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Post by stuammo on Aug 19, 2017 21:35:28 GMT
Not wanting to take the shine off an excellent win today and a really good performance from diouf, but think a right wing back is much needed before the window shuts.
Like I say, thought diouf did well today but don't think he's a season long wing back and we need something better and more accustomed there for the long term.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 19, 2017 21:45:39 GMT
fair dos.
I thought Diouf and Arni did alright today, that doesn't mean we shouldn't get better WBs if the opportunity arises but we should remember when they play well when we next lose.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 19, 2017 21:47:40 GMT
fair dos. I thought Diouf and Arni did alright today, that doesn't mean we shouldn't get better WBs if the opportunity arises but we should remember when they play well when we next lose. Arni?
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 19, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
If he was a good defender, he would be perfect but unfortunately he isn't good enough in defensive situations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 21:55:41 GMT
fair dos. I thought Diouf and Arni did alright today, that doesn't mean we shouldn't get better WBs if the opportunity arises but we should remember when they play well when we next lose. Yep arnie looks quality doesn't he...
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 19, 2017 22:12:52 GMT
I have to say that Diouf looked a liability defensively today. Late into tackles.... Not convinced me.
Much rather see him up front
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 22:14:50 GMT
Hughes might stay with Diouf for the opening schedule, which is tough, but once that is over, he should introduce Edwards in the position, maybe for cameos at first, but Edwards should be given a chance before we spend big.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 22:36:37 GMT
Diouf today at times looked exactly like what he actually is ... a centre forward, playing out of position, making rash and ill timed tackles in very dangerous positions.
On a different day, he could have cost us a couple of penalties against this afternoon.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 19, 2017 22:44:39 GMT
Not wishing to be negative (I'm having a nice evening celebrating us actually winning a game in august), but Diouf was a huge weakness that they exploited every time.
In both games so far I'd say he has shown clearly he has no idea how to play that position, but then surely every man and his dog knows that he isn't a defender and never has been.
We must be in for a RWB, that must have become our main priority.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2017 22:48:10 GMT
Could give Geoff a go.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 19, 2017 22:59:49 GMT
Diouf was excellent today. He is growing into the role. As many have mentioned, Arsenal targetted him and he was under pressure more than any other defensive player and apart from the first half penalty shout he didn't do much wrong. You could argue that the reason we won today was the obsession that Arsaenal had with trying to exploit Diouf.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2017 23:03:41 GMT
Diouf was excellent today. He is growing into the role. As many have mentioned, Arsenal targetted him and he was under pressure more than any other defensive player and apart from the first half penalty shout he didn't do much wrong. You could argue that the reason we won today was the obsession that Arsaenal had with trying to exploit Diouf. He does well however he goes to ground instinctively which will cost us. Home games against Burnley,Albion, Brighton e.t.c. he can contribute a lot more. Games v the big boys, especially away,I would play Cameron. Ideally Hughes brings someone in and Johnson gets moved on The option is Edwards but looks a year too soon.loan for him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 23:03:48 GMT
Diouf was excellent today. He is growing into the role. As many have mentioned, Arsenal targetted him and he was under pressure more than any other defensive player and apart from the first half penalty shout he didn't do much wrong. You could argue that the reason we won today was the obsession that Arsaenal had with trying to exploit Diouf. No. Total nonsense. He did plenty wrong. Two penalties conceded by the letter of the law. It's not his fault. He is not a RWB. edited to add: I like Diouf. But he is not a specialist RB or RWB. I feel sorry for him. I really do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 23:10:29 GMT
Can't wait for those crosses with the outside of his foot ...
