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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 7, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
Are you saying that the first we'd hear of a big foreign club being interested in our player would be after the end of our window? If it became clear said player was going it'd be nice to think we had a contingency plan in place and if we didn't, it wouldn't be because the window closing was a bad thing, but because we were whack ourselves in the nuts with a spade incompetent. In a hypothetical world where the moon can beam you on the head it could happen What contingency plan could we have? If the window was closed we'd be bolloxed whether we were incompetent or not. As I said before are we really going to replace one of our stars before the window closes just on the off chance a foreign club cherry picks him after our window has closed? No are we bollocks. I'm totally in favour of the window closing before the start of the season and always have been but it should be at least a Europe wide change. It wouldn't be 'on the off chance' though would it? We'd only do it if that was very much the way the wind was blowing. If this hypothetical interest only, bizarrely, arose once the window was closed (which is highly unlikely) we could just say no. If this window has showed us anything, it's that the riches of Premier League clubs has (probably temporarily) killed off player power.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 7, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
In a hypothetical world where the moon can beam you on the head it could happen What contingency plan could we have? If the window was closed we'd be bolloxed whether we were incompetent or not. As I said before are we really going to replace one of our stars before the window closes just on the off chance a foreign club cherry picks him after our window has closed? No are we bollocks. I'm totally in favour of the window closing before the start of the season and always have been but it should be at least a Europe wide change. It wouldn't be 'on the off chance' though would it? We'd only do it if that was very much the way the wind was blowing. If this hypothetical interest only, bizarrely, arose once the window was closed (which is highly unlikely) we could just say no. If this window has showed us anything, it's that the riches of Premier League clubs has (probably temporarily) killed off player power. But we're simply not a big enough club to say no. We haven't got the financial clout of Liverpool or Man City have we? I can't be arsed any more mate but I just think us going it alone could potentially be a nightmare. You don't. We'll see in less than 12 months I suppose.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 7, 2017 22:23:02 GMT
This makes no sense for Premier League clubs unless other leagues followed. But why would they? It gives them a massive advantage. Looking around various websites, many managers and presidents of big European clubs are praising our decision and asking that their own leagues follow suit. It is quite possible that there may be a domino effect. One thing we may see in future are clauses inserted in players' contracts with English clubs that release clauses of £x million can only be forcibly triggered before the end of July - that would force any foreign club to make their move early if they wished to trigger a release clause. If, next summer, it is apparent that enough English clubs are seriously disadvantaged, it will only require 14 of them to vote for a change for the status quo to be restored. True; in fact it would only take 9 clubs who voted for change to change their minds. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. When PC was interviewed he said Hughes supported the change when the interviewers suggested managers would not be happy. The Guardian says José Mourinho is in favour of the change although ManU voted against it, so there are split views within some clubs.
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Post by Gods on Sept 7, 2017 22:27:35 GMT
I was quite happy with the status quo.
I enjoy the excitement of late transfer deals merging with the start of the season.
