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Post by philb on Aug 1, 2017 20:08:37 GMT
it's strange how matches are interpreted by different people i saw him pushed off the ball a couple of times, yes, but only as he was running with the ball, and there was no one, not one red and striped shirt in sight who wanted the ball this is our problem, a huge lack of effort from the midfield and forwards was i the only one who saw him passing the ball through to the forwards, out to the wing backs, pass and go etc ... ? quite a few passes onto the edge of the box for people to line up to shoot, who eventually made a mess of it themselves funny old game It certainly is. When he came on Saturday he got a hero's welcome and for the time he was on the pitch he played well linking up with Shaq and Diouf. Yet tonight he seems to have been anonymous again. To be honest I don't think he's REALLY in Hughes plans long term anyway and will get shipped out when the time is right.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 1, 2017 20:09:51 GMT
it's strange how matches are interpreted by different people i saw him pushed off the ball a couple of times, yes, but only as he was running with the ball, and there was no one, not one red and striped shirt in sight who wanted the ball this is our problem, a huge lack of effort from the midfield and forwards was i the only one who saw him passing the ball through to the forwards, out to the wing backs, pass and go etc ... ? quite a few passes onto the edge of the box for people to line up to shoot, who eventually made a mess of it themselves funny old game He needs too play alongside players who keep him involved and are much stronger, take up better positions in the game The same applies to Adam and Imbula, the 3 of them together give no protection for the defence and tend to get in each others way Bojan plays better football alongside better players and we need to keep him here imo
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Post by mattface on Aug 1, 2017 20:28:53 GMT
Yes very much so - next question
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 1, 2017 20:38:42 GMT
Best player.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 1, 2017 20:41:10 GMT
Overhyped like fuck on here. Get him gone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 20:49:50 GMT
Plenty to offer by far the best finisher at the club.
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Post by Jimm on Aug 1, 2017 20:53:01 GMT
Swap him for Choi. He doesn't glide around like he used to. If he was a race horse, he'd be taken to the sales.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 20:58:06 GMT
You just can't afford to take to the field in the Prem with a player who plays with all the physicality of a 12 year old. Plenty of players in the PL who are the slight build, and Bojan had flourished before looking the same as he does now. Another target for the boo boys then. Classic. Like a lot of good playmakers, he needs other players to put effort in elsewhere to make space for him. Bojan had virtually no support from the midfield or the forwards today. I'd argue that Shaq is similiar in this regard, and he is, but Shaq is stronger and has slightly better feet. If we can accomodate him in this regard - which I feel we can - then he'll flourish. If not, I doubt he'll play for us come Aug 31st.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 1, 2017 21:00:02 GMT
Big issue , Big issue
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:04:01 GMT
If he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place then yes he has a future. But I don't think he has, and I think Shaqiri playing more centrally will be the nail in his coffin.....
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 1, 2017 21:05:47 GMT
If he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place then yes he has a future. But I don't think he has, and I think Shaqiri playing more centrally will be the nail in his coffin..... Why don't you think he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:06:11 GMT
Yes.
End of thread.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 1, 2017 21:07:25 GMT
no
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:10:01 GMT
If he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place then yes he has a future. But I don't think he has, and I think Shaqiri playing more centrally will be the nail in his coffin..... Why don't you think he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place? He won't start the season in the team and I can see him pushing for a move away before the deadline ends. Not in a disrespectful Arnie type of way I just think there will be a separation come the end of August, whether that's a loan or permanent depends on interest I guess. Hope I'm wrong would love to see him firing and he showed the odd glimpse at Bolton of the old Bojan, but my gut feeling says he'll spend the next few years of his career in La Liga with one of the mid-table teams....
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 21:15:45 GMT
You just can't afford to take to the field in the Prem with a player who plays with all the physicality of a 12 year old. Plenty of players in the PL who are the slight build, and Bojan had flourished before looking the same as he does now. Another target for the boo boys then. Classic. Like a lot of good playmakers, he needs other players to put effort in elsewhere to make space for him. Bojan had virtually no support from the midfield or the forwards today. I'd argue that Shaq is similiar in this regard, and he is, but Shaq is stronger and has slightly better feet. If we can accomodate him in this regard - which I feel we can - then he'll flourish. If not, I doubt he'll play for us come Aug 31st. I have seen players of a similar build flourish in the Prem but I've never seen ones that are as easy to take possession from flourish. Shaq is miles better at protecting the ball and imo has better vision also physical presence is lacking in CM behind which only exacerbates the problem when the player in that position is dispossessed it can tend to lead to goalscoring opportunities against us in very quick time.
