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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:23:22 GMT
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Post by werrington on Aug 15, 2017 18:23:22 GMT
He needs to have somebody alongside him ...that's what he needs jezza Do you buy the players to fit the system or change the system to fit the players? Hughes has used 4-2-3-1 most often and now seems to favour the in vogue 3-4-3, neither of which involves a front two. A partner for Saido would have to provide what he does not, so heading ability, and an ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. In the squad right now, that is only even remotely available from the 36 year old Crouch. 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 with Crouch and Saido up front would leave issues with accommodating the likes of Shaq and Jese, who can potentially offer the team far more in terms of creativity, and even goals, than Saido seems capable of right now. Once again, Hughes has bought a player ill suited to his formation, and cannot now get the best out of him when wedging a square peg in a round hole. Changing everything to try to accommodate him risks doing that to others instead. I say getting the best out of the likes of Shaq, Choupo, Jese and Bojan may be better for us in the long run, so Saido either fits in or ships out. Harsh, but fair IMHO. Thing is, as with Everton Saturday and last season he brings him off them brings two forwards on ...so he does use it
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 15, 2017 18:24:54 GMT
There will be some on here that will be absolutely seething if he finds some scoring form. Fact! Fact is for season's, even when we've been successful, fans have had a scapegoat down the years. Foley, Darel Russell, Sidibe etc. Hatred of players even when they haven't done anything wrong. Don't know why, they just do. Some of the abuse that some players and former managers get is just vitriolic. Dont and never will understand it Its not hate, its just a difference of opinion, I don't think anyone could hate Sidibe, I thought Russel was a headless chicken but I didn't hate him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 15, 2017 18:25:25 GMT
Do you buy the players to fit the system or change the system to fit the players? Hughes has used 4-2-3-1 most often and now seems to favour the in vogue 3-4-3, neither of which involves a front two. A partner for Saido would have to provide what he does not, so heading ability, and an ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. In the squad right now, that is only even remotely available from the 36 year old Crouch. 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 with Crouch and Saido up front would leave issues with accommodating the likes of Shaq and Jese, who can potentially offer the team far more in terms of creativity, and even goals, than Saido seems capable of right now. Once again, Hughes has bought a player ill suited to his formation, and cannot now get the best out of him when wedging a square peg in a round hole. Changing everything to try to accommodate him risks doing that to others instead. I say getting the best out of the likes of Shaq, Choupo, Jese and Bojan may be better for us in the long run, so Saido either fits in or ships out. Harsh, but fair IMHO. Thing is, as with Everton Saturday and last season he brings him off them brings two forwards on ...so he does use it He brought Crouch on as his plan B, but not to play in a front two. Choupo was brought on to play as a left sided attacking midfielder from what I saw.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 15, 2017 18:27:23 GMT
You could put Neymar up front alongside me but I'd still be utter gash.
You can't polish a turd.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
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Post by werrington on Aug 15, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
Thing is, as with Everton Saturday and last season he brings him off them brings two forwards on ...so he does use it He brought Crouch on as his plan B, but not to play in a front two. Choupo was brought on to play as a left sided attacking midfielder from what I saw. Exactly mate ....he came on to help and supply him, something Berahino didn't have He spent most of his time wide left drifting inside but always available
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:29:58 GMT
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Post by werrington on Aug 15, 2017 18:29:58 GMT
You could put Neymar up front alongside me but I'd still be utter gash. You can't polish a turd. Seriously ....is there any need
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 15, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
You could put Neymar up front alongside me but I'd still be utter gash. You can't polish a turd. Seriously ....is there any need Yeah. He's shit. See the poll.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:32:01 GMT
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 15, 2017 18:32:01 GMT
Fact is for season's, even when we've been successful, fans have had a scapegoat down the years. Foley, Darel Russell, Sidibe etc. Hatred of players even when they haven't done anything wrong. Don't know why, they just do. Some of the abuse that some players and former managers get is just vitriolic. Dont and never will understand it Its not hate, its just a difference of opinion, I don't think anyone could hate Sidibe, I thought Russel was a headless chicken but I didn't hate him. No not pointing the finger at you mate in anyway. I had players I didn't rate but some of the abuse that I've seen some players fans and managers get on here is ridiculous
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:36:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 18:36:37 GMT
Seriously ....is there any need Yeah. He's shit. See the poll. Less than 50% think he's gash.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 15, 2017 18:36:44 GMT
Seriously ....is there any need Yeah. He's shit. See the poll. Ah that's it then the Oatcake intelligentsia have spoken. Must be true then.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:39:53 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 15, 2017 18:39:53 GMT
There's also the evidence gathered from ones eyes.
