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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 10, 2017 10:09:54 GMT
You don't think the Hughes has the final say on whether his captain and longest serving player gets sold? Hughes has the final say on who should be captain If I was Ryan, I wouldn't be too happy when Mark Hughes frequently mentions Darren Fletcher as a good leader on the pitch What an absurd statement! Why can't Hughes say that? It's an observation many of us as fans have made in the handful of games we've seen Fletcher play in. Fletcher is undoubtedly a good leader on the pitch. 'IF' Ryan was so precious to be upset by comments like that then perhaps he's not confident in his own leadership abilities.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 10, 2017 10:11:28 GMT
Can't believe supporters screaming "take £10m". How the hell are we going to replace a consistent, home grown experienced Premier League CB for £10m in this market? It's just about 10 years to the day since Ryan arrived and I hope he'll be with us for another 3 or 4 seasons to come. I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. I don't get some of the reactions either, or the way some people judge a player. I haven't seen Onouha play for about 3 or 4 years. (Also my concern about Fabian Delph to be fair.) My reading of this, without any knowledge or facts about the contract situation, is that Ryan would prefer to stay and there is a degree of negotiation going on before a compromise is reached. Of all the current professional footballers around, Ryan comes across as being one of the decent guys. There is no rush for him to sort it - if he starts the season well in this new back 3, with the legs and footballing ability of Zoom and BMI alongside him, fit, in form and injury free, it places him in a stronger negotiating position with the club. Burnley clearly need to replace Michael Keane and have a few quid, and I'm sure they would like Ryan but I think the rest is paper talk. Ryan leaving now would be reminiscent of Jimmy going up the road...
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2017 10:11:33 GMT
Would be madness to let him go!
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2017 10:12:21 GMT
If Ryan leaves, perhaps we can sign Alan Suddick and give Brian Bithell a few games. Is John Tudor still available?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 10, 2017 10:15:19 GMT
I've given up trying to work out what's going on at the club right now. It's like when I switched off David Lynch's Dune after about 70 minutes in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2017 10:15:27 GMT
The fact that the club has hung a big flashing sign around his neck saying come and get me by letting him to get well into the final year of his contract is staggeringly incompetent. Not if the plan is to let him go. That's just a different sort of incompetence!
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 10, 2017 10:16:07 GMT
Depends on his back
So difficult to understand a problem like that
He's a good player, But a good player who could do his back in in october and be out for half season
put t it this way if bmi and onouah ( spelling?) arrive, he could be on his way with great respect and best wishes.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Aug 10, 2017 10:19:52 GMT
what about shawcross off loaded and Gibson in ?? young English and will get a good 10 years out of him !!
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Post by rockthecity on Aug 10, 2017 10:24:12 GMT
Lets just wait and see hey?
its the sun for crying out loud!
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 10, 2017 10:28:14 GMT
Let him go, been absolute shirt for years
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Post by thevoid on Aug 10, 2017 10:28:50 GMT
Lets just wait and see hey? its the sun for crying out loud! They're not always wrong. They're bang on the money when it comes to Geordie Shore 'tittle-tattle' 😂
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Post by rockthecity on Aug 10, 2017 10:29:48 GMT
Lets just wait and see hey? its the sun for crying out loud! They're not always wrong. They're bang on the money when it comes to Geordie Shore 'tittle-tattle' 😂 lol
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Post by pyrus on Aug 10, 2017 10:29:56 GMT
Christ! I've been in a meeting for an hour and I fully expected this thread to be on page 2 by the time I got out. I can't believe we're still going on about some page-filler stuff The Sun published on a slow news day.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 10, 2017 10:30:28 GMT
Can't believe supporters screaming "take £10m". How the hell are we going to replace a consistent, home grown experienced Premier League CB for £10m in this market? It's just about 10 years to the day since Ryan arrived and I hope he'll be with us for another 3 or 4 seasons to come. I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. Consistent? Consistent in what exactly? We were shit last season, and I guess other players and management playing daft tactics took away the spotlight from how utterly garbage Ryan was. Consistently shit would be the most accurate assumption of your post. If we are looking to sell Ryan, then the club will have a backup. Whether thats Bruno coming in, I dont know... but letting Ryan go for 10 million is fantastic business considering his contract 'situation'. Numerous fitness concerns, and let's be honest, form concerns.
