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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2017 12:02:38 GMT
He was poor last season but he also clearly unfit. He should be fit now after a full pre-season and I think it's daft to write him off after 1 game against a decent Everton side. And also no played for nearly two years properly Now we know why.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2017 12:06:28 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 13, 2017 12:07:10 GMT
And also no played for nearly two years properly Now we know why. It wasn't down to his football ability though, it was a combination of things behind the scenes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 13, 2017 14:24:03 GMT
Berahino is another waste of a lot of money. I can understand why the club aren't giving him money to spend. May as well invest it in the Nigerian lottery.
I don't believe for a minute that they're not giving him money to spend because they don't trust him to spend it wisely.
If that was the case, it would be a case of complete negligence on the part of the Chairman and board.
You either back him or sack him, to do something in between, is the worst scenario of all.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 13, 2017 14:42:05 GMT
Berahino is another waste of a lot of money. I can understand why the club aren't giving him money to spend. May as well invest it in the Nigerian lottery.
I don't believe for a minute that they're not giving him money to spend because they don't trust him to spend it wisely.
If that was the case, it would be a case of complete negligence on the part of the Chairman and board.
You either back him or sack him, to do something in between, is the worst scenario of all.
Agreed. We're making a pigs dick of it.
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 13, 2017 15:02:36 GMT
He arrived by default, in as much as the thin WBA squad gave him an opening. The mobility and enthusiasm that a much leaner SB displayed enabled him to score, and his confidence was on a much higher level. He never had outstanding pace, unlike Owen. Even in his short 'golden period', he did not contribute in build up play, and his tracking and defending was poor. His performances had begun to tail off prior to the first Spurs bids, but the whole circus seems to have finished him off imo. As I posted on here on an earlier thread, I made money by betting on him staying through the two transfer windows when Spurs were serious suitors. My belief , confirmed by what happened, was that the chairman, Poisonous Peace would not take the personal content of SB's comments lightly or well. His refusal to sell went far beyond commercial or football sense. Peace was imo was out to damage SB and make him an example. Ironically, Peace's vindictive stance was still rewarded by his theft of £12m off Coates. For once, Our Tone was not the villain of the piece. In fact, one curious facet of the farce was Tone's reluctance to publicly criticise SB and his repeated attempts to reintegrate him into the team. Hughes must have been stark staring mad to want to take on such a flickering talent, given that his contacts in the game must have known of SB's frailties. You talk a lot of sense my friend and unfortunately it all sounds true. We had our pants well and truly pulled down, and every time he starts and fails to score, we take another expensive spanking. And, stranger still, SCFC could have had him for free this summer, given that there would not have been much competition for his signature. Would that have lessened the scrutiny and criticism? Albion fans can only be thankful that he refused to sign the proffered WBA 5 year contract.
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Post by werrington on Aug 13, 2017 15:03:23 GMT
You talk a lot of sense my friend and unfortunately it all sounds true. We had our pants well and truly pulled down, and every time he starts and fails to score, we take another expensive spanking. And, stranger still, SCFC could have had him for free this summer, given that there would not have been much competition for his signature. Would that have lessened the scrutiny and criticism? Albion fans can only be thankful that he refused to sign the proffered WBA 5 year contract. He would not of have been free transfer
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2017 21:12:25 GMT
It wasn't down to his football ability though, it was a combination of things behind the scenes. Like taking recreational drugs !, being a disruptive influence and general fuckwittery those type of things, the fact that a professional athlete allowed his fitness to drop so badly says all we need to know about him.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Aug 14, 2017 5:54:52 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league.
May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2017 7:21:01 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. We change systems of play more often than we change our underwear, Hughes buys players with absolutely no idea how they will fit into whatever system he try's to play. We have no identity as a team anymore, the old guard have all but gone so they can not pull him out of the shit this season, the man is clueless and will take us down.
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Post by werrington on Aug 14, 2017 7:22:13 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. We change systems of play more often than we change our underwear, Hughes buys players with absolutely no idea how they will fit into whatever system he try's to play. We have no identity as a team anymore, the old guard have all but gone so they can not pull him out of the shit this season, the man is clueless and will take us down.
Identity....god I fucking hate that word
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Post by Dr Hesham on Aug 14, 2017 7:54:41 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. We change systems of play more often than we change our underwear, Hughes buys players with absolutely no idea how they will fit into whatever system he try's to play. We have no identity as a team anymore, the old guard have all but gone so they can not pull him out of the shit this season, the man is clueless and will take us down.
