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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 16, 2017 12:00:14 GMT
Ryan was terrific against Everton so to suggest we are trying to either force him out or replace him is just plain daft. You might be right. But the fact that he now has less than 10 months left on his contract suggests that one side or the other has concerns about a contract extension. It is pretty rare in the Premier League for an established first team regular to not have a new contract by the time he starts the last season of his current contract. Usually it happens when a player has decided to leave as a free agent in a few months time or his club are not prepared to offer him a new contract on improved (or even similar) terms to the existing contract.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 16, 2017 12:03:19 GMT
Yes please - replacement for Shawcross
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 17, 2017 7:06:20 GMT
Ryan was terrific against Everton so to suggest we are trying to either force him out or replace him is just plain daft. I agree Ryan was much improved against Everton and back to his old self. The facts remain he has not been consistently good for some time and has had a back issue, and maybe he still has a (potential) one. It is good business practice to have succession/cover plans. The plan is clearly to play 3 at the back and we generally agree Cameron, Muni, and Wolly are not to the standard required and we need at least 4, possibly 5*, top class players to cover those 3 positions. * If we had 4 (3 playing and one on the bench) you can be pretty sure at least 1 will be unavailable due to injury or suspension. So acquiring a 5th first rate CB sounds good to me.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 17, 2017 8:09:29 GMT
Maybe our best player in our two last games in my opinion, Ryan that is!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2017 12:08:04 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2017 13:02:34 GMT
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Post by hammercricket on Aug 17, 2017 13:20:35 GMT
Top top player who was linked to us in Jan. Very clever business if you guys get him, only 24 as well.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 17, 2017 13:22:10 GMT
Pursuing Wimmer means the club are lying about their plans for Ryan imo. There is no way one of the those 4 cb's will be happy sitting on the bench.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2017 13:25:09 GMT
Spurs seem close to the replacement, so the Pulis v Hughes tug-of-war will resolve itself soon, you'd think.
Percy seems to think West Brom are ahead, but we'll see.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 17, 2017 13:25:50 GMT
He can only be coming in as Ryan's replacement (given stand off on new contract), certainly not to trade Spurs' bench for ours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 13:27:24 GMT
We should offer VT a deal. Let us have Wimmer and we'll let you have Ryan.
Then give Ryan a new deal.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 17, 2017 13:28:03 GMT
You can only assume that the club have their reservations about offering Ryan an extended deal due to his back problems or that the player himself wants a move out!
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 17, 2017 13:28:24 GMT
Just Wikipediad him.
Kevin Wimmer is an Austrian footballer who plays as a centre back for English club West Bromwich Albion and the Austria national team. He was signed by tony pulis for 15 million to play up front with rondon. Wikipedia
Own up!
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 17, 2017 13:28:43 GMT
Spurs seem close to the replacement, so the Pulis v Hughes tug-of-war will resolve itself soon, you'd think. Percy seems to think West Brom are ahead, but we'll see. Sanchez from Ajax going to Spurs?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 17, 2017 13:30:20 GMT
Good signing for Spurs that, Sanchez looks a very good prospect.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 17, 2017 13:32:56 GMT
Top top player who was linked to us in Jan. Very clever business if you guys get him, only 24 as well. Alright 'Arry...
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 17, 2017 13:32:56 GMT
If Evans goes to Citeh (you'd think he'd leap at the chance, even though he's not rocking the boat), then Wimmer in would make sense. Maybe we'll stick with the young Belgian. Also, what price Ryan not signing a new contract? If so, will he just see this one out? It would be a difficult one for him to swallow and not exactly a motivator.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 17, 2017 13:37:51 GMT
If Evans goes to Citeh (you'd think he'd leap at the chance, even though he's not rocking the boat), then Wimmer in would make sense. Maybe we'll stick with the young Belgian. Also, what price Ryan not signing a new contract? If so, will he just see this one out? It would be a difficult one for him to swallow and not exactly a motivator. There certainly seems a clearer route to a first team spot at WBA, if Evans goes, than at Stoke, if Ryan stays. You'd think if we are looking to the future, we would aim for more on an Engels type player at a lower fee than pay the top dollar Levy always extracts out of buying clubs.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 17, 2017 13:39:35 GMT
Pursuing Wimmer means the club are lying about their plans for Ryan imo. There is no way one of the those 4 cb's will be happy sitting on the bench. I'm not convinced about that Gen. Ryan has been at the club long enough to have gone through several contact negotiations. He's not some new signing who the club will be trying to tempt from a clean slate. Informal discussions could well have been held and the two parties are so far apart there is no point in offering a new contract that will be rejected. So if you want to spin it that way that he hasn't been offered a new deal fine. But I bet each party knows what the other has in mind already and the club wants to put off the 'captain rejects new offer' headline as long as they can.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 17, 2017 13:41:39 GMT
Pursuing Wimmer means the club are lying about their plans for Ryan imo. There is no way one of the those 4 cb's will be happy sitting on the bench. I'm not convinced about that Gen. Ryan has been at the club long enough to have gone through several contact negotiations. He's not some new signing who the club will be trying to tempt from a clean slate. Informal discussions could well have been held and the two parties are so far apart there is no point in offering a new contract that will be rejected. So if you want to spin it that way that he hasn't been offered a new deal fine. But I bet each party knows what the other has in mind already and the club wants to put off the 'captain rejects new offer' headline as long as they can. Days ago the manager and CEO both came out and said it was getting closer to being agreed. If that's the case, why are we looking at another CB who would be clearly a first choice option?