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 19, 2017 23:12:52 GMT
Agree Bruno in for Geoff, Geoff for Diouf
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2017 23:12:56 GMT
Can't wait for those crosses with the outside of his foot ... There is that. Got everything else to be a good wingback though.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 19, 2017 23:17:01 GMT
Thought Diouf did very well but was supported by the excellent Zouma
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 19, 2017 23:19:42 GMT
Diouf was excellent today. He is growing into the role. As many have mentioned, Arsenal targetted him and he was under pressure more than any other defensive player and apart from the first half penalty shout he didn't do much wrong. You could argue that the reason we won today was the obsession that Arsaenal had with trying to exploit Diouf. No. Total nonsense. He did plenty wrong. Two penalties conceded by the letter of the law. It's not his fault. He is not a RWB. edited to add: I like Diouf. But he is not a specialist RB or RWB. I feel sorry for him. I really do. He didn't concede two penalties though did he. Bellerin is a Spanish international right sided attacking full back, Wenger targetted Diouf as a weakness and put Bellerin on the left and just about every Arsenal attack was built down their left. Cameron, Shawcross and Pieters had comfortable games because everything was directed at Diouf and therefore Zoom. Diouf was all over Bellerin like a rash and apart from that first half penalty shout he pretty much marked him out of the game
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 23:21:12 GMT
Can't wait for those crosses with the outside of his foot ... There is that. Got everything else to be a good wingback though. Yeah, if we ignore that bit. 😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 23:32:44 GMT
No. Total nonsense. He did plenty wrong. Two penalties conceded by the letter of the law. It's not his fault. He is not a RWB. edited to add: I like Diouf. But he is not a specialist RB or RWB. I feel sorry for him. I really do. He didn't concede two penalties though did he. Bellerin is a Spanish international right sided attacking full back, Wenger targetted Diouf as a weakness and put Bellerin on the left and just about every Arsenal attack was built down their left. Cameron, Shawcross and Pieters had comfortable games because everything was directed at Diouf and therefore Zoom. Diouf was all over Bellerin like a rash and apart from that first half penalty shout he pretty much marked him out of the game Just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened. that is complete nonsense. He didn't nullify him until Shaq went off and he got protection. If I was any premier league manager, the first thing I would do is look too attack Diouf at RWB. I also disagree with the "marked him out of the game" comment. He did not. as I've posted before many times, I like Diouf. he tries and does his absolute best, but h'es being done a disservice by being played at RWB. and just because it hasn't been exploited by a goal this time, does not mean it won't be in future by better managers and/or just a goal being scored from his errors on the day.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 19, 2017 23:35:47 GMT
Can't wait for those crosses with the outside of his foot ... Oh, shut up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 23:38:54 GMT
Can't wait for those crosses with the outside of his foot ... Oh, shut up. No YOU shut up. Or we could have a discussion like ...
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Post by moz on Aug 19, 2017 23:43:51 GMT
We can give Cameron another go on the right or we can try playing Ramadan there he can defend well and could make a good pair with Shaq
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Post by steino1966 on Aug 19, 2017 23:45:55 GMT
Fair play to Diouf though for playing RWB and being very professional about it. I was also trying think of any RB/RWB we've been linked to in the past and I could only think of that Dion Cools and Mitchell Weiser. If we are in the market for a RB/RWB, I would have a look at Ander Capa from Eibar in La Liga. He's fast, strong (small and stocky built), lots of stamina and only has a year left on his contract.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 19, 2017 23:47:38 GMT
Diouf was excellent today. He is growing into the role. As many have mentioned, Arsenal targetted him and he was under pressure more than any other defensive player and apart from the first half penalty shout he didn't do much wrong. You could argue that the reason we won today was the obsession that Arsaenal had with trying to exploit Diouf. No. Total nonsense. He did plenty wrong. Two penalties conceded by the letter of the law. It's not his fault. He is not a RWB. edited to add: I like Diouf. But he is not a specialist RB or RWB. I feel sorry for him. I really do. We should give Diouf another run up front. I think he would do well alongside our new forward players. He's wasteful at times, but works tirelessly and we at least look like creating chances when he plays as a striker.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 19, 2017 23:49:01 GMT
He didn't concede two penalties though did he. Bellerin is a Spanish international right sided attacking full back, Wenger targetted Diouf as a weakness and put Bellerin on the left and just about every Arsenal attack was built down their left. Cameron, Shawcross and Pieters had comfortable games because everything was directed at Diouf and therefore Zoom. Diouf was all over Bellerin like a rash and apart from that first half penalty shout he pretty much marked him out of the game Just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened. that is complete nonsense. He didn't nullify him until Shaq went off and he got protection. If I was any premier league manager, the first thing I would do is look too attack Diouf at RWB. I also disagree with the "marked him out of the game" comment. He did not. as I've posted before many times, I like Diouf. he tries and does his absolute best, but h'es being done a disservice by being played at RWB. and just because it hasn't been exploited by a goal this time, does not mean it won't be in future by better managers and/or just a goal being scored from his errors on the day. A couple of months ago we had Glenn Johnson at right back against Arsenal and we conceded 4. Wenger is regarded as one of the top coaches in the country and he thought he could win this game by exploiting Diouf. He was wrong😀.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2017 23:49:17 GMT
There is that. Got everything else to be a good wingback though. Yeah, if we ignore that bit. 😁 Muddled thinking Paul. Sup up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 23:52:20 GMT
Yeah, if we ignore that bit. 😁 Muddled thinking Paul. Sup up. Not sure I understand your point there mate?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2017 23:56:09 GMT
Muddled thinking Paul. Sup up. Not sure I understand your point there mate? Soz obviously mistook you for another negative poster. Crack on.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2017 23:59:09 GMT
Not sure I understand your point there mate? Soz obviously mistook you for another negative poster. Crack on. Nope, still not following you mate, are you trying to say something?
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