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Post by philb on Aug 14, 2017 10:56:24 GMT
Facts of the matter are that he looks anything but a 15 goal a season striker His movement is poor, he doesn't look quick and he is not good in the air, plus he is totally bereft of confidence I have read about him "not having service", but that's a load of tosh. As a premier league striker you need the movement to be able to pull defenders out of position and open up space, Crouchie does it and he is 36 year old. When the likes of Van Persie, Aguero, Kane and Suarez come down to the Brit, there movement was the most noticeable, pulling the defenders in all directions and letting their midfield exploit the gaps, Saido does none of that plus he cant get on the end of a move. It must be very easy marking him as a centre half right now. If you ask any centre half right now who would you rather mark, Crouch or Saido then we all the know the answer Its sad to say and I hope I am wrong but I don't think we can put up with him up top for much longer. I hate to say it but at the moment Pulis must be having a quiet snigger to himself and thinking 'I knew i was right' 🙄
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 14, 2017 11:04:03 GMT
Facts of the matter are that he looks anything but a 15 goal a season striker His movement is poor, he doesn't look quick and he is not good in the air, plus he is totally bereft of confidence I have read about him "not having service", but that's a load of tosh. As a premier league striker you need the movement to be able to pull defenders out of position and open up space, Crouchie does it and he is 36 year old. When the likes of Van Persie, Aguero, Kane and Suarez come down to the Brit, there movement was the most noticeable, pulling the defenders in all directions and letting their midfield exploit the gaps, Saido does none of that plus he cant get on the end of a move. It must be very easy marking him as a centre half right now. If you ask any centre half right now who would you rather mark, Crouch or Saido then we all the know the answer Its sad to say and I hope I am wrong but I don't think we can put up with him up top for much longer. I hate to say it but at the moment Pulis must be having a quiet snigger to himself and thinking 'I knew i was right' 🙄 too true. There hasn't been many players that Pulis has sold that he hasn't had faith in , that have gone on to bigger and better things
We all remember Tuncay and how we all thought he was brilliant, he didn't do great after he left, the same for Hoefkens. Say what we like about TP but he knows a player when he sees one.................Still wouldn't have him back though
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2017 11:04:50 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system.
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Post by philb on Aug 14, 2017 11:08:53 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. System? We've got a system??? 😳
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 14, 2017 11:12:59 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. I dont think he lacks ambition. More along the lines of struggling to attract the better players that he would need to improve his rigid tactics,as more technically gifted players dont like being shackled and suppressed and not being able to express themselves on the pitch. TP is a 45 point merchant and that is highly unlikely to change.
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Post by canadianmoose on Aug 14, 2017 11:18:10 GMT
Perhaps Maxim is the foil that Bera needs?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2017 11:20:29 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. 100% but it ain't rocket science is it, choose a system and buy players that at least suit the system.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. 100% but it ain't rocket science is it, choose a system and buy players that at least suit the system. It seems to be at the moment.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 14, 2017 11:26:12 GMT
I watched the West Ham game yesterday and even though they were utter dogshite Hernandez never stopped even at 4-0 down , that is the attitude that Saido needs to get out of this rut , he isnt doing enough and seems shot to bits confidence wise .
I came away on Saturday thinking that we would be best sending him on loan to a championship team until christmas in the hope he scores a few and gets some confidence .
I'm a big fan of 4-4-2 and agree he has never nor will ever be suited to a loan striker role but Im not sure we have the players for 4-4-2 even if we bought a striker in to be honest
Shaq isnt suited to wide right in a 4-4-2 you need two orthodox wingers and im not sure we have either , we dont have a decent right back and we dont really have a midfield passer of the ball who can create so I think we are stuck with the current system , maybe a 5-3-2 might be worth a go but then we are back to the not having proper wing backs problem .