And the fact Hughes has admitted he's after a new striker.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:41:48 GMT
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Post by geekenny on Aug 15, 2017 18:41:48 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us. He needs to have somebody alongside him ...that's what he needs jezza I haven't seen any pre-season games so correct me if I'm wrong... But I thought it would have been interesting to see Berahino alongside Joselu. Jos playing in a deeper "mama" role. Berahino definitely needs someone with him. He's not a centre forward. Looking at Rodriquez at West Brom.. there is a bloke who seems he can play plough a lone furrow and create his own chances. Sparky has got to play to his strengths or ditch him.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 18:54:18 GMT
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Post by mickmacc on Aug 15, 2017 18:54:18 GMT
That's the thing though. He doesn't have any strengths
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 15, 2017 19:05:03 GMT
Its not hate, its just a difference of opinion, I don't think anyone could hate Sidibe, I thought Russel was a headless chicken but I didn't hate him. No not pointing the finger at you mate in anyway. I had players I didn't rate but some of the abuse that I've seen some players fans and managers get on here is ridiculous I didn't think you were aiming it at me mate, I just can't see how anyone could actually hate a player from their own team, if they do they may as well find something else to do on a Saturday.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 19:12:23 GMT
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 15, 2017 19:12:23 GMT
No not pointing the finger at you mate in anyway. I had players I didn't rate but some of the abuse that I've seen some players fans and managers get on here is ridiculous I didn't think you were aiming it at me mate, I just can't see how anyone could actually hate a player from their own team, if they do they may as well find something else to do on a Saturday. Some people do. Some of the stuff I hear is ridiculous close to where i sat in block 21. Some of the stuff on here as well
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 19:12:51 GMT
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Post by geekenny on Aug 15, 2017 19:12:51 GMT
That's the thing though. He doesn't have any strengths Well... that's an interesting statement. I'm sure some people on this message board will have the facts.
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 15, 2017 19:17:43 GMT
Personal opinion, but if Bera fails at stoke the finger should point at others before it points at the player...
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Post by parsonage1955 on Aug 15, 2017 19:24:13 GMT
If we were to persist with Saido (and l accept it takes some faith based on what we've seen to date), you could play 343 with two up front. It'd be a 3412 with Shaq behind Saido and probably a bigger man like Choupo or Douffy. Loses a bit of width, but, there again, Saido's not going to score many from crosses, is he.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
I was thinking 'lets hope hes saving his best for when the season starts'
I then realized
it already has
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 15, 2017 19:34:34 GMT
It's a glorious fuck up.
What's the scouting department doing? Where are there suggestions on what we need? Where's the plan?
The fact that again is so glaring to the rest of us is what's galling. Same as Allen behind the striker or BMI as a left back. Ridiculous
If you're playing a loan striker you have to pay for a decent one, I'm fed up with cutting corners. Time after time. It's a waste
Also, why are Bojan and Shaq not playing balls between the lines for him? What are they being taught/told to do?
