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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 1, 2017 7:15:54 GMT
Wimmer has said he's perfectly comfortable playing left wing back. When? I've seen him say left back but not LWB. I can't remember where, but he did say in an interview (in print) this week that he could play "left back or even left wing back" and he also confirmed that he was happy to play on either side as a centre back.
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Post by owdestokie on Sept 1, 2017 7:22:17 GMT
Does not matter who you buy and sell, the main point is the way we play the game. People want another striker, yet we only play one up front, never provide enough chances for them to score (the stats prove it). I blame modern day football and we have fallen for the same trap like other teams. This passing the ball around the back, making no advances forward until we either get under pressure or become lost in what we are trying to achieve. Either way we more often than not, we give the ball away. Also, since when has the goalkeeper become the best passing midfield player on the pitch, every team does the same at the back - pass, pass, pass, under pressure, pass to the goalkeeper and humph big boot up field (oh the joys of modern day football). Bring back the 4-4-2 and then we can talk about getting strikers in the game. There are far too many footballers in the shop window these days and the way the modern game is played it suits their needs. They all pass the ball until the final third, its then about scoring the spectacular goal and "Hey look how good I am" come and pay me ridiculous money because I can score the odd great goal. Cant wait for a super league and we can get back to a basic, and simple game which is not full of over thinking garbage like now. We cant match the big clubs playing the way we do and never will, unless we have some billionaire take over (which is something I don't want). 10 - 10 for the way the game is played 0 - 10 for not addressing the biggest error in football.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2017 7:30:47 GMT
Its a really good window for me. We got rid of lots of shit, had the much needed clear out, freshened the place up, reduced the average age of the squad and added some height, steel and pace to the side. We've left sufficient room for youngsters to flourish should they prove themselves worthy of an opportunity, we've got one of the best keepers in the country fully fit and our captain signed a new long term contract. If jesie can rediscover his mojo, we could be in for a very exciting first half of the season and put ourselves into a good position to supplement the squad come January. Happy days for me.
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Post by Northy on Sept 1, 2017 7:58:21 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. defence wasn't our biggest problem, wow ? I must have been dreaming about the 6 or 7 times we got 4 stuffed past us last season and the highest number of goals conceded in a season since we got promoted
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Post by Northy on Sept 1, 2017 8:01:26 GMT
Its a really good window for me. We got rid of lots of shit, had the much needed clear out, freshened the place up, reduced the average age of the squad and added some height, steel and pace to the side. We've left sufficient room for youngsters to flourish should they prove themselves worthy of an opportunity, we've got one of the best keepers in the country fully fit and our captain signed a new long term contract. If jesie can rediscover his mojo, we could be in for a very exciting first half of the season and put ourselves into a good position to supplement the squad come January. Happy days for me. Same here for me, I'm going for an 8 Lets hope LMH can use the players to the best of their abilities now.
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Post by stokebloke on Sept 1, 2017 8:21:57 GMT
7..just feel we still lack goals in the squad.
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Post by Godo on Sept 1, 2017 8:24:18 GMT
Yes 6 out of 10 a good assessment. Have more faith that current system and starting 11 will witness fewer 4 goal drubbings but squad thin on quality and an injury to Fletcher or Allen and it could be a long run up to Christmas. Still not sure about wing back options but maybe Diouf can do a Moses and become an effective wing back. Not sure why we renewed Johnson contract if he can't even get selected ahead of Cameron in that position. Loans papering over cracks that still need fixing.
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Post by foster on Sept 1, 2017 8:30:13 GMT
7
Fine with all the Ins
Fine with all the outs except Arnie, but these things happen.
Not yet convinced of Eric.
Would have liked a big name offensive player.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 1, 2017 8:36:27 GMT
Despite the blow of losing Arnie I think we look much stronger than we did last season. We've seriously strengthened the defence which should mean that we're really competitive against anyone and hopefully a lot less games where we concede 4 goals.
I'd have liked to have seen someone like Janssen come in to give us a different option but we've got enough to get through to January in a decent position and we've kept some of our powder dry.
It's 8/10 for me.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 1, 2017 8:42:41 GMT
Its a really good window for me. We got rid of lots of shit, had the much needed clear out, freshened the place up, reduced the average age of the squad and added some height, steel and pace to the side. We've left sufficient room for youngsters to flourish should they prove themselves worthy of an opportunity, we've got one of the best keepers in the country fully fit and our captain signed a new long term contract. If jesie can rediscover his mojo, we could be in for a very exciting first half of the season and put ourselves into a good position to supplement the squad come January. Happy days for me. That's pretty much how I feel Dave. Exciting times ahead. Take exception to "lots of shit" - Jon Boy and Glenn rarely let us down (same for Bards), and like his exit or not, Arnie was, at times, a joy to watch. Keeping Jack, Shaq and extending Ryan's contract are all plusses, Fletch and Zouma for loans and wages could be the best two pieces of business of any club in this summer. Both look superb so far. The interesting scenario is up front. Not totally convinced yet about Max in his central role and would love to see Saido get a run in a fluid front 3. Jese's running with and without the ball against Arsenal looked fantastic. When he gets fully fit we could have a real gem. I think his movement and intelligence could cause Manchester United some problems on the break. With our new solidity, if we can stay in games Shaq has the ability to be a match winner. I'm OK with centre mid and wingbacks. Geoff is solid, if Diouffy can stay on his feet, his pace, energy and attacking threat are an asset, and Ramadan offers another attacking option, Eric has started the season really well and Josh Tymon looks a great prospect. At least 8 out of 10 for me. Really looking forward to this season. MH deserves great credit for completely re-shaping the team and introducing a new system in a short space of time.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 1, 2017 8:55:04 GMT
5 for me. I said on another thread recently that we didn't have the squad to play ANY system and I think that still holds true.
