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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2017 18:49:55 GMT
*incomings*
Wimmer Indi Fletcher Tymon Jese (loan) Eric Zouma (loan)
*Outgoings*
Bojan (loan) Imbula (loan) Muni (loan) Wolly Arni Walters Bards Telford (loan) Sweeney (loan) Whelan Joselu
+ got rid of a lot of the old guard. + big reduction in wages. + Fletcher already looks a terrific signing + some great CBs on the books + Zouma looks great could be utilised in CM + Good loans for Telford and Sweeney. + Taken the age of the squad down. + Chance for Sobhi, Edwards, Tymon, Verlinden and NGoy to shine. + Balanced the books. + Indi a snip + Squad has quality over quantity.
- We will still have the same problems at the start of next season with the loss of Zouma and Jese and the return of Imbula and Bojan. - The window has a feeling of trying to do things on the cheap. - Our midfield has no depth. An injury and we're down to Adam and Cameron. - We don't have a goalscorer. - No proper wing backs. - A lot of gambles and risks that might / might not pay off in attack.
So to summarise. I think it'll be binary football all the way. Some great defenders but no real goals in the side. Some good buys but lots of issues (WBs, CFs and CM) not addressed. It's a 6/10 from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:56:07 GMT
*incomings* Wimmer Indi Fletcher Tymon Jese (loan) Eric Zouma (loan) *Outgoings* Bojan (loan) Imbula (loan) Muni (loan) Wolly Arni Walters Bards Telford (loan) Sweeney (loan) Whelan Joselu + got rid of a lot of the old guard. + big reduction in wages. + Fletcher already looks a terrific signing + some great CBs on the books + Zouma looks great could be utilised in CM + Good loans for Telford and Sweeney. + Taken the age of the squad down. + Chance for Sobhi, Edwards, Tymon, Verlinden and NGoy to shine. + Balanced the books. + Indi a snip + Squad has quality over quantity. - We will still have the same problems at the start of next season with the loss of Zouma and Jese and the return of Imbula and Bojan. - The window has a feeling of trying to do things on the cheap. - Our midfield has no depth. An injury and we're down to Adam and Cameron. - We don't have a goalscorer. - No proper wing backs. - A lot of gambles and risks that might / might not pay off in attack. So to summarise. I think it'll be binary football all the way. Some great defenders but no real goals in the side. Some good buys but lots of issues (WBs, CFs and CM) not addressed. It's a 6/10 from me. Decent enough assessment that is. We still have no creativity in midfield and I'm still to be convinced by the signings of Jese and Choupo although it's very early days for those two. We've done some great work at the back but it would have been nice to see a right wing back come in if Hughes is insisting on playing this current system.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 31, 2017 18:56:31 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 31, 2017 18:58:04 GMT
Middle of the road 5....Why we can't still get a striker with prowess is beyond me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2017 18:58:09 GMT
6.5
The deals in and out have been excellent.
But what we haven't done is the issue.
We shouldn't be playing the wing backs we will be. That's just poor.
The depth in midfield looks weak too.
And we only have 3 strikers, which I don't mind but I do mind that one of them is both our best striker and best option at right wing back. So it's 2 really.
Strange window. Decent but could so easily be a lot better.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 31, 2017 18:58:10 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. Defence not our biggest problem? How many 4 goal drubbings was there?
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 31, 2017 18:59:04 GMT
Good assessment, Phil, but 6 is a bit harsh IMHO. Looking at it compared to how we ended last season, and seeing how we have performed so far, I give Les a bit more generous 7.5 for his transfer business and new formation, which must go hand in hand.
You can never get all you want in a window at our level, but we have made progress.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 31, 2017 19:00:45 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. 3????? You're having a laugh? Defence was a huge issue for me when we kept getting thumped last season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2017 19:00:54 GMT
6.
Solid.
Would have got an additional mark for a wing-back, striker and midfielder (actually, maybe 2 for for any bloody wing-back with 2 legs and a pulse)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:01:59 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. 3 is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 31, 2017 19:01:59 GMT
Just posted this on the transfer thread but it's better off in here.
I don't quite know what to make of our business this window. We're slightly stronger than we were last season but we're weaker than we were this morning.
There aren't many teams outside the top six that have as good a pool of defenders as ourselves, that alone should mean we'll be fine this season.
However when you look at the likes of Sanchez, Krychowiak, Romeu and Lemina playing for our rivals, you can't help but feel slightly underwhelmed with Allen, Fletcher and Adam as our midfield options.
Without doubt we'll be one of the lowest scorers in the league again this season, despite having some pretty useful attackers, as teams can easily mark Shaqiri and Jese out of games knowing that we don't carry any real threat from midfield of the wing backs.