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 19:34:39 GMT
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Post by geekenny on Aug 15, 2017 19:34:39 GMT
If we were to persist with Saido (and l accept it takes some faith based on what we've seen to date), you could play 343 with two up front. It'd be a 3412 with Shaq behind Saido and probably a bigger man like Choupo or Douffy. Loses a bit of width, but, there again, Saido's not going to score many from crosses, is he. Yeh...that is what I thought sparky would try. With Jos though. If he gets a proper left wing back (a la Baines) that system could work. If you are going three at the back you have got to make sacrifices somewhere. Basic arithmetic.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 15, 2017 20:05:25 GMT
That's the thing though. He doesn't have any strengths Well... that's an interesting statement. I'm sure some people on this message board will have the facts. Fact he has not scored any goals in a competitive game in 14, how many assists does he have to his name in those 14 games ?, how many headers has he won in 14 games ? a non scoring striker who contributes very little else to the team is an out and out liability. Why is Hughes actively looking to bring in another striker if he trusts Berahino ?, let's face it he has chased the player for 2 years landed him and has no idea how if it is possible to get the best out of him.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 15, 2017 20:32:41 GMT
It's a glorious fuck up. What's the scouting department doing? Where are there suggestions on what we need? Where's the plan? The fact that again is so glaring to the rest of us is what's galling. Same as Allen behind the striker or BMI as a left back. Ridiculous If you're playing a loan striker you have to pay for a decent one, I'm fed up with cutting corners. Time after time. It's a waste Also, why are Bojan and Shaq not playing balls between the lines for him? What are they being taught/told to do? Why would they play balls between the lines? Berahino doesn't make any runs! His movement is non existent on the evidence of Saturday When he first signed, he was making runs and getting into positions but the service was fucking shit. Now he's most likely going to get some service he's lost all confidence and it seems like the only thing that might get him going is if by some miracle a goal goes in off his arse!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 15, 2017 21:05:16 GMT
It's a glorious fuck up. What's the scouting department doing? Where are there suggestions on what we need? Where's the plan? The fact that again is so glaring to the rest of us is what's galling. Same as Allen behind the striker or BMI as a left back. Ridiculous If you're playing a loan striker you have to pay for a decent one, I'm fed up with cutting corners. Time after time. It's a waste Also, why are Bojan and Shaq not playing balls between the lines for him? What are they being taught/told to do? Why would they play balls between the lines? Berahino doesn't make any runs! His movement is non existent on the evidence of Saturday When he first signed, he was making runs and getting into positions but the service was fucking shit. Now he's most likely going to get some service he's lost all confidence and it seems like the only thing that might get him going is if by some miracle a goal goes in off his arse! Better hope he is better with his arse than his head then.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 21:18:27 GMT
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Post by butlerstreet on Aug 15, 2017 21:18:27 GMT
I don't want to jump any bandwagon but why are we STILL making excuses for him?
TP fucked him over, he's not fit - Ok, give him a free pass for 6 months 'to sharpen up'
We don't play to his strengths - let's change the shape of the whole side to see if we can put it on a plate for him.
He cost £12m and earns about £60,000 a week. When exactly does the finger point to him, to get his own (previously fat, now maybe not so much) arse into gear?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 15, 2017 21:22:08 GMT
I don't want to jump any bandwagon but why are we STILL making excuses for him? TP fucked him over, he's not fit - Ok, give him a free pass for 6 months 'to sharpen up' We don't play to his strengths - let's change the shape of the whole side to see if we can put it on a plate for him. He cost £12m and earns about £60,000 a week. When exactly does the finger point to him, to get his own (previously fat, now maybe not so much) arse into gear? Because some can not accept what is as blatant as the nose on their faces, Hughes has bought another flop.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 15, 2017 21:32:02 GMT
I seem to remember a half a zillion page thread on here, which became quite heated as to should we sign him or not.
A lot, possibly the majority, said yes.
I often wonder if the Oatcake does have an influence on management decisions.
Maybe we should think before we post.
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 21:48:19 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 15, 2017 21:48:19 GMT
Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. Apart from when he didn't, like playing Shotton on the right. That was a shocker, I agree.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 15, 2017 21:50:00 GMT
I seem to remember a half a zillion page thread on here, which became quite heated as to should we sign him or not. A lot, possibly the majority, said yes. I often wonder if the Oatcake does have an influence on management decisions. Maybe we should think before we post. Wowsers really ! is it our fault we keep signing shit players
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Berahino
Aug 15, 2017 22:13:10 GMT
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Post by 99problems on Aug 15, 2017 22:13:10 GMT
I seem to remember a half a zillion page thread on here, which became quite heated as to should we sign him or not. A lot, possibly the majority, said yes. I often wonder if the Oatcake does have an influence on management decisions. Maybe we should think before we post. Nice to think that we would impact the decision making on some level, but if anybody holding the purse strings is crowd sourcing business decisions on here, instead of evaluating and buying players on the evidence of scouts/coaches and research etc, then we're in deep shit.
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