I think we'll be hard to beat, which is good, but we could have been much better with the right signings. Our midfield needed strengthening even more, we sold a perfectly good striker and bought no wing backs.
We still look blunt up front, and that is unforgivable. It's always 'next window" for us. Why wait?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2017 8:59:22 GMT
5 for me. I said on another thread recently that we didn't have the squad to play ANY system and I think that still holds true. I think we'll be hard to beat, which is good, but we could have been much better with the right signings. Our midfield needed strengthening even more, we sold a perfectly good striker and bought no wing backs. We still look blunt up front, and that is unforgivable. It's always 'next window" for us. Why wait? Steak and Chips tomorrow beans on toast for now.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 1, 2017 9:03:57 GMT
5 for me. I said on another thread recently that we didn't have the squad to play ANY system and I think that still holds true. I think we'll be hard to beat, which is good, but we could have been much better with the right signings. Our midfield needed strengthening even more, we sold a perfectly good striker and bought no wing backs. We still look blunt up front, and that is unforgivable. It's always 'next window" for us. Why wait? Steak and Chips tomorrow beans on toast for now. It isn't all bad, Wimmer looks a good signing and Jese looks mustard. It's just that we could have strengthened the entire squad and I'm baffled as to why we haven't. We are fucking loaded.
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Post by bhp on Sept 1, 2017 9:07:09 GMT
Fuck et I'm going for 8.
Signed 3 excellent defenders. Which we needed, with a good defence you're more likely to achieve objectives than having a good attack. Overall every signing has been a good one.
Tymon, free and big potential. Fletcher, free and a massive upgrade on Whelan. BMI, quality player and a snip at 7m. Wimmer, quality signing but unsure where that will lead to in terms of team selection and could upset the defensive balance we have. Zouma, shit house, should be in a Chelsea shirt. Jese, exciting signing, risk free, can see it paying off. Choupo, can't go wrong for a free and is an upgrade on Walters.
Don't think I'm missing anyone..
Negatives, could have done with another midfielder although you could look at it with having Allen, Fletcher, Cameron and possibly Zouma as options.
Wing backs not addressed but decent showings by players who've done a shift there already, not much depth on the right. Tymon will replace Pieters if suspended.
And Charlie "fucking" Adam is still here.
Going forward I aren't concerned, Sobhi, Jese, Choupo, Shaqiri and Berahino are good options. The latter hasn't done good but with players playing closer to him it could work in his favour having already registered an assist.
The spine options we have in defence are easily the best of the mid table and below clubs and possibly even challenging some of the top 7 including Arsenal and Liverpool.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 1, 2017 9:08:41 GMT
5
Makes no sense to sell your inform striker ( joselu) and keep your out of form striker ( Berahino)
Should be the other way round surely?
I like the other ins and outs
If we had sold berahino and Kept joselu I would say 7 out of ten
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 9:19:46 GMT
'It's going to be binary football all the way' and 'we are toothless' appear to be the Oatcake flavour of the month. Given we were struggling for goals anyway and there are currently only two spots for creative players it's an understandable sentiment. Still we've showed a lot more spirit and look more fluid so far than we did for much of the prior two seasons. If we can find a way to play how we did against Rochdale vs someone half decent we'll all be delighted. I wasn't really commenting on the state of the team, it's just funny how posters cling on to the same phrases.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 1, 2017 9:28:52 GMT
-17,000,000,000.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 9:35:05 GMT
6. Still will not push on far enough for me!
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 1, 2017 10:09:15 GMT
1 Jack Butland
3 Erik Pieters
4 Joe Allen
5 Kevin Wimmer
6 Kurt Zouma
7 Stephen Ireland - injured
8 Glen Johnson
9 Saido Berahino
10 Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting
11 Jesé
12 Josh Tymon - kid
14 Ibrahim Afellay – injured?
15 Bruno Martins Indi
16 Charlie Adam
17 Ryan Shawcross
18 Mame Biram Diouf
20 Geoff Cameron
22 Xherdan Shaqiri
24 Darren Fletcher
25 Peter Crouch
28 Julien Ngoy - kid
29 Jakob Haugaard
31 Thibaud Verlinden- kid
32 Ramadan Sobhi
33 Lee Grant
So, that's a Premier League squad of 20, with 2 long-term injured and 3 more ‘kids’. Is that correct? That’s doesn’t make it feel like a good transfer window?
