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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 6:27:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 7:24:58 GMT
We've been after him for a while apparently.
We don't need him at all mind now.
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Post by werrington on Aug 16, 2017 7:27:08 GMT
We've been after him for a while apparently. We don't need him at all mind now. I do agree but We've only got zouma for one season and injuries and suspensions will bite at some stage Maybe he's thinking long term |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 7:30:26 GMT
We've been after him for a while apparently. We don't need him at all mind now. I do agree but We've only got zouma for one season and injuries and suspensions will bite at some stage Maybe he's thinking long term We shouldn't have signed Zouma then. And yes we would have been short......sign BMI sooner. It makes no sense. |
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Post by werrington on Aug 16, 2017 7:33:58 GMT
I do agree but We've only got zouma for one season and injuries and suspensions will bite at some stage Maybe he's thinking long term We shouldn't have signed Zouma then. And yes we would have been short......sign BMI sooner. It makes no sense. But if at times we are gong with three at the back he is needed ...one as cover and two for next season as if it's somebody he wants long term he may well get him now whilst he's available |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 7:41:23 GMT
We shouldn't have signed Zouma then. And yes we would have been short......sign BMI sooner. It makes no sense. But if at times we are gong with three at the back he is needed ...one as cover and two for next season as if it's somebody he wants long term he may well get him now whilst he's available So we're signing a 15-20m CB for cover for a year? I'd rather we signed a left wing back and have Cameron and Pieters for CB cover. Makes way more sense for what we need now and the future (with full backs being needed massively). If we spend 15-20m on a CB and sign 2 full backs, 1 CM, Jese and a striker then I won't mind. But that would cost 70-80m. And the other players we actually need. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 7:41:50 GMT
He's cover where he is though. If he's taking a step down, it's going to be somewhere where he'll be playing regularly.
The lad at Bruges sounds a much more sensible long term plan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2017 7:48:26 GMT
Wolly's probably off, and Cameron may be needed at wing-back or midfield at various points.
Wimmer still seems far too much of a name to come in as 4th-in-line though.
Dunno about the Brugge bloke - but it sounds like he too would be a £10m job, given that he's interested Roma and Arsenal in the last 12 months
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 16, 2017 7:51:11 GMT
There should be no certainties in the team. There needs to be constant pressure on players to perform. Too many fans think that Shawcross is a shoe in but I personally think we will move forward when the old guard of the Pulis era are gone and we can move forward. Four very good centre halves seems like a good idea to me and this player, if good enough fits the bill for me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 7:51:18 GMT
£10m, again, pretty much seems like the going rate doesn't it? Young, promising, will take time to acclimatise, will play in the cups and come in for injuries/suspensions and then hopefully be good to go when Zouma goes back?
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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 16, 2017 7:51:43 GMT
Wimmer still seems far too much of a name to come in as 4th-in-line though. I just wonder if Shawcross will be looking over his shoulder at the moment... |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 16, 2017 7:52:37 GMT
Wolly's probably off, and Cameron may be needed at wing-back or midfield at various points. Wimmer still seems far too much of a name to come in as 4th-in-line though. Dunno about the Brugge bloke - but it sounds like he too would be a £10m job, given that he's interested Roma and Arsenal in the last 12 months Wimmer will not come here or move to anyone for that matter if he's still going to be sat on the bench. Engels though, you'd think would be more understanding and could be someone to step into Zouma's boots when he goes back to Chelsea at the end of the season? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 7:53:24 GMT
There should be no certainties in the team. There needs to be constant pressure on players to perform. Too many fans think that Shawcross is a shoe in but I personally think we will move forward when the old guard of the Pulis era are gone and we can move forward. Four very good centre halves seems like a good idea to me and this player, if good enough fits the bill for me. Four very good centre halves yes. Four 'name' centre halves is a hard enough situation to manage if you're Arsenal or Everton. How do you sell that to Wimmer, who would find himself in the exact same situation he's in now only with fewer games, at a lower profile club, with less chance of winning anything? It really doesn't happen for clubs of our stature. |
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 16, 2017 7:57:59 GMT
There should be no certainties in the team. There needs to be constant pressure on players to perform. Too many fans think that Shawcross is a shoe in but I personally think we will move forward when the old guard of the Pulis era are gone and we can move forward. Four very good centre halves seems like a good idea to me and this player, if good enough fits the bill for me. Four very good centre halves yes. Four 'name' centre halves is a hard enough situation to manage if you're Arsenal or Everton. How do you sell that to Wimmer, who would find himself in the exact same situation he's in now only with fewer games, at a lower profile club, with less chance of winning anything? It really doesn't happen for clubs of our stature. West Bromwich Albion tend to have six or seven! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 8:00:02 GMT
Four very good centre halves yes. Four 'name' centre halves is a hard enough situation to manage if you're Arsenal or Everton. How do you sell that to Wimmer, who would find himself in the exact same situation he's in now only with fewer games, at a lower profile club, with less chance of winning anything? It really doesn't happen for clubs of our stature. West Bromwich Albion tend to have six or seven! Aren't they scratching around for them at the moment? They're hardly 'names' either, Evans aside. And they need that many because they play them across the back four... |
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Post by werrington on Aug 16, 2017 8:20:38 GMT
He's cover where he is though. If he's taking a step down, it's going to be somewhere where he'll be playing regularly. The lad at Bruges sounds a much more sensible long term plan. I've not worded it right mate ....in reality they'd be cover for each other not literally him as suspensions and injuries will make it an even amount of games played My main point was Zouma will be gone next season so if Wimmer is somebody he wants he may be thinking ahead and long term |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 8:36:02 GMT
I still think he'd want assurances of playing more mate. He'd be more likely to go somewhere crying out for a first-choice centre half. Replacing Van Dijk would make sense.