What is the perceived problem this is supposedly fixing?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 7, 2017 22:36:14 GMT
Steve Parish (Palace) I thought made a good point a couple of weeks ago - that closing the transfer window a couple of weeks after the season starts, helps newly promoted clubs, as they get time to see how their squad performs in the Premier League and get a better idea of what they might need. It would've been interesting to see how Championship teams favourite for promotion would have voted.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2017 6:41:04 GMT
It wouldn't be 'on the off chance' though would it? We'd only do it if that was very much the way the wind was blowing. If this hypothetical interest only, bizarrely, arose once the window was closed (which is highly unlikely) we could just say no. If this window has showed us anything, it's that the riches of Premier League clubs has (probably temporarily) killed off player power. But we're simply not a big enough club to say no. We haven't got the financial clout of Liverpool or Man City have we? I can't be arsed any more mate but I just think us going it alone could potentially be a nightmare. You don't. We'll see in less than 12 months I suppose. We've still got more financial clout than most clubs in Europe, even if we don't have the status. Where did Mahrez end up? Roma wouldn't pay what Leicester wanted so he ended up going nowhere. Again, you're talking about a scenario so specific as to be unlikely, that involves a team suddenly poking its head out without warning the second our window closes and offering a package that we want to go for and wages that can match what we pay. It's not impossible, but there's only a handful of clubs who can afford to do it.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 8, 2017 7:00:00 GMT
Thought the point about a release clause being triggered by a foreign club after our window had shut was relevant. We just have to make sure we never give one, or stipulate that it can't be triggered after the window shuts here.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2017 8:15:44 GMT
But we're simply not a big enough club to say no. We haven't got the financial clout of Liverpool or Man City have we? I can't be arsed any more mate but I just think us going it alone could potentially be a nightmare. You don't. We'll see in less than 12 months I suppose. We've still got more financial clout than most clubs in Europe, even if we don't have the status. Where did Mahrez end up? Roma wouldn't pay what Leicester wanted so he ended up going nowhere. Again, you're talking about a scenario so specific as to be unlikely, that involves a team suddenly poking its head out without warning the second our window closes and offering a package that we want to go for and wages that can match what we pay. It's not impossible, but there's only a handful of clubs who can afford to do it. Saying it over and over again doesn't make your OPINION right. And no matter how many times you say it you won't convince me it isn't a potential nightmare. I won't be convinced otherwise until I've seen it in action or unless the rest of Europe fall into line. fca says above that we should negotiate in a clause in players contracts about no release during the hiatus after our window shuts. That's ok for new signings but what about the 30 odd we already have on our books, we can't force them to sign a new contract with such terms. It might not, but it could be a nightmare. One way to mitigate the possible disadvantage is to leave the loan period open until the end of the continental window so that we have the insurance policy at least of replacing lost players with loans. We'll see.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2017 8:44:49 GMT
We've still got more financial clout than most clubs in Europe, even if we don't have the status. Where did Mahrez end up? Roma wouldn't pay what Leicester wanted so he ended up going nowhere. Again, you're talking about a scenario so specific as to be unlikely, that involves a team suddenly poking its head out without warning the second our window closes and offering a package that we want to go for and wages that can match what we pay. It's not impossible, but there's only a handful of clubs who can afford to do it. Saying it over and over again doesn't make your OPINION right. And no matter how many times you say it you won't convince me it isn't a potential nightmare. I won't be convinced otherwise until I've seen it in action or unless the rest of Europe fall into line. fca says above that we should negotiate in a clause in players contracts about no release during the hiatus after our window shuts. That's ok for new signings but what about the 30 odd we already have on our books, we can't force them to sign a new contract with such terms. It might not, but it could be a nightmare. One way to mitigate the possible disadvantage is to leave the loan period open until the end of the continental window so that we have the insurance policy at least of replacing lost players with loans. We'll see. I keep reiterating them because you keep ignoring them rather than arguing against them. But by all means keep doing that and acting like the sky is going to fall in.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2017 9:38:33 GMT