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 1, 2017 10:36:48 GMT
A solid 7 from me. Major improvements defensively but yet to be seen how we solve the poor return on goals scored.
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Post by stokiemarc on Sept 1, 2017 10:46:09 GMT
6 for me but that will change to a 7.5 IF he is willing to use our youngsters this season (Ngoy, Verlinden, Tymon and Edwards) although I'm not convinced he will.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 1, 2017 10:56:24 GMT
6/10
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 1, 2017 13:30:56 GMT
I think you make some good points. Most decent wing backs are converted attackers, not traditional defenders. That's why Afellay, when he comes back from injury might be worth a shot, in addition to providing cover in midfield and as a wide attacker. 'Most decent wing backs are converted attackers'. Beyond Moses, who are you referring to mate? As far as I can see, the majority of the best ones in the league are attack-minded full backs pushed forward. Afellay doesn't have the pace anymore and it's a role that requires bags of it and bags of energy. He's a wise old head whose main strength is being composed and slowing things down when they need slowing down, using his brain in the middle of the park. well, there's Moses, Alonso, ox chamerblain, diouf, elmohamady, Kuyt, Valencia, deandre yedlin, Demarcus Beasley, and I'm sure there's more, but that's just from memory. Afellay has lost most of his running speed, but I think he could do a job there in a pinch.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 1, 2017 13:43:13 GMT
'Most decent wing backs are converted attackers'. Beyond Moses, who are you referring to mate? As far as I can see, the majority of the best ones in the league are attack-minded full backs pushed forward. Afellay doesn't have the pace anymore and it's a role that requires bags of it and bags of energy. He's a wise old head whose main strength is being composed and slowing things down when they need slowing down, using his brain in the middle of the park. well, there's Moses, Alonso, ox chamerblain, diouf, elmohamady, Kuyt, Valencia, deandre yedlin, Demarcus Beasley, and I'm sure there's more, but that's just from memory. Afellay has lost most of his running speed, but I think he could do a job there in a pinch. Of those, Alonso is a full back. Diouf isn't 'a decent wing back', he's a striker doing a job there. Kuyt isn't a wing back, he's a striker who played out wide. Elmo, Yedlin and Beasley have all been found lacking at this level. I'll give you Moses, Valencia, and at an absolute push Oxlade-Chamberlain, even though he's just turned down a move to the champions because he doesn't want to play there.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 1, 2017 14:00:52 GMT
well, there's Moses, Alonso, ox chamerblain, diouf, elmohamady, Kuyt, Valencia, deandre yedlin, Demarcus Beasley, and I'm sure there's more, but that's just from memory. Afellay has lost most of his running speed, but I think he could do a job there in a pinch. Of those, Alonso is a full back. Diouf isn't 'a decent wing back', he's a striker doing a job there. Kuyt isn't a wing back, he's a striker who played out wide. Elmo, Yedlin and Beasley have all been found lacking at this level. I'll give you Moses, Valencia, and at an absolute push Oxlade-Chamberlain, even though he's just turned down a move to the champions because he doesn't want to play there. who are the full backs that have been converted to wing backs that are not lacking at this level then? Edit: Also Kuyt was a great wing back for Holland. And I forgot Ashley Young.
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Post by gibby1409 on Sept 1, 2017 14:19:27 GMT
A strong 7 imo.
Sorted defence and centre mid out. Can't see us shipping goals like last year.
Would have liked a new right wing back, centre mid and another striker, but nothing looked like a panic buy and we're looking longer term with Wimmer and the young lads pushing through.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 1, 2017 14:19:54 GMT
Of those, Alonso is a full back. Diouf isn't 'a decent wing back', he's a striker doing a job there. Kuyt isn't a wing back, he's a striker who played out wide. Elmo, Yedlin and Beasley have all been found lacking at this level. I'll give you Moses, Valencia, and at an absolute push Oxlade-Chamberlain, even though he's just turned down a move to the champions because he doesn't want to play there. who are the full backs that have been converted to wing backs that are not lacking at this level then? Edit: Also Kuyt was a great wing back for Holland. And I forgot Ashley Young. Ashley Young isn't a good wing back. Van Gaal was only using him as an emergency by the time he left. The full backs converted to wing backs not lacking at this level: Alonso, Walker, Rose, Trippier, Davies, Bellerin, Cresswell, Bertrand, Mendy. I think Shaw and Clyne could make the switch pretty comfortably too. Robertson would be better as a wing back because it doesn't involve quite as much defending.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 14:28:19 GMT
Stephen Ireland. Fairy feet! Sooner he goes the better!
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2017 16:03:56 GMT
Six.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 1, 2017 16:14:37 GMT
Given we were struggling for goals anyway and there are currently only two spots for creative players it's an understandable sentiment. Still we've showed a lot more spirit and look more fluid so far than we did for much of the prior two seasons. If we can find a way to play how we did against Rochdale vs someone half decent we'll all be delighted. I wasn't really commenting on the state of the team, it's just funny how posters cling on to the same phrases. Like catchphrase lemmings.
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