of the season, mature and a leader and organiser, its blatantly clear for all to see.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 10, 2017 15:14:57 GMT
We should be buying a young player or two now in that position who can learn from him.
I’d really like to see him coaching here when he finishes playing
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 10, 2017 15:43:39 GMT
No it doesn't. Fletcher is a significant upgrade on Glen. Who was an average footballer who made the most of his limited ability with heart, dedication and focus. You don't need to slag a Stoke legend to recognise the quality of Fletcher. Unless you're a bit of an arse. So, carry on. "Legend" is overused. Whelan was not a Stoke City Legend at all. Debatable. He definitely wasn't "poor".
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 10, 2017 15:53:06 GMT
When the rest of the team were celebrating our second Fletch and Pieters made a beeline to talk tactics with Hughes. Absolutely focused on doing the job. Brilliant football brain, and equally good distribution to execute stuff. The odd occasion he fucks up, it's a result of trying something risky, generally has the nouse to make amends, so it hasn't been costly. Great coup getting him for nowt too.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 10, 2017 16:14:22 GMT
Best signing of the window and he's free
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Post by jeycov on Sept 10, 2017 16:20:20 GMT
Best signing of the window and he's free Showing that paying a significant transfer fee isn't always necessary Imbula was an expensive misjudgement but we really have brought in some very good players over the last 3 seasons- well done MH and the transfer team
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Post by kiwistokie on Sept 10, 2017 21:30:33 GMT
Also he is the right person to be directing us on the pitch as he is able to talk to everyone out there. A leader in more ways than one
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Post by scfccat on Sept 10, 2017 21:52:03 GMT
Simply immense.
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Post by Widget123 on Sept 10, 2017 22:11:47 GMT
When the rest of the team were celebrating our second Fletch and Pieters made a beeline to talk tactics with Hughes. I assumed that was a pisstake of the man utd players doing the same thing trying to run down the clock with Mourinho following their second goal which the ref noticed but did nothing about.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 10, 2017 23:08:16 GMT
When the rest of the team were celebrating our second Fletch and Pieters made a beeline to talk tactics with Hughes. I assumed that was a pisstake of the man utd players doing the same thing trying to run down the clock with Mourinho following their second goal which the ref noticed but did nothing about. If that's the case it makes it even better. I didn't pick up on the nuance of that.
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Post by thegift on Sept 10, 2017 23:14:33 GMT
Shows how poor Whelan was really. Fletcher is a really talented footballer. No it doesn't. Fletcher is a significant upgrade on Glen. Who was an average footballer who made the most of his limited ability with heart, dedication and focus. You don't need to slag a Stoke legend to recognise the quality of Fletcher. Unless you're a bit of an arse. So, carry on. Fletcher is absolute quality, but whelan was dog shit.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Sept 11, 2017 7:09:32 GMT
Genuinely can't understand why they weren't willing to offer him a deal good enough to make him stay. Absolutely bizarre for me.
Still, their loss and our gain.
Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 11, 2017 7:57:01 GMT
No it doesn't. Fletcher is a significant upgrade on Glen. Who was an average footballer who made the most of his limited ability with heart, dedication and focus. You don't need to slag a Stoke legend to recognise the quality of Fletcher. Unless you're a bit of an arse. So, carry on. Fletcher is absolute quality, but whelan was dog shit. Dog shit who helped us get into the Premier League for the first time ever. Helped us stay there against all odds and expectations. Helped us establish ourselves as top flight stalwarts. Helped us to our first ever FA cup final. Helped us enjoy a run in a European competition for the first time in living memory. Stepped up when needed time and time again as more talented players left, let us down or simply didn't have the bottle and bollocks Whelan made his hallmark. The only dog shit I can see is the stuff pouring out of your keyboard.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 11, 2017 8:08:38 GMT
I am a Whelan fan and urged everyone to vote for him as POTS in Hughes' first season, but recognised he was one of the reasons we have struggled against quality sides the last 2 seasons.