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Post by philb on Aug 10, 2017 10:33:21 GMT
I've given up trying to work out what's going on at the club right now. It's like when I switched off David Lynch's Dune after about 70 minutes in. Bit like the current series of Twin Peaks 😳
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Post by philb on Aug 10, 2017 10:36:12 GMT
I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. Consistent? Consistent in what exactly? We were shit last season, and I guess other players and management playing daft tactics took away the spotlight from how utterly garbage Ryan was. Consistently shit would be the most accurate assumption of your post. If we are looking to sell Ryan, then the club will have a backup. Whether thats Bruno coming in, I dont know... but letting Ryan go for 10 million is fantastic business considering his contract 'situation'. Numerous fitness concerns, and let's be honest, form concerns. I think he means consistent in the time he's been here. Yes the last two seasons he hasn't been at his best but to say he's consistently shit is way off the mark and uncalled for imo.
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2017 10:42:35 GMT
I like Ryan's quiet, authoritative leadership style. His attitude is always spot on and he's been ably supported by Whelan as his lieutenant. Still believe he has plenty to offer & now surrounded by 2-3 other very capable lieutenants we could well now see him back to his best - if he's fully fit & stays fit. Despite his problems last season we should not underestimate his value to the club. Ryan epitomises the 'Stoke way' in terms of attitude, application, commitment and loyalty for me. Will all hinge on frank discussions between Sparky and Ryan
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2017 10:49:39 GMT
I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. Consistent? Consistent in what exactly? We were shit last season, and I guess other players and management playing daft tactics took away the spotlight from how utterly garbage Ryan was. Consistently shit would be the most accurate assumption of your post. If we are looking to sell Ryan, then the club will have a backup. Whether thats Bruno coming in, I dont know... but letting Ryan go for 10 million is fantastic business considering his contract 'situation'. Numerous fitness concerns, and let's be honest, form concerns. What are you on about? Have you quoted the right post?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 10, 2017 10:49:47 GMT
The fact that the club has hung a big flashing sign around his neck saying come and get me by letting him to get well into the final year of his contract is staggeringly incompetent. Not if the plan is to let him go. Is there even a plan?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2017 10:54:49 GMT
Christ! I've been in a meeting for an hour and I fully expected this thread to be on page 2 by the time I got out. I can't believe we're still going on about some page-filler stuff The Sun published on a slow news day. You have noticed that the origins of this thread started a week ago, long before anything appeared in the sun
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Post by DodgyDino on Aug 10, 2017 10:55:08 GMT
Letting Shawcross along with Walters and Whelan go is like ripping the heart out of the club. I'm not saying they shouldn't be moving players on but it seem too many changes in such a short period. We know that they are reliable players when called on will do a job. Bringing in New players you just never know how they are going to perform.... take imbula for instance and personally I don't think Hughes has got a brilliant track record bringing players to the club. Just seems too many changes in a short period and can be a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 10:57:32 GMT
I've given up trying to work out what's going on at the club right now. It's like when I switched off David Lynch's Dune after about 70 minutes in. Mulholland Drive more like 😬
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 10, 2017 10:58:48 GMT
It may be shawcross holding contract talks up, He might want to go, he'll know how shit he played last season and he might be thinking a new challenge will help him
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 10, 2017 11:05:25 GMT
If Ryan leaves, perhaps we can sign Alan Suddick and give Brian Bithell a few games. Is John Tudor still available? Bloody hell March - we really have had some shite playing for this football club mate? I actually went to John Tudor's debut - scored a brace if I remember rightly? Talk about flattering to deceive!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 10, 2017 11:12:25 GMT
I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. Consistent? Consistent in what exactly? We were shit last season, and I guess other players and management playing daft tactics took away the spotlight from how utterly garbage Ryan was. Consistently shit would be the most accurate assumption of your post. If we are looking to sell Ryan, then the club will have a backup. Whether thats Bruno coming in, I dont know... but letting Ryan go for 10 million is fantastic business considering his contract 'situation'. Numerous fitness concerns, and let's be honest, form concerns. Even when Ryan isn't at his imperious best, in my opinion, he's still a consistent 7-8/10 player every week. Taking away the nostalgia and what shred of romance is left in top flight football, for me Ryan stays for footballing reasons. Put him in a defence with Jack behind him, and with Zouma and BMI in a 3, with Fletcher in front, and that looks a fairly solid unit that will allow Ryan to do what he does best. Attack the ball, win his headers, mark his man, make his tackles and block shots. He has ball players around him and can give it simple. I think we might see Ryan back to being the Boss again in that set up. Like the player who returned from injury and beat up that jumped up bully Diego Costa.