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Post by cpfwizard on Aug 17, 2017 13:43:08 GMT
Surprised TP hasn't made a.move for Ryan knowing he's in last 12 months of contract.
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Post by Mr Chairman on Aug 17, 2017 13:43:08 GMT
Simple message, really. Come in this season and fight for your place and learn our system. Next year, you will be our starting CB. Nothing weird about this. Long term solution. Continue to ship dead wood - Wolly. Perfect signing if we can get him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2017 13:44:32 GMT
Simple message, really. Come in this season and fight for your place and learn our system. Next year, you will be our starting CB. Nothing weird about this. Long term solution. Continue to ship dead wood - Wolly. Perfect signing if we can get him. What's in it for the player?
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Post by Mr Chairman on Aug 17, 2017 13:48:04 GMT
Simple message, really. Come in this season and fight for your place and learn our system. Next year, you will be our starting CB. Nothing weird about this. Long term solution. Continue to ship dead wood - Wolly. Perfect signing if we can get him. What's in it for the player? I figured "you will be our starting CB long term" is the kind of message players like..along with 60 thousand pounds per week (or whatever he will get paid.)
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 17, 2017 13:49:06 GMT
I'm not convinced about that Gen. Ryan has been at the club long enough to have gone through several contact negotiations. He's not some new signing who the club will be trying to tempt from a clean slate. Informal discussions could well have been held and the two parties are so far apart there is no point in offering a new contract that will be rejected. So if you want to spin it that way that he hasn't been offered a new deal fine. But I bet each party knows what the other has in mind already and the club wants to put off the 'captain rejects new offer' headline as long as they can. Days ago the manager and CEO both came out and said it was getting closer to being agreed. If that's the case, why are we looking at another CB who would be clearly a first choice option? Maybe it is, but maybe they both know in the end it won't be. It's like the 'we won't let player X go until we get a replacement' line possibly. If it gets done and the player and club are happy with the deal, then fine by me. But I'd be worried if we were announcing to the world officially that we won't/can't reach agreement with him before we've got a back up plan.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 17, 2017 13:52:06 GMT
Marc Benamram on twitter claiming that Wimmer to WBA is a distraction,and that it is Sanchez that is joining WBA!
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Post by slicko on Aug 17, 2017 13:54:37 GMT
Surprised TP hasn't made a.move for Ryan knowing he's in last 12 months of contract. Phonegate "loser" 2017
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2017 13:55:40 GMT
What's in it for the player? I figured "you will be our starting CB long term" is the kind of message players like..along with 60 thousand pounds per week (or whatever he will get paid.) But why choose us when he could either stay on the bench for another year at a top club playing in four competitions rather than ours and then leave, or go and be someone's long-term centre half now? He'll play every week at West Brom.
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 17, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
Marc Benamram on twitter claiming that Wimmer to WBA is a distraction,and that it is Sanchez that is joining WBA! He's taking the piss (I think!)
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2017 14:07:40 GMT
If he does come here, red lights will definitely be flashing with Ryan.
Even alleged serious interest is quite a hefty steer in that direction.
If he doesn't come, at least we'll know we've potentially been unable to satisfy his concerns around 4 into 3 front-line centre-half slots fitting.
All things being equal, I'd like to think we've got the edge over playing for a Pulis team (although Pulis is pretty good at selling his defensive vision to targets, wouldn't imagine his very regimented drills are for everyone though, especially if you consider yourself a ball player)
They've got a bit of a reputation of being a bit cheap (well, certainly no more flashy than us) on wages and fees - and in the normal course of events, I'd like to think we'd win the day after the Hughes big sell (but I am biased).
He also doesn't like playing full-back, and you know it wouldn't be long before he'd get an outing there at the Hawthorns!
At the moment, there's Evans, the Egyptian kiddie, Macauley and Dawson fighting for 2 slots. But, if Evans did go, he'd certainly slip into a comfortable starting position there.
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