The change to Fletcher has been a transformation. He has made us a quality side. I hope he goes on for a few more seasons and help us win something and add it to the long list of things he has already won.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 8:28:48 GMT
No it doesn't. Fletcher is a significant upgrade on Glen. Who was an average footballer who made the most of his limited ability with heart, dedication and focus. You don't need to slag a Stoke legend to recognise the quality of Fletcher. Unless you're a bit of an arse. So, carry on. Fletcher is absolute quality, but whelan was dog shit. Absolutely no need to be slagging Whelan off like that, some people have no class.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 11, 2017 8:59:56 GMT
NET SPEND. For Gods sake.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 11, 2017 9:00:02 GMT
Genuinely can't understand why they weren't willing to offer him a deal good enough to make him stay. Absolutely bizarre for me. Still, their loss and our gain. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards He was interviewed for the match program and while not overtly saying it, it seems like he felt constrained and not allowed to play to his strengths under Pulis. Simply an inspired signing, we got a skilllfull playmaker and leader for FREE!
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Post by scfccat on Sept 11, 2017 9:03:17 GMT
Whelan will go down as a stoke city hero for me, he's a part of the dream we are still living today in the Prem but his time had come to move on. Joining a great club like Aston Villa he deserved and not say a Brentford or Barnsley no disrespect.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 11, 2017 9:42:14 GMT
Genuinely can't understand why they weren't willing to offer him a deal good enough to make him stay. Absolutely bizarre for me. Still, their loss and our gain. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards He was interviewed for the match program and while not overtly saying it, it seems like he felt constrained and not allowed to play to his strengths under Pulis. Simply an inspired signing, we got a skilllfull playmaker and leader for FREE! I am trying not to get carried away but the bloke oozes class. He's intelligent, calm, assured and has immense presence. He could well be the most inspired signing since Fuller and Ryan.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 11, 2017 10:14:25 GMT
I hold my hands up. I was definitely anti-Fletcher when we first moved for him. An ageing centre midfielder (to add to the others) just didn't feel like what we needed. Wow. Just how much has he proved me wrong?
His pass for our first goal was nothing short of sensational and he has just been controlling the games. He looks a far better player than at West Brom and I think that comes down to our way of playing, which is far more to his abilities than West Brom's.
Hope he can keep this up for at least another few years. He's never been the quickest player.... all about intelligence and players like that can play till they're 38+ (see Pirlo etc)
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Post by reddipotter on Sept 11, 2017 10:59:49 GMT
Fletcher is one of several payers we have who are suited by our wingback system. It means that he can stay central which reduces his workload and enables him to find time and space to hit those long passes. Under our previous defensive formation, Whelan had to cover the whole line and was often seen helping out the fullbacks.
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Post by thanksjon on Sept 11, 2017 15:48:17 GMT
I like Fletcher and I thought Whelan was a hero...is that allowed on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:25:26 GMT
Darren, Darren, Darren Darren Darren. To the pink panther theme!
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Post by gregstokie on Sept 11, 2017 16:49:26 GMT
Ok we get it. Darren Fletcher thread hello, to discuss how great he has played so far this season. Yes he is better than Whelan (in my and many opinion) and worth pointing out that we are enjoying the fact he has helped upgrade our midfield. But to be pedantic should I ruin this thread by pointing out that Messi is far better than Fletcher and in comparison Fletcher is shit or would that be a bit random and pointless like a majority of the Whelan slating posts about a player who in fairness to him isn't 'as good' as Fletcher (to many) but has been a great servant to the club and doesn't deserve those comments.
I've left plenty of grammatical errors and very long sentences for those of you who would like to critique xx
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Sept 11, 2017 17:02:06 GMT
Never really rated him at the shit but i guess that just shows how quality players can look average when surrounded by excellent players.
What bits i saw of him at west brom i thought he was very good.
But this season so far hes been nothing short of magnificent. Long may it continue.
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Post by thegift on Sept 11, 2017 17:20:06 GMT
Fletcher is absolute quality, but whelan was dog shit. Absolutely no need to be slagging Whelan off like that, some people have no class. The guy plays 2 yard passes backwards for 90 minutes. Stole a living.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 11, 2017 17:23:56 GMT
Is ILoveGlennWhelan on the Villa board now? Thatt's possibly the biggest downside of the move.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Sept 11, 2017 17:26:45 GMT
Absolutely no need to be slagging Whelan off like that, some people have no class. The guy plays 2 yard passes backwards for 90 minutes. Stole a living. So fucking what? Go and dredge up an old whelan thread if you feel that strongly about him.
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