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Aug 20, 2017 0:05:27 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2017 0:05:27 GMT
Geoff is the man for that role. Definitely.
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Aug 20, 2017 0:09:43 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2017 0:09:43 GMT
Soz obviously mistook you for another negative poster. Crack on. Nope, still not following you mate, are you trying to say something? Button pressed. Bloody hell. Funny boy. You're the man who's been waving the 'muddled thinking' banner on here aren't you? Ref Mark Hughes. Come on yr not that dense. Just wondered if you've caught up/dropped that yet?
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Aug 20, 2017 0:16:35 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2017 0:16:35 GMT
Nope, still not following you mate, are you trying to say something? Button pressed. Bloody hell. Funny boy. You're the man who's been waving the 'muddled thinking' banner on here aren't you? Ref Mark Hughes. Come on yr not that dense. Just wondered if you've caught up/dropped that yet? Mate if you've got something to actually say or a point to make, why not just do so, instead of presenting people with riddles and then suggesting they might be 'dense' if they don't actually follow you? With respect fella you're beginning to spam the thread up, we were simply having a discussion about right wing backs.
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Aug 20, 2017 0:43:45 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2017 0:43:45 GMT
Button pressed. Bloody hell. Funny boy. You're the man who's been waving the 'muddled thinking' banner on here aren't you? Ref Mark Hughes. Come on yr not that dense. Just wondered if you've caught up/dropped that yet? Mate if you've got something to actually say or a point to make, why not just do so, instead of presenting people with riddles and then suggesting they might be 'dense' if they don't actually follow you? With respect fella you're beginning to spam the thread up, we were simply having a discussion about right wing backs. Yeah. You do realize that the concept of spamming the Oatcake is at best an oxymoron? I've gone around the houses a bit, soz. We've had discussions about Hughes and your perception of his 'muddled thinking' etc in the past. Even in victory you're still chipping away imho. I won't go on because I'm bouyant. Just wondered if you were sticking to the 'muddled thinking' line, was thinking of a t-shirt. That was all.
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Aug 20, 2017 1:02:01 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2017 1:02:01 GMT
Mate if you've got something to actually say or a point to make, why not just do so, instead of presenting people with riddles and then suggesting they might be 'dense' if they don't actually follow you? With respect fella you're beginning to spam the thread up, we were simply having a discussion about right wing backs. Yeah. You do realize that the concept of spamming the Oatcake is at best an oxymoron? I've gone around the houses a bit, soz. We've had discussions about Hughes and your perception of his 'muddled thinking' etc in the past. Even in victory you're still chipping away imho. I won't go on because I'm bouyant. Just wondered if you were sticking to the 'muddled thinking' line, was thinking of a t-shirt. That was all. I was discussing Geoff Cameron's ability to cross a ball chap ... I'd suggest that you've got some sort of agenda if you're going to interpret that as me 'chipping away even in victory'.
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Aug 20, 2017 1:15:31 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 20, 2017 1:15:31 GMT
Thought Diouf was only ok today, from where I was sitting he seemed to pull out of a couple of tackles and bit the dust a bit too easy for my liking.
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Aug 20, 2017 1:22:00 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Aug 20, 2017 1:22:00 GMT
As a centre forward filling in at RWB Diouf is brilliant; as a RWB Diouf is a bit of a worry.
I would play Diouf as a striker and go with Johnson or Cameron at RWB.
I do think Bera was decent as the lone striker today, I just think Mame has a bit more of a physical presence.
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Aug 20, 2017 1:44:27 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2017 1:44:27 GMT
Yeah. You do realize that the concept of spamming the Oatcake is at best an oxymoron? I've gone around the houses a bit, soz. We've had discussions about Hughes and your perception of his 'muddled thinking' etc in the past. Even in victory you're still chipping away imho. I won't go on because I'm bouyant. Just wondered if you were sticking to the 'muddled thinking' line, was thinking of a t-shirt. That was all. I was discussing Geoff Cameron's ability to cross a ball chap ... I'd suggest that you've got some sort of agenda if you're going to interpret that as me 'chipping away even in victory'. Patronizing mate fella chap. Neither yes nor no to the direct question then. Agenda? Started off from me as a gentle rib tickler regarding our previous exchanges re Hughes. 'Muddled thinking', suitability of three at the back, wing backs and that. A bit of crowing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2017 1:59:40 GMT
I was discussing Geoff Cameron's ability to cross a ball chap ... I'd suggest that you've got some sort of agenda if you're going to interpret that as me 'chipping away even in victory'. Patronizing mate fella chap. Neither yes nor no to the direct question then. Agenda? Started off from me as a gentle rib tickler regarding our previous exchanges re Hughes. 'Muddled thinking', suitability of three at the back, wing backs and that. A bit of crowing. At least you dont deny it ... an agenda then, whilst at the same time spamming a thread discussing right wing backs. Do you maybe actually want to have a convo about the topic in hand?
