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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 11, 2017 11:05:44 GMT
We've also agreed everything with Delph and he wants to come here apparently! He 100% does, only on loan though and we want a permanent deal, already agreed a fee, City only want to sell. So to confirm, he DOES want to come. He doesn't want to come though does he on that basis. If Man City want to sell and we've agreed a fee, then Delph is the sticking point in the deal. It was said that he was just waiting for agreement on his contract settlement from Man City and then he would sign. Are you saying he only wants to come on loan because Man City won't settle his contract to move permanently? Even then, if that is the case, the fact Man City want to sell him and the fact we've agreed the transfer fee all points to the player himself holding up the deal. If this is true, surely the player doesn't really want to be here and we should be moving our attention elsewhere?
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 11, 2017 11:07:32 GMT
Like Arnie, Joe Allen is worth at least 30M in the current market.
We have no reason to sell cheaply.
Swansea will not let Siggurdson go for less than 50M. We should get at least 30M for Allen.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 11, 2017 11:09:05 GMT
I think this could be Joe Allen's year to shine, and we need him to. Play him in his correct position, tell him to be disciplined and he will be 10x the player we saw running around like a headless chicken last year
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Post by hokire on Aug 11, 2017 11:09:21 GMT
Like Arnie, Joe Allen is worth at least 30M in the current market. We have no reason to sell cheaply. Swansea will not let Siggurdson go for less than 50M. We should get at least 30M for Allen. Swap plus cash for Siggurdson???!!!!
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 11, 2017 11:10:14 GMT
Also Delph has to be the most overrated, injury prone player to be discussed on this board
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 11, 2017 11:15:48 GMT
I think this could be Joe Allen's year to shine, and we need him to. Play him in his correct position, tell him to be disciplined and he will be 10x the player we saw running around like a headless chicken last year He definitely needs to channel his energy better, but with Whelan or Adam in midfield someone had to have some energy!
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Post by maine on Aug 11, 2017 11:18:57 GMT
Four quick comments. Swansea are my 'second' team. 1/ Contrary to one above, Allen's passing at Swansea was superb. 2/ The negative reaction to Joe reminds me of that to Robbie James, who was more powerful but far less skillful. 3/ Delph is good, but less so than Joe. 4/ If Allen leaves, I hope it's to Swans. Their board can't understand the negativity here. Maybe he should go where he's more appreciated-but I hope he doesn't.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 11, 2017 11:26:43 GMT
Go back with an offer of Allen plus 15m for Sigurdsson. Now he would be a major upgrade.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2017 11:27:07 GMT
Four quick comments. Swansea are my 'second' team. 1/ Contrary to one above, Allen's passing at Swansea was superb. 2/ The negative reaction to Joe reminds me of that to Robbie James, who was more powerful but far less skillful. 3/ Delph is good, but less so than Joe. 4/ If Allen leaves, I hope it's to Swans. Their board can't understand the negativity here. Maybe he should go where he's more appreciated-but I hope he doesn't. The negativity is down to him not fitting in to how Hughes wanted to play, getting shafted as an attacking midfielder didn't help things.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 11, 2017 11:54:56 GMT
Illarramendi and Delph in. Allen and Imbula out. Yes please! I have got a better idea Illaremendi in and imbula out Now that would be great business!
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 11, 2017 11:57:41 GMT
Always did play well for Liverpool
Always does play well for wales
You have to question whether hughes knows how to get the best out of him?
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 11, 2017 12:23:38 GMT
i have nothing against Allen, and I was very pleased with early performances last season, but I'd genuinely take the offer if it was there
Our applecart was upset with the introduction of Imbula first, then compounded by the arrival of Allen into a very crowded and confused midfield.
Take this money and invest it all in the full/wing back positions, that's what we absolutely must do this transfer window
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2017 12:24:38 GMT
We've also agreed everything with Delph and he wants to come here apparently! He 100% does, only on loan though and we want a permanent deal, already agreed a fee, City only want to sell. So to confirm, he DOES want to come. why would the player want to come? to get 1st team football to give him a chance of making England World Cup squad (& given Englands lack of midfielders he would stand a chance if he demonstrates form & fitness which he won't be able to do at Man City) why would he only want a loan? presumably because he would lose out financially both re salary & future bonuses & maybe he fancies if he does well on lain he thinks he might get a second crack at Man City The fact that Man City want to sell suggests that he has next to chance of getting back in so to me it's down to money What can Stoke do about that? offer the player more - but if it's above our highest earners than that would cause huge problems with other players so we shouldn't do that. push Man City to do a better deal with Delph Man City will look to pressure the player to take Stokes offer as such can only see this going to deadline day when (most likely) Delph either caves & takes Stokes offer or decides to sit in Man City's reserves but maintaining his high salary
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 11, 2017 12:28:16 GMT
20 million. Bite their hands off and get a proper replacement in while we can.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 11, 2017 13:13:14 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 11, 2017 13:13:50 GMT
Go back with an offer of Allen plus 15m for Sigurdsson. Now he would be a major upgrade. are we really valuing joe at 35m though? he's useful and should fetch plenty in this market but that's a little OTT isnt it? got to be 20-25m as a realistic evaluation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:14:19 GMT
For £20m, it's got to be done.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 11, 2017 13:18:26 GMT
Expect this story to only have one conclusion, it the minute the Siggurdson goes to Everton it will only be one way traffic for Joe
£20 million would be realistic & I think Stoke wouldn't say no, but the answer is NOT a player who is happy to sit and let his bank account get bigger & not want to put an effort in at Stoke City. If Delph doesn't fancy Stoke City, then let it be. We had this scenario before, and should learn from it!