It really does seem to be a dogs breakfast of talented players who dont really fit and Hughes is behaving like Captain Mainwaring these days sadly , maybe the right few signings might change things but Im not sure
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Post by philb on Aug 14, 2017 11:30:20 GMT
I watched the West Ham game yesterday and even though they were utter dogshite Hernandez never stopped even at 4-0 down , that is the attitude that Saido needs to get out of this rut , he isnt doing enough and seems shot to bits confidence wise . I cam away on Saturday thinking that we would be best sending him on loan to a championship team until christmas in the hope he scores a few and gets some confidence . I'm a big fan of 4-4-2 and agree he has never nor will ever be suited to a loan striker role but Im not sure we have the players for 4-4-2 even if we bought a striker in to be honest Shaq isnt suited to wide right in a 4-4-2 you need two orthodox wingers and im not sure we have either , we dont have a decent right back and we dont really have a midfield passer of the ball who can create so I think we are stuck with the current system , maybe a 5-3-2 might be worth a go but them we are back to the not having wing backs problem . It really does seem to be a dogs breakfast of talented players who dont really fit and Hughes is behaving like Captain Mainwaring these days sadly , maybe the right few signings might change things but Im not sure I think what you're trying to say there is that basically we haven't got a clue 😉
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 14, 2017 11:38:15 GMT
I would have liked to have taken him out of the first team against Arsenal and play him against Rochdale. Unlikely to happen now with very limited options up front unless Crouch starts, which tbh may not be a bad idea.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Aug 14, 2017 21:05:14 GMT
Berhanio is a polite striker who accepts leaving the ball for the defender if he needs it, although I watched him too much but he always prefer to disappear between the defenders so I dont know alot about his skills may be he is a good player but 100% not a striker especially in premier league. May be he can be a good shadow striker with another striker, but it cant be with Hughes, if it was OK for Hughes he would play with 11 defenders, Toni Pulis is a coach who depends on Defense but on the same side he know how to score and have some tactics, not that good but better than no tactics. So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? According to Transfermarket, total value of Stoke City players 150.08 Million £ "without Jesse" and total value of West Brom players 105.25 Million £. So it is supposed that Stoke City has much better results but it is not true cause Stoke City plays with no tactics, although they have good players but most of the points Stoke City got last season was through depending on high balls to Crouch or some skills from Arni every 4-5 matches.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 14, 2017 21:10:57 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? According to Transfermarket, total value of Stoke City players 150.08 Million £ "without Jesse" and total value of West Brom players 105.25 Million £. So it is supposed that Stoke City has much better results but it is not true cause Stoke City plays with no tactics, although they have good players but most of the points Stoke City got last season was through depending on high balls to Crouch or some skills from Arni every 4-5 matches. In your short time watching stoke you seem to have hit the nail on the head. Your are very correct, we have no tactics.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 14, 2017 21:46:37 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? According to Transfermarket, total value of Stoke City players 150.08 Million £ "without Jesse" and total value of West Brom players 105.25 Million £. So it is supposed that Stoke City has much better results but it is not true cause Stoke City plays with no tactics, although they have good players but most of the points Stoke City got last season was through depending on high balls to Crouch or some skills from Arni every 4-5 matches. I believe that we will finish above West Bromwich this year but only time will tell!
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Post by Dr Hesham on Aug 14, 2017 21:58:40 GMT
According to Transfermarket, total value of Stoke City players 150.08 Million £ "without Jesse" and total value of West Brom players 105.25 Million £. So it is supposed that Stoke City has much better results but it is not true cause Stoke City plays with no tactics, although they have good players but most of the points Stoke City got last season was through depending on high balls to Crouch or some skills from Arni every 4-5 matches. I believe that we will finish above West Bromwich this year but only time will tell! I didnt mean by this comparison to say West Brom is better team, absolutely wrong Stoke is much better with much better players especially after Jesse too but Stoke has no tactics. West Brom has an ugly defensive tactics similar to Steve Bruce but at least they have tactics with below average players they can get some points while Stoke plays with a new plan every 2-3 games even in the preseason Hughes played every game with different plan, "different plan but no tactics no sentences between the players ..etc." If you asked Pulis how will you score, he will answer Corners , Free Kicks .. etc. If you asked Hughes he will not answer cause he doesnt have a plan for that, he just waits to see like us, may Shaqiri depends on himself and do it or Crouch in the 2nd half ... etc.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 15, 2017 15:57:02 GMT
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 15, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 15, 2017 16:00:27 GMT
The fact that Hughes has said he wants a striker says it all really.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 15, 2017 16:05:57 GMT
Call me old fashioned but putting in the option to call one of your own players 'utter gash' seems like hilarious fun. And I'm sure it will be for him when he sees it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 15, 2017 16:58:13 GMT
Call me old fashioned but putting in the option to call one of your own players 'utter gash' seems like hilarious fun. And I'm sure it will be for him when he sees it. I am sure he will use it as a motivation tool. Expect him to re-double (or even more. hopefully)his efforts and go on a scoring run unprecedented in the club´s history.