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Aug 20, 2017 2:35:31 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2017 2:35:31 GMT
Patronizing mate fella chap. Neither yes nor no to the direct question then. Agenda? Started off from me as a gentle rib tickler regarding our previous exchanges re Hughes. 'Muddled thinking', suitability of three at the back, wing backs and that. A bit of crowing. At least you dont deny it ... an agenda then, whilst at the same time spamming a thread discussing right wing backs. Do you maybe actually want to have a convo about the topic in hand? Been an advocate of 3 at the back for a while. Seen a few teams try it in the Prem {to arrest a slump} and in Cups to pretty good effect {Wigan, Hull, Southampton, and plenty on the Continent.} Things go in cycles. Seen it before to counter the 442. With Chelsea smashing the job using it, it's vogue. Wing backs are key, but in the more athletic modern game they don't have to be nifty winger types. Providing width to cross is a minor consideration in how we play. Have to abandon footballing cliches under Hughes & co. We were so flexible today, effectively so. At times five at the back, at times a higher line and narrower. Three more sturdy centre backs allows for that rather than a 4 with largely awol full backs.Pieters I think in Diouf, Cameron, Edwards, Pieters, Tymon, Ramadan, Johnson we have plenty of differing aspects of the wb to see us through. And we might augment. I like the thinking.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2017 3:06:49 GMT
At least you dont deny it ... an agenda then, whilst at the same time spamming a thread discussing right wing backs. Do you maybe actually want to have a convo about the topic in hand? Been an advocate of 3 at the back for a while. Seen a few teams try it in the Prem {to arrest a slump} and in Cups to pretty good effect {Wigan, Hull, Southampton, and plenty on the Continent.} Things go in cycles. Seen it before to counter the 442. With Chelsea smashing the job using it, it's vogue. Wing backs are key, but in the more athletic modern game they don't have to be nifty winger types. Providing width to cross is a minor consideration in how we play. Have to abandon footballing cliches under Hughes & co. We were so flexible today, effectively so. At times five at the back, at times a higher line and narrower. Three more sturdy centre backs allows for that rather than a 4 with largely awol full backs.Pieters I think in Diouf, Cameron, Edwards, Pieters, Tymon, Ramadan, Johnson we have plenty of differing aspects of the wb to see us through. And we might augment. I like the thinking. I've got absolutely no issue with playing three at the back if you've got the personnel to do it. I don't think we have any wing backs at the club. Edwards, Tymon and Ramadan - you're just wishfully guessing at. We have absolutely no clue. Johnson simply doesn't have the legs any more for the role. Cameron can't cross for toffee, even his biggest fans would admit that, his best position is a central one, he's said as much himself. Which leaves Diouf and Pieters. Diouf (as I said earlier in the thread) today showed exactly why you're always taking a chance playing him in that role ... at the end of the day, he's a striker playing out of position prone to making ill timed and clumsy tackles that can result in us conceding dangerous free kicks or even (god forbid) penalties as a result. Eric has played well in the first two games of the season (even though he was out of position for the goal at Everton) but he's ordinarily not a great crosser of the ball and routinely looks like a fish out of water when deployed out there. In my opinion.
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Post by Northy on Aug 20, 2017 6:14:03 GMT
got to be an option now bmi is here, diouf is not a defender, especially against teams from the top 6
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Aug 20, 2017 6:19:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 6:19:24 GMT
I'd be surprised if Diouf was really in Hughes' thinking as first choice RWB for the season. I'd imagine a new RWB must be one of the players who Scholes eluded to.
To be fair, I'd be happy enough which Bruno in the centre and Cameron going out wide if we aren't able to get anyone else in.