Yes I remember last season he played with a new plan every 2 games, any coach can make a plan on the papers but what about tactics and links between the players. Stoke will not go down for sure but with the available players and coach now will not make a good surprise for his fans at the end of the league.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 14, 2017 8:26:03 GMT
It wasn't down to his football ability though, it was a combination of things behind the scenes. Like taking recreational drugs !, being a disruptive influence and general fuckwittery those type of things, the fact that a professional athlete allowed his fitness to drop so badly says all we need to know about him. Since then he's acknowledged his mistakes and with the benefit of a fresh start he's clearly been working on his weight/fitness because the Berahino I saw on Saturday was a lot fitter than the one I saw at the tail end of last season. I think some supporters are being are a bit too hasty in writing him off already for this season after just one game against an Everton side that defended well generally and should be in the top 7 come the end of the season. My take from the Everton game is that he only had one decent opportunity from that dangerous Pieters cross where I would have expected him to be in a better position but apart from that there was no real decent service into him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 14, 2017 8:44:09 GMT
Like taking recreational drugs !, being a disruptive influence and general fuckwittery those type of things, the fact that a professional athlete allowed his fitness to drop so badly says all we need to know about him. Since then he's acknowledged his mistakes and with the benefit of a fresh start he's clearly been working on his weight/fitness because the Berahino I saw on Saturday was a lot fitter than the one I saw at the tail end of last season. I think some supporters are being are a bit too hasty in writing him off already for this season after just one game against an Everton side that defended well generally and should be in the top 7 come the end of the season. My take from the Everton game is that he only had one decent opportunity from that dangerous Pieters cross where I would have expected him to be in a better position but apart from that there was no real decent service into him. I'm not writing him off but his performances are a real worry. He looks totally bereft of any confidence. He didn't stretch the opposition at all on Saturday and he was always behind the defender. I can't remember a single run he made where you are thinking "play him in". The one time he did do a good bit of play, early in second half, he nipped in front of the defender turned it around the corner then couldn't run away from a retreating centre half. It's all very worrying given that we are clearly banking on him to provide some goals this season. He doesn't look like he's got a goal in him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2017 8:51:38 GMT
Like taking recreational drugs !, being a disruptive influence and general fuckwittery those type of things, the fact that a professional athlete allowed his fitness to drop so badly says all we need to know about him. Since then he's acknowledged his mistakes and with the benefit of a fresh start he's clearly been working on his weight/fitness because the Berahino I saw on Saturday was a lot fitter than the one I saw at the tail end of last season. I think some supporters are being are a bit too hasty in writing him off already for this season after just one game against an Everton side that defended well generally and should be in the top 7 come the end of the season. My take from the Everton game is that he only had one decent opportunity from that dangerous Pieters cross where I would have expected him to be in a better position but apart from that there was no real decent service into him. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude or application its just at the moment he looks entirely incapable of getting six goals in a season let alone score the goals we need. Is the manager helping him out? Not really but that's far from the whole story. You only had to look at Jay Rodriguez at the weekend to see that a £12M player really should be capable of helping himself a bit and impose himself on a game. Berahino is just waiting for things to happen and even then his anticipation looks absolutely shocking. I'll be gutted and resigned to certain defeat if he's picked on Saturday. It's already that desperate.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 14, 2017 9:06:36 GMT
Since then he's acknowledged his mistakes and with the benefit of a fresh start he's clearly been working on his weight/fitness because the Berahino I saw on Saturday was a lot fitter than the one I saw at the tail end of last season. I think some supporters are being are a bit too hasty in writing him off already for this season after just one game against an Everton side that defended well generally and should be in the top 7 come the end of the season. My take from the Everton game is that he only had one decent opportunity from that dangerous Pieters cross where I would have expected him to be in a better position but apart from that there was no real decent service into him. I'm not writing him off but his performances are a real worry. He looks totally bereft of any confidence. He didn't stretch the opposition at all on Saturday and he was always behind the defender. I can't remember a single run he made where you are thinking "play him in". The one time he did do a good bit of play, early in second half, he nipped in front of the defender turned it around the corner then couldn't run away from a retreating centre half. It's all very worrying given that we are clearly banking on him to provide some goals this season. He doesn't look like he's got a goal in him. I get what you're saying, it does make you wonder what we're doing in training doesn't it. I'm not worrying just yet though, if he gets a goal soon he should go on and do well for us this season. Hopefully Hughes also is looking to bring in an alternative that isn't Crouch, as much as I love the guy.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 14, 2017 9:10:35 GMT
Facts of the matter are that he looks anything but a 15 goal a season striker
His movement is poor, he doesn't look quick and he is not good in the air, plus he is totally bereft of confidence
I have read about him "not having service", but that's a load of tosh. As a premier league striker you need the movement to be able to pull defenders out of position and open up space, Crouchie does it and he is 36 year old. When the likes of Van Persie, Aguero, Kane and Suarez come down to the Brit, there movement was the most noticeable, pulling the defenders in all directions and letting their midfield exploit the gaps, Saido does none of that plus he cant get on the end of a move. It must be very easy marking him as a centre half right now. If you ask any centre half right now who would you rather mark, Crouch or Saido then we all the know the answer