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2017 11:18:26 GMT
Terms of the current contract and any future contract could be an issue. If Ryan has a clause in his contract saying he will be paid the same as the highest paid player at the Club - an increased salary if we signed another player on a higher fee - then this could be a stumbling block for the Club. I am not saying there is such a clause in Ryan's contract but it is reported. If Ryan was our best player (he has been - was but now?) then such a clause is understandable. The Club may be unhappy with such a clause if we are looking to recruit a higher level of player and this could be the stumbling block with a new contract? Just a though but like us all we do not know the actual detail. I don't think you're a million miles away here and it's good to see we have somebody in this thread thinking rationally about the Shawcross situation. I love Ryan to bits and if those are the terms of his current contract I have absolutely no problem with it. The problem is it can't go on forever and as you say it could be a stumbling block to attracting certain players to the club. It's difficult to see how we are going to tie down Ryan to a contract extension if the terms of his current contract make him the highest paid player at the club whoever we sign. It's certainly not in his interests is it? If he's going to stay at the club then it makes perfect sense to think that he'll sign a new contract at the end of the next transfer window when no further incoming players force the club to match or improve Ryan's wages. And while we've been offering every Tom, Dick and Harry a contract over the last few years, this is the only sane explanation while Ryan Shawcross's situation is currently up in the air.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Aug 10, 2017 11:22:41 GMT
If Ryan leaves, perhaps we can sign Alan Suddick and give Brian Bithell a few games. Is John Tudor still available? Bloody hell March - we really have had some shite playing for this football club mate? I actually went to John Tudor's debut - scored a brace if I remember rightly? Talk about flattering to deceive! Yes he's really scraped the bottom of the barrel there,Brian Bithell😖 In all my 50 odd years of watching Stoke, I have never seen anyone so totally out of his depth as that poor lad.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 10, 2017 11:24:56 GMT
Terms of the current contract and any future contract could be an issue. If Ryan has a clause in his contract saying he will be paid the same as the highest paid player at the Club - an increased salary if we signed another player on a higher fee - then this could be a stumbling block for the Club. I am not saying there is such a clause in Ryan's contract but it is reported. If Ryan was our best player (he has been - was but now?) then such a clause is understandable. The Club may be unhappy with such a clause if we are looking to recruit a higher level of player and this could be the stumbling block with a new contract? Just a though but like us all we do not know the actual detail. I don't think you're a million miles away here and it's good to see we have somebody in this thread thinking rationally about the Shawcross situation. I love Ryan to bits and if those are the terms of his current contract I have absolutely no problem with it. The problem is it can't go on forever and as you say it could be a stumbling block to attracting certain players to the club. It's difficult to see how we are going to tie down Ryan to a contract extension if the terms of his current contract make him the highest paid player at the club whoever we sign. It's certainly not in his interests is it? If he's going to stay at the club then it makes perfect sense to think that he'll sign a new contract at the end of the next transfer window when no further incoming players force the club to match or improve Ryan's wages. And while we've been offering every Tom, Dick and Harry a contract over the last few years, this is the only sane explanation while Ryan Shawcross's situation is currently up in the air. On that basis, could Ryan's advisors be suggesting that he fulfils his current contract until the end of this season or whenever, then negotiates a new contract with Stoke City. What's the incentive for him to change before he has to?
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2017 11:29:02 GMT
I don't think you're a million miles away here and it's good to see we have somebody in this thread thinking rationally about the Shawcross situation. I love Ryan to bits and if those are the terms of his current contract I have absolutely no problem with it. The problem is it can't go on forever and as you say it could be a stumbling block to attracting certain players to the club. It's difficult to see how we are going to tie down Ryan to a contract extension if the terms of his current contract make him the highest paid player at the club whoever we sign. It's certainly not in his interests is it? If he's going to stay at the club then it makes perfect sense to think that he'll sign a new contract at the end of the next transfer window when no further incoming players force the club to match or improve Ryan's wages. And while we've been offering every Tom, Dick and Harry a contract over the last few years, this is the only sane explanation while Ryan Shawcross's situation is currently up in the air. On that basis, could Ryan's advisors be suggesting that he fulfils his current contract until the end of this season or whenever, then negotiates a new contract with Stoke City. What's the incentive for him to change before he has to? Well, he shouldn't really need anybody advising him to do that should he? You would hope that there are some conversations going on behind the scenes though.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 10, 2017 11:31:02 GMT
Due to Ryan's recurrent back problems i wouldnt be too sad if Ryan leaves and we get Gibson
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