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2017 8:38:37 GMT
Another CB might be in order, especially if Wollscheid is persona non Grata, however it would surely be someone with a lower profile and pricetag than Wimmer.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 16, 2017 8:57:35 GMT
How times change.
It only seems a year or more ago we had Shawcross out and one or two injuries and we were wondering if we could put a team out for the next match with 2 CBs.
I think this rumour is Shawcross related; either pressure to get him and his agent to sign a new deal, or the club have not confidence in his long term fitness/suitability. I'm as big a fan of Ryan as most, but long term careers at the top do eventually come to an end. I was shocked at his error at Bramhall Lane.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Aug 16, 2017 9:15:35 GMT
The current squad is extremely dependent on Geoff for cover. I reckon he's first choice down for Ryan, Zu, Bruno, Douffy, Joe and Fletch. That's 60% of the outfield!
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 16, 2017 9:21:16 GMT
When TP was at Stoke didn't he establish the principle that Centre Backs are the answer to everything and you can't have too many of them!  Maybe we're looking at two lines of three at the back ! |
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Post by professorplump on Aug 16, 2017 11:11:06 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Wimmer was being considered as the replacement for Shawcross.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 16, 2017 11:15:47 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Wimmer was being considered as the replacement for Shawcross. That thought crossed my mind as soon as I saw we were in for him. The delay in his new contract (whatever the reason) suggests we cannot take it for granted that Shawcross will still be at the club by September. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 16, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
When TP was at Stoke didn't he establish the principle that Centre Backs are the answer to everything and you can't have too many of them! Maybe we're looking at two lines of three at the back ! Very vulnerable to a couple of fast wingers we need two lines of five at the back! |
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Post by daveandeddy on Aug 16, 2017 11:29:08 GMT
Wimmer still seems far too much of a name to come in as 4th-in-line though. I just wonder if Shawcross will be looking over his shoulder at the moment... For me ... I have thought for some time now that Shawcross is not a long time option for us and could either leave or be forced out of the game with his back |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2017 11:34:07 GMT
Hughes couldn't have been much clearer about wanting Shawcross to stay last Friday - but actions do speak louder than words and the failure to offer a deal (which Shawcross confirmed was still the case as of Saturday) and links with front-line £10m/£15m centre-halves are bound to raise questions and get tongues wagging
"We want Ryan to stay, clearly. There's absolutely no doubt about that. There were stories about Burnley. There's no truth whatsoever in that. There hasn't been any communication with them - and there won't be!"
"You're going to get a bit of speculation when contract negotiations are going on, but our intention is to re-sign Ryan if we can"
"I haven't had an update of late. I think we're closer, clearly, than when they first started"
"It'll get done. There's a will on both sides to make sure it happens and I'm quite comfortable with that"
"He's had a great career here, undervalued outside of Stoke. He's had his disappointments with not getting enough international recognition in my view, and the view of lots of other people. But when he finishes, which is a long way off, he'll look back on his time with Stoke with great pride"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 11:38:54 GMT
I do agree but We've only got zouma for one season and injuries and suspensions will bite at some stage Maybe he's thinking long term We shouldn't have signed Zouma then. And yes we would have been short......sign BMI sooner. It makes no sense. Maybe clarity on wimmer wasn't there then so we weren't prepared to take the risk of losing out on zouma I don't no how good wimmer is but, I think it's common sense to capture a good cb when the opportunity arises. As has been said, injuries etc |
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Aug 16, 2017 11:42:38 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Wimmer was being considered as the replacement for Shawcross. That thought crossed my mind as soon as I saw we were in for him. The delay in his new contract (whatever the reason) suggests we cannot take it for granted that Shawcross will still be at the club by September. Hi John, My same thoughts when I saw this. There is no guarantee that Ryan will be there come 1st September. Sad but this is the world of footbal we live in. Whether the club are likely to be interested in paying the sorts of money Levy wants to screw out of other clubs leaves me thinking we will not go for him. I just remember £8M for Palacios! |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 16, 2017 11:45:57 GMT
Wimmer wimmer chicken dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 11:53:45 GMT
Ryan was terrific against Everton so to suggest we are trying to either force him out or replace him is just plain daft.
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