Its sad to say and I hope I am wrong but I don't think we can put up with him up top for much longer.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 14, 2017 9:21:26 GMT
Since then he's acknowledged his mistakes and with the benefit of a fresh start he's clearly been working on his weight/fitness because the Berahino I saw on Saturday was a lot fitter than the one I saw at the tail end of last season. I think some supporters are being are a bit too hasty in writing him off already for this season after just one game against an Everton side that defended well generally and should be in the top 7 come the end of the season. My take from the Everton game is that he only had one decent opportunity from that dangerous Pieters cross where I would have expected him to be in a better position but apart from that there was no real decent service into him. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude or application its just at the moment he looks entirely incapable of getting six goals in a season let alone score the goals we need. Is the manager helping him out? Not really but that's far from the whole story. You only had to look at Jay Rodriguez at the weekend to see that a £12M player really should be capable of helping himself a bit and impose himself on a game. Berahino is just waiting for things to happen and even then his anticipation looks absolutely shocking. I'll be gutted and resigned to certain defeat if he's picked on Saturday. It's already that desperate. If the job spec entails standing on the penalty spot waiting for someone to slide rule a pass into me to tuck away then I'm putting my name down the next time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 14, 2017 9:21:52 GMT
I'm not writing him off but his performances are a real worry. He looks totally bereft of any confidence. He didn't stretch the opposition at all on Saturday and he was always behind the defender. I can't remember a single run he made where you are thinking "play him in". The one time he did do a good bit of play, early in second half, he nipped in front of the defender turned it around the corner then couldn't run away from a retreating centre half. It's all very worrying given that we are clearly banking on him to provide some goals this season. He doesn't look like he's got a goal in him. I get what you're saying, it does make you wonder what we're doing in training doesn't it. I'm not worrying just yet though, if he gets a goal soon he should go on and do well for us this season. Hopefully Hughes also is looking to bring in an alternative that isn't Crouch, as much as I love the guy. I've lost count of the number of forwards we've had where we say "he just needs a goal to get him on his way" but with Berahino, I don't think I've ever seen a player who so desperately needs to turn in a really good performance that is capped with a goal.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Aug 14, 2017 9:33:12 GMT
He is never a lone striker/front man he needs someone up with him and i would have tried Joselu before shipping him out..
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 14, 2017 9:36:55 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then?
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 14, 2017 9:46:36 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Yeah, why not try Joselu instead of Berahino? Would rather we cut our losses and sold Berahino to Newcastle for £5m and kept Joselu who is in a different class compared to Berahino, more intelligent, better technically, more to his game, and can actually score a goal.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 14, 2017 10:26:47 GMT
He is never a lone striker/front man he needs someone up with him and i would have tried Joselu before shipping him out.. Didnt we try 2 up front last season with him and Walters who you would think would be the ideal foil for him. I maybe wrong but I just don't think that is the answer
Really do hope he finds his way, but just cannot see it I am afraid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 10:33:48 GMT
Still far too early to write him off, we've only played one game this season! I'll give him until the new year to bang a few goals in, when that first one comes then hopefully his confidence does too and more will follow.
I think that first goal will come before the month is out. Come on Saido!!
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Post by holdmedelilah on Aug 14, 2017 10:41:18 GMT
I get what you're saying, it does make you wonder what we're doing in training doesn't it. I'm not worrying just yet though, if he gets a goal soon he should go on and do well for us this season. Hopefully Hughes also is looking to bring in an alternative that isn't Crouch, as much as I love the guy. I've lost count of the number of forwards we've had where we say "he just needs a goal to get him on his way" but with Berahino, I don't think I've ever seen a player who so desperately needs to turn in a really good performance that is capped with a goal. Agreed, but he might need to be dropped to the U23's in order to do that...just to get some confidence back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 10:42:37 GMT
What happened to playing strikers in the reserves until they found their match sharpness and form?
I don't think the pressure that must be on his shoulders as "Main Striker" is helping him at all.
With Walters gone and Joselu seemingly on his way to Newcastle that pressure is only going to grow.
If we continue with him as it is he will become the whipping boy for all our problems which will do him nor us any favours at all. I've always had him down as a in the box poacher, to play him as lone striker is just lunacy you would do better playing Ryan in that position at least he would win a header in the air.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 14, 2017 10:45:09 GMT
What happened to playing strikers in the reserves until they found their match sharpness and form? I don't think the pressure that must be on his shoulders as "Main Striker" is helping him at all. With Walters gone and Joselu seemingly on his way to Newcastle that pressure is only going to grow. If we continue with him as it is he will become the whipping boy for all our problems which will do him nor us any favours at all. I've always had him down as a in the box poacher, to play him as lone striker is just lunacy you would do better playing Ryan in that position at least he would win a header in the air. Yes I think he needs game time but not in our first team.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 14, 2017 10:47:06 GMT
There are big mobile strikers out there, the one at Huddersfield for example, but we seem obsessed with buying , so called big name flops.
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Post by philb on Aug 14, 2017 10:51:02 GMT
So does nearly every team outside the top six really.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 14, 2017 10:53:59 GMT
It's become a game of Patience with Berahino, but at some point, unless he starts scoring goals, someone else needs to start up front.
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