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Aug 20, 2017 6:33:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 6:33:24 GMT
Fuck me they've found another player to destroy Who do you think we could buy that would have done a better job against the quality we were up against today? As I've said on another thread.....he was in contention for motm for me Well done diouf lad
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 20, 2017 6:34:18 GMT
I'd put Allen at RWB and put Cameron with Fletcher in midfield. Allen has the energy for the role and is one of our better crossers of the ball.
I realise that maybe only one or two on the message board agree with me, but still!
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Aug 20, 2017 6:41:22 GMT
Post by nik80 on Aug 20, 2017 6:41:22 GMT
Hang on, we were playing Arsenal, whilst I agree, if we're looking to bring additional players in, the wing backs are the positions to focus on, Diouf won't get many harder workouts than he did yesterday. Unfortunate that we've got such a tough start but Diouf was okay yesterday. First time in a long time that I've left our ground properly pleased with what I saw.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 6:42:02 GMT
It's a good job he is fast, Arsenal kept playing that ball over the top and although he made up for a few, he nearly got caught way too often. Zouma got him out of the shit more than he probably liked to. I feared if we conceded it would be because of diouf, but other than positioning i thought he was decent and it's a position he can be effective in he just needs more experience.
I can't imagine what it must be like going from striker to RWB (i wouldn't be happy about it) but you can't fault his effort and commitment. It looked like he was going to leave the club at one point, but he has fought his way into the side with a fantastic attitude.
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Aug 20, 2017 6:51:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 6:51:09 GMT
Hang on, we were playing Arsenal, whilst I agree, if we're looking to bring additional players in, the wing backs are the positions to focus on, Diouf won't get many harder workouts than he did yesterday. Unfortunate that we've got such a tough start but Diouf was okay yesterday. First time in a long time that I've left our ground properly pleased with what I saw. Exactly nik. Arsenal are a quality .....as the possession stats prove I saw the lad made one last ditch tackle in the box that stopped them from scoring I don't know if that's what people are moaning about......all I can say is he did what the cb's couldn't as the arse player had left them for dead
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 20, 2017 6:58:23 GMT
Just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened. that is complete nonsense. He didn't nullify him until Shaq went off and he got protection. If I was any premier league manager, the first thing I would do is look too attack Diouf at RWB. I also disagree with the "marked him out of the game" comment. He did not. as I've posted before many times, I like Diouf. he tries and does his absolute best, but h'es being done a disservice by being played at RWB. and just because it hasn't been exploited by a goal this time, does not mean it won't be in future by better managers and/or just a goal being scored from his errors on the day. A couple of months ago we had Glenn Johnson at right back against Arsenal and we conceded 4. Wenger is regarded as one of the top coaches in the country and he thought he could win this game by exploiting Diouf. He was wrong😀. On any other day they could have had two pens and three goals through attacking that side of our defence. We looked poor on that side and Diouf is not going to cut it there. As always he is making a good fist of it. We all like Diouf, but he's not a Right sided defender.
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 20, 2017 7:20:02 GMT
Diouf gets him self about abit but on another day could of given 2/3 pens away today total liability when putting in a challenge. We need a proper right wing back in asap
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 20, 2017 7:36:15 GMT
Diouf gets him self about abit but on another day could of given 2/3 pens away today total liability when putting in a challenge. We need a proper right wing back in asap Exactly so - MOTD highlighted it. I can't fault Diouf's effort but he is too clumsy in the tackle to be the long-term option. Cameron is my short-term choice. He was very good bombing on earlier in his time at Stoke and Diouf himself wasn't called upon to be crossing today, so I doubt Cameron's issues really hamper him there. A 3-4-3 or 3-4-2-1 as we played today isn't about crosses from the wing back as the right-sided forward will pull out towards to link up. What matters most is the athleticism to break quickly and defensive ability when we're under pressure. Oxlade-Chamberlain played the same role for Arsenal and only put a couple of crosses in as I recall, because he had Ozil to link with.
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Post by reddipotter on Aug 20, 2017 7:43:41 GMT
I'd put Allen at RWB and put Cameron with Fletcher in midfield. Allen has the energy for the role and is one of our better crossers of the ball. I realise that maybe only one or two on the message board agree with me, but still! I suggested that a few weeks back. Allen seems to have the abilities required by a wing back, I think.
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Aug 20, 2017 8:16:42 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2017 8:16:42 GMT
Diouf gets him self about abit but on another day could of given 2/3 pens away today total liability when putting in a challenge. We need a proper right wing back in asap Diouf was responsible for one of the challenges that could have resulted in a penalty, the other challenge was made by Zouma but hey ho let's blame Diouf because it supports the argument.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 8:20:51 GMT
Is no one going to mention that the challenge on Bellerin first half came from an accidental slip? Or is it easier to just call him a liability?