Probably give the window 6/10.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2017 19:02:07 GMT
6.5 The deals in and out have been excellent. But what we haven't done is the issue. We shouldn't be playing the wing backs we will be. That's just poor. The depth in midfield looks weak too. And we only have 3 strikers, which I don't mind but I do mind that one of them is both our best striker and best option at right wing back. So it's 2 really. Strange window. Decent but could so easily be a lot better. Yeah, I'd go 6.5 too. The business in and out I'm generally delighted with. The areas we've neglected are a little bit horrifying.
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Post by pavel on Aug 31, 2017 19:03:08 GMT
4, much improved the centre backs but not addressed the wingback situation for Hughes now preferred formation.
Centre midfield lacks depth, drive and creativity.
Should have enough on the flanks but untested.
Strikers, a 37 year old, a man with no confidence and a youngster (who's still injured) - worrying. I don't count Diouf as I don't think he will play him there
Still an unbalanced squad that lacks pace and drive and now flair
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Post by werrington on Aug 31, 2017 19:03:40 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. Fuck me 3....seriously 3 ? It's been 4 years, get over it
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 31, 2017 19:05:52 GMT
Binary! It already is 0-1, 1-0, 1-1 old capped cunt would have been proud. One thing I will say with a keeper of Butlands quality, and a back line or shawcross, Zouma, winner and BMI I can not see many (save for 3/4 teams) scoring against us. Unfortunately we have missed a trick by signing wing backs that can get the ball forward quick enough to cause many problems. Will we be hard to beat? Sure. Will we score many? Not a fucking chance. Binary!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2017 19:05:55 GMT
6. We look solid as anything outside the top 6 (and some in it) with the four centre backs and Fletcher. To so commit to a system that craves wing backs and decide to bodge it on both sides is confusing and as I see it, we have even less goals than last season right now.
Some good work to build on but uninspiring all told and does make a mockery of that ambition video we put out three weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
My feelings are:
- Shifted a lot of deadwood - Much improved central defence - still missing quality wing backs - midfield still needs further improvement - still need a proper striker - Jese and Choupo seem good signings but time will tell - very concerned where the goals will come from
6 to 6.5 /10 IMO
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 31, 2017 19:07:05 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. 3 Really? How can you say the forwards haven't improved?? Did you not see the Arsenal game??? Christ on a skateboard!!! Yes we could do with anorher striker but with Jese & Choppa shirley thats an as good as or better forward line than last season?
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Post by stokie25 on Aug 31, 2017 19:07:56 GMT
Excellent appraisal of the current personnel, Cobs! With any new additions or those recently appointed, we need to accept that they've had no pre season with the squad and it would be unfair to appraise them before Christmas. Thank you for the breakdown
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 31, 2017 19:09:04 GMT
3 - better defence, which wasn't our biggest problem, midfield bit of a muchness, and forwards not improved at all. I'm assuming the deals we were after didn't come off. Can't believe the transfer team believed everything was OK. 3 Really? How can you say the forwards haven't improved?? Did you not see the Arsenal game??? Christ on a skateboard!!! We scored in a rare attack? I hope you are being sarcastic
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Post by geekenny on Aug 31, 2017 19:09:17 GMT
5 Lacking in key areas.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 31, 2017 19:09:42 GMT
3 Really? How can you say the forwards haven't improved?? Did you not see the Arsenal game??? Christ on a skateboard!!! We scored in a rare attack? I hope you are being sarcastic So you agree its a 3?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 31, 2017 19:10:01 GMT
6. Solid. Would have got an additional mark for a wing-back, striker and midfielder (actually, maybe 2 for for any bloody wing-back with 2 legs and a pulse) Wimmer has said he's perfectly comfortable playing left wing back.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 31, 2017 19:10:26 GMT
6. Solid. Would have got an additional mark for a wing-back, striker and midfielder (actually, maybe 2 for for any bloody wing-back with 2 legs and a pulse) Fair assessment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2017 19:12:34 GMT
6. Solid. Would have got an additional mark for a wing-back, striker and midfielder (actually, maybe 2 for for any bloody wing-back with 2 legs and a pulse) Wimmer has said he's perfectly comfortable playing left wing back. Got a link mate?
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Post by E1 Potter on Aug 31, 2017 19:13:06 GMT
Difficult to judge until we see our starting 11 next week. Big question for me is whether Zouma is a realistic prospect in midfield.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2017 19:13:37 GMT
5-average, made some good signings at CB, and potentially a couple of good forward players, a little early to tell and Fletcher looks a solid signing but the most important positions have not been addressed, at least one wing back was a must.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Aug 31, 2017 19:13:40 GMT
As we stand 6/10. The business we have done is good, just not enough of it or in the right areas.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2017 19:14:10 GMT
6. Solid. Would have got an additional mark for a wing-back, striker and midfielder (actually, maybe 2 for for any bloody wing-back with 2 legs and a pulse) Wimmer has said he's perfectly comfortable playing left wing back. When? I've seen him say left back but not LWB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:14:15 GMT
Middle of the road 5....Why we can't still get a striker with prowess is beyond me We are not prepared to pay for one.
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