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Post by geekenny on Aug 15, 2017 17:55:25 GMT
I would have liked to have taken him out of the first team against Arsenal and play him against Rochdale. Unlikely to happen now with very limited options up front unless Crouch starts, which tbh may not be a bad idea. He (Berahino) has got to be given at least 4 games into the new season before any drastic action. He needs to play against Arsenal and Rochdale. It would be interesting to see him play alongside Crouch actually in the Rochdale game.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 15, 2017 18:03:52 GMT
There will be some on here that will be absolutely seething if he finds some scoring form.
Fact!
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Post by werrington on Aug 15, 2017 18:06:47 GMT
There will be some on here that will be absolutely seething if he finds some scoring form. Fact! They'll give it the "pleased he's proved me wrong " bollocks Discussing his pros and cons is one thing and fine as that's what a forum is for but some of the words used are beyond the pale
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 15, 2017 18:10:29 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us.
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Post by werrington on Aug 15, 2017 18:12:50 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us. He needs to have somebody alongside him ...that's what he needs jezza
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 15, 2017 18:15:59 GMT
There will be some on here that will be absolutely seething if he finds some scoring form. Fact! Fact is for season's, even when we've been successful, fans have had a scapegoat down the years. Foley, Darel Russell, Sidibe etc. Hatred of players even when they haven't done anything wrong. Don't know why, they just do. Some of the abuse that some players and former managers get is just vitriolic. Dont and never will understand it
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Post by adi on Aug 15, 2017 18:18:57 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us. If he plays and fails to net against Rochdale then he'll probably just implode. Could be a good chance to boost his confidence, assuming that is all that's the matter 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 15, 2017 18:20:58 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us. He needs to have somebody alongside him ...that's what he needs jezza Do you buy the players to fit the system or change the system to fit the players? Hughes has used 4-2-3-1 most often and now seems to favour the in vogue 3-4-3, neither of which involves a front two. A partner for Saido would have to provide what he does not, so heading ability, and an ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. In the squad right now, that is only even remotely available from the 36 year old Crouch. 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 with Crouch and Saido up front would leave issues with accommodating the likes of Shaq and Jese, who can potentially offer the team far more in terms of creativity, and even goals, than Saido seems capable of right now. Once again, Hughes has bought a player ill suited to his formation, and cannot now get the best out of him when wedging a square peg in a round hole. Changing everything to try to accommodate him risks doing that to others instead. I say getting the best out of the likes of Shaq, Choupo, Jese and Bojan may be better for us in the long run, so Saido either fits in or ships out. Harsh, but fair IMHO.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 15, 2017 18:21:19 GMT
He needs to be taken out of the firing line - give him the Rochdale game and an under-23 game or two to see if he can bag a couple of goals and get some confidence back. The lad needs a kind word and an arm round his shoulders, tell him he has a long-term future here, but needs to find his game again and we will give him time to do so. His chasing around to no great effect right now must be as painful to him as it is to us. He needs to have somebody alongside him ...that's what he needs jezza As bad as he's looked recently, there's a reason people were raving about him a few years back.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 15, 2017 18:23:08 GMT
So why cant Pulis get 50 points in a season then? Because he is completely lacking in ambition. He is happy to survive in the Premier League and doesn't push for more points. I hate to say it, but I think he's a better squad builder than Hughes in that he at least buys players who suit his system. Apart from when he didn't, like playing Shotton on the right.
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