Saying it over and over again doesn't make your OPINION right. And no matter how many times you say it you won't convince me it isn't a potential nightmare. I won't be convinced otherwise until I've seen it in action or unless the rest of Europe fall into line. fca says above that we should negotiate in a clause in players contracts about no release during the hiatus after our window shuts. That's ok for new signings but what about the 30 odd we already have on our books, we can't force them to sign a new contract with such terms. It might not, but it could be a nightmare. One way to mitigate the possible disadvantage is to leave the loan period open until the end of the continental window so that we have the insurance policy at least of replacing lost players with loans. We'll see. I keep reiterating them because you keep ignoring them rather than arguing against them. But by all means keep doing that and acting like the sky is going to fall in. The point of this message board isn't to keep re-iterating your opinion on a subject to try and browbeat unbelievers into submission (although you're not alone in that department unfortunately). I posted MY opinion on the subject several posts and pages ago. You don't accept that but I'm entitled to it just the same. If you feel that I'm being reactionary, so be it. I'd rather call it cautious with a bit of cynicism thrown in. Anyway I've made my point, you've made yours. Neither of us are going to change our opinions even if we flog a dead horse til the cows come home (I always think a good mixed metaphor lightens up proceedings a la Reggie Perrin - but no doubt you disagree ) so lets leave it there? We can always resume the discussion in 12 months time and if it's all gone swimmingly I'm more than man enough to admit you were right.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 8, 2017 9:49:43 GMT
I actually cant see the Manchester clubs allowing this to go through even if they have lost the vote I can see them trying legally to stop this and bringing Eufa and the EU in to stop it. I bet at this moment that they have there lawyers working on it!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 8, 2017 9:55:31 GMT
I actually cant see the Manchester clubs allowing this to go through even if they have lost the vote I can see them trying legally to stop this and bringing Eufa and the EU in to stop it. I bet at this moment that they have there lawyers working on it! How can they legally stop it, using UEFA and the EU? There are already differing dates for transfer windows across Europe. Turkey's window shuts this week, for example and I think some of the Eastern European nations don't shut until next month. What exactly is different about England (and Wales) that we can't change ours to suit ourselves? Do we (legally) have less clout than Turkey?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2017 10:10:06 GMT
I keep reiterating them because you keep ignoring them rather than arguing against them. But by all means keep doing that and acting like the sky is going to fall in. The point of this message board isn't to keep re-iterating your opinion on a subject to try and browbeat unbelievers into submission (although you're not alone in that department unfortunately). I posted MY opinion on the subject several posts and pages ago. You don't accept that but I'm entitled to it just the same. If you feel that I'm being reactionary, so be it. I'd rather call it cautious with a bit of cynicism thrown in. Anyway I've made my point, you've made yours. Neither of us are going to change our opinions even if we flog a dead horse til the cows come home (I always think a good mixed metaphor lightens up proceedings a la Reggie Perrin - but no doubt you disagree ) so lets leave it there? We can always resume the discussion in 12 months time and if it's all gone swimmingly I'm more than man enough to admit you were right. As enjoyable as it is to have you lecture me on what the point of the messageboard is, I'd always thought there was room for debate and discussion - just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean it's sacred and can't be challenged. It isn't about browbeating, it's about engaging with the points raised. But as we're both banging our heads against the hills we've picked to die on, I'll walk off into the bury the hatchet and walk off into the sunset.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 8, 2017 10:42:24 GMT
I actually cant see the Manchester clubs allowing this to go through even if they have lost the vote I can see them trying legally to stop this and bringing Eufa and the EU in to stop it. I bet at this moment that they have there lawyers working on it! You cannot be serious that they would take legal action against a 2/3 rds majority democratic vote. When Jose Mourinho has also said he is in favour of the decision.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2017 10:58:57 GMT
The point of this message board isn't to keep re-iterating your opinion on a subject to try and browbeat unbelievers into submission (although you're not alone in that department unfortunately). I posted MY opinion on the subject several posts and pages ago. You don't accept that but I'm entitled to it just the same. If you feel that I'm being reactionary, so be it. I'd rather call it cautious with a bit of cynicism thrown in. Anyway I've made my point, you've made yours. Neither of us are going to change our opinions even if we flog a dead horse til the cows come home (I always think a good mixed metaphor lightens up proceedings a la Reggie Perrin - but no doubt you disagree ) so lets leave it there? We can always resume the discussion in 12 months time and if it's all gone swimmingly I'm more than man enough to admit you were right. As enjoyable as it is to have you lecture me on what the point of the messageboard is, I'd always thought there was room for debate and discussion - just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean it's sacred and can't be challenged. It isn't about browbeating, it's about engaging with the points raised. But as we're both banging our heads against the hills we've picked to die on, I'll walk off into the bury the hatchet and walk off into the sunset. I think that's called softening the blow of the iron fist in the velvet glove
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