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Aug 20, 2017 8:23:33 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 20, 2017 8:23:33 GMT
I'd put Allen at RWB and put Cameron with Fletcher in midfield. Allen has the energy for the role and is one of our better crossers of the ball. I realise that maybe only one or two on the message board agree with me, but still! I suggested that a few weeks back. Allen seems to have the abilities required by a wing back, I think. Allen is way too slow to play wing back, he would get slaughtered by Bellerin and the like
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Aug 20, 2017 8:26:29 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 20, 2017 8:26:29 GMT
Diouf gets him self about abit but on another day could of given 2/3 pens away today total liability when putting in a challenge. We need a proper right wing back in asap Exactly so - MOTD highlighted it. I can't fault Diouf's effort but he is too clumsy in the tackle to be the long-term option. Cameron is my short-term choice. He was very good bombing on earlier in his time at Stoke and Diouf himself wasn't called upon to be crossing today, so I doubt Cameron's issues really hamper him there. A 3-4-3 or 3-4-2-1 as we played today isn't about crosses from the wing back as the right-sided forward will pull out towards to link up. What matters most is the athleticism to break quickly and defensive ability when we're under pressure. Oxlade-Chamberlain played the same role for Arsenal and only put a couple of crosses in as I recall, because he had Ozil to link with. I agree. We didn't really have wing backs, more a back five. I would play Cameron there against the top 6 teams and Diouf against the rest when we are likely to attack more. What I saw from Choupu and Jesé yesterday, I would still be thinking of Diouf as our central striker especially when we are playing on the break
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Aug 20, 2017 8:28:12 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2017 8:28:12 GMT
I would be happy to try Allen or Sobhi in at RWB, probably Allen initialy despite his lack of height.
Diouf for me could be our 15 goal man languishing away at RB. Conner fault the man for trying and agaist teams that wont push us as hard as Arsenal then he could be an option to get more forward movement on that side of the pitch. But just not a defensive tackler... And yes, arsenal exploited that side to the point they were even stretching Zouma.
Cameron is better in the middle and gets a run at CM for my money.
After yesteday I am leaning towards something like;
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Pieters--Cameron--Fletcher--Allen
-----Bruno--Shawcross--Zouma---
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1.Grant 2.Johnson 3.Tymon 4.Adam 5.Ramadan 6.Shaq/Bojan 7.Berahino/Crouch
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Need a RB and another CM option in, also a new backup CB or start to try and foster a bit of faith in Wollscheid
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Aug 20, 2017 8:37:11 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2017 8:37:11 GMT
I would be happy to try Allen or Sobhi in at RWB, probably Allen initialy despite his lack of height. Diouf for me could be our 15 goal man languishing away at RB. Conner fault the man for trying and agaist teams that wont push us as hard as Arsenal then he could be an option to get more forward movement on that side of the pitch. But just not a defensive tackler... And yes, arsenal exploited that side to the point they were even stretching Zouma. Cameron is better in the middle and gets a run at CM for my money. After yesteday I am leaning towards something like; --------------Diouf--------- ------Moting---------Jese---- Pieters--Cameron--Fletcher--Allen -----Bruno--Shawcross--Zouma--- -------------Butland---------- 1.Grant 2.Johnson 3.Tymon 4.Adam 5.Ramadan 6.Shaq/Bojan 7.Berahino/Crouch --- Need a RB and another CM option in, also a new backup CB or start to try and foster a bit of faith in Wollscheid That's a good idea, let's make four changes to a side that's just kept a clean sheet and beaten one of the favourites to win the league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 8:39:57 GMT
As a centre forward filling in at RWB Diouf is brilliant; as a RWB Diouf is a bit of a worry. I would play Diouf as a striker and go with Johnson or Cameron at RWB. I do think Bera was decent as the lone striker today, I just think Mame has a bit more of a physical presence. Johnson.....Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo and thrice Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Aug 20, 2017 8:47:35 GMT
Post by juiceandbits on Aug 20, 2017 8:47:35 GMT
Over a season he worries me because of how reckless he is going to be. Granted most games won't have us defending as often and for as long, so he will have more time to go forward, but those vulnerabilities are still there. We need an actual RWB.
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