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Post by werrington on Aug 11, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Go back with an offer of Allen plus 15m for Sigurdsson. Now he would be a major upgrade. are we really valuing joe at 35m though? he's useful and should fetch plenty in this market but that's a little OTT isnt it? got to be 20-25m as a realistic evaluation Recent transfer fees and benchmarks say differently mate He scored 6 goals from midfield whereas a 9 goal centre forward from Burnley with one year on his contract went for £18m Age, contract length etc says £30m minimum
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 11, 2017 13:23:05 GMT
He 100% does, only on loan though and we want a permanent deal, already agreed a fee, City only want to sell. So to confirm, he DOES want to come. why would the player want to come? to get 1st team football to give him a chance of making England World Cup squad (& given Englands lack of midfielders he would stand a chance if he demonstrates form & fitness which he won't be able to do at Man City) why would he only want a loan? presumably because he would lose out financially both re salary & future bonuses & maybe he fancies if he does well on lain he thinks he might get a second crack at Man City The fact that Man City want to sell suggests that he has next to chance of getting back in so to me it's down to money What can Stoke do about that? offer the player more - but if it's above our highest earners than that would cause huge problems with other players so we shouldn't do that. push Man City to do a better deal with Delph Man City will look to pressure the player to take Stokes offer as such can only see this going to deadline day when (most likely) Delph either caves & takes Stokes offer or decides to sit in Man City's reserves but maintaining his high salary Hear a bit of gossip that there was some bad feeling between the clubs over the Bony loan in that having not played him since christmas we had somehow devalued him
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Post by Veritas on Aug 11, 2017 13:33:20 GMT
For £20m, it's got to be done. No way, without a ready made replacement of at least equal ability the price means nothing
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 11, 2017 14:00:05 GMT
Go back with an offer of Allen plus 15m for Sigurdsson. Now he would be a major upgrade. are we really valuing joe at 35m though? he's useful and should fetch plenty in this market but that's a little OTT isnt it? got to be 20-25m as a realistic evaluation Looking at it ano way:
Isn't jezzascfc 's (cheeky) point that, that values Sigurdsson @ £35m ?
Low for him but yes, high for Joe.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 11, 2017 14:12:56 GMT
are we really valuing joe at 35m though? he's useful and should fetch plenty in this market but that's a little OTT isnt it? got to be 20-25m as a realistic evaluation Looking at it ano way:
Isn't jezzascfc 's (cheeky) point that, that values Sigurdsson @ £35m ?
Low for him but yes, high for Joe.Exactly, low ball them on Siggi if they are desperate to get Joe back. We have something to offer them Leicester and Everton do not. Therefore, we have a better bargaining position. It could be a starting point at least.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2017 14:17:05 GMT
Looking at it ano way:
Isn't jezzascfc 's (cheeky) point that, that values Sigurdsson @ £35m ?
Low for him but yes, high for Joe. Exactly, low ball them on Siggi if they are desperate to get Joe back. We have something to offer them Leicester and Everton do not. Therefore, we have a better bargaining position. It could be a starting point at least. Would he be that arsed over a move to us though? If I was him, I'd desperately want the move to Everton.
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Post by bloody56 on Aug 11, 2017 14:19:20 GMT
Like Arnie, Joe Allen is worth at least 30M in the current market. We have no reason to sell cheaply. Swansea will not let Siggurdson go for less than 50M. We should get at least 30M for Allen. They would be using part of the Siggurdson money to finance the Allen deal. Lets cut out the middle man and offer Joe Allen and £20M for Siggurdson.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 11, 2017 14:31:55 GMT
20 million... that's made me think a little bit, so... Surely if Swansea did come in for him at 20 million Stoke may take a look at it...
Pffft. I dunno, he was an important player in the first half of last season, bit of a victim of his own initial success in the latter stages of the season.
I'm still in the keep him camp I think! Unless 25 million maybe... !
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 11, 2017 14:34:36 GMT
I wouldn't even contemplate it unless it was crazy money and we had someone already lined up. Other than that it sounds like the club have told them to do one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 14:35:22 GMT
If Swansea want him that badly we should tell them it's £30 million and nothing less.
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 11, 2017 14:37:31 GMT
are we really valuing joe at 35m though? he's useful and should fetch plenty in this market but that's a little OTT isnt it? got to be 20-25m as a realistic evaluation Recent transfer fees and benchmarks say differently mate He scored 6 goals from midfield whereas a 9 goal centre forward from Burnley with one year on his contract went for £18m Age, contract length etc says £30m minimum I certainly get the logic behind transfers at the moment but I just don't see how we can consider joe at 30m+. he's more important than arnautovic to the club? I think most will agree he has been pretty average, an early flurry of goals aside. there is talk of alexis moving for not much more than 35m. oxlade chamberlain for 25m....
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 11, 2017 14:37:36 GMT
Who would we replace him with who's going to be better for 20mil? I can't think of anyone. There might be some foreign players with good pedigree but it's always a risk. I'm 99% certain he'll still be here come September.
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