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 21:18:53 GMT
Why don't you think he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place? He won't start the season in the team and I can see him pushing for a move away before the deadline ends. Not in a disrespectful Arnie type of way I just think there will be a separation come the end of August, whether that's a loan or permanent depends on interest I guess. Hope I'm wrong would love to see him firing and he showed the odd glimpse at Bolton of the old Bojan, but my gut feeling says he'll spend the next few years of his career in La Liga with one of the mid-table teams.... Maybe he's better off playing in a nice league like Joselu. If they want nice they might as well pack their bags for home because the Prem is many things but nice isn't one of them.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 1, 2017 21:23:12 GMT
Why don't you think he has the desire to knuckle down and fight for his place? He won't start the season in the team and I can see him pushing for a move away before the deadline ends. Not in a disrespectful Arnie type of way I just think there will be a separation come the end of August, whether that's a loan or permanent depends on interest I guess. Hope I'm wrong would love to see him firing and he showed the odd glimpse at Bolton of the old Bojan, but my gut feeling says he'll spend the next few years of his career in La Liga with one of the mid-table teams.... That doesn't really answer my question though... saying he doesn't have the desire to knuckle down seems to question his workrate or commitment, which I think is pretty unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 21:34:54 GMT
He won't start the season in the team and I can see him pushing for a move away before the deadline ends. Not in a disrespectful Arnie type of way I just think there will be a separation come the end of August, whether that's a loan or permanent depends on interest I guess. Hope I'm wrong would love to see him firing and he showed the odd glimpse at Bolton of the old Bojan, but my gut feeling says he'll spend the next few years of his career in La Liga with one of the mid-table teams.... That doesn't really answer my question though... saying he doesn't have the desire to knuckle down seems to question his workrate or commitment, which I think is pretty unfair. I'm not in tune with his thoughts though am I so it's only ever going to be gut feeling on my part isn't it? Only he knows where his head's at but I'll happily question his work rate, as on occasions last season I think it was lacking.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 1, 2017 21:39:46 GMT
Swap him for Choi. He doesn't glide around like he used to. If he was a race horse, he'd be taken to the sales. If he was a race horse he would now be a tube of bostick
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 1, 2017 21:50:43 GMT
That doesn't really answer my question though... saying he doesn't have the desire to knuckle down seems to question his workrate or commitment, which I think is pretty unfair. I'm not in tune with his thoughts though am I so it's only ever going to be gut feeling on my part isn't it? Only he knows where his head's at but I'll happily question his work rate, as on occasions last season I think it was lacking..... Seems unfounded to me but you're entitled to your gut feeling. Personally I don't think it's his commitment to the cause that's preventing him figuring in our starting lineup.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 1, 2017 22:17:03 GMT
He's spent at the top level.
He needs to go back to Spain and reinvent himself in a team where he'll be a big fish.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 1, 2017 23:33:50 GMT
He won't start the season in the team and I can see him pushing for a move away before the deadline ends. Not in a disrespectful Arnie type of way I just think there will be a separation come the end of August, whether that's a loan or permanent depends on interest I guess. Hope I'm wrong would love to see him firing and he showed the odd glimpse at Bolton of the old Bojan, but my gut feeling says he'll spend the next few years of his career in La Liga with one of the mid-table teams.... Maybe he's better off playing in a nice league like Joselu. If they want nice they might as well pack their bags for home because the Prem is many things but nice isn't one of them. On this one I agree. It's a physical league - you have put your body on the line to succeed, Bojan has a shed load of ability - but he doesn't appear to have that level of personal commitment to the cause, The players that have both are a rare breed.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 1, 2017 23:59:22 GMT
He's a busted flush. He's been sussed out. Time to move on!
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Post by kustokie on Aug 2, 2017 0:08:31 GMT
He needs a right footed left winger who runs into spaces in the box!
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Post by slother on Aug 2, 2017 1:34:22 GMT
It bugs me that he has the same physique as David Silva, he has the same technique as David Silva.
And yet! And yet...
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Post by nott1 on Aug 2, 2017 5:27:43 GMT
The last few games I've seen I'm sad to see Bojan being brushed aside, bullied and the ball taken from him quite easily. It happened again last night. He needs to get weight training or something! If this carries on he is finished at Stoke sorry to say!
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Post by j3st3r on Aug 2, 2017 5:48:50 GMT
The problem with these flair players like Bojan, even when hes confident and on form, is that they need other players on the same wavelength as them, who can anticipate the flicks and passes they will make, before they make them. With Arnie gone, we've lost someone who had that ability which will unfortunately make him even less effective than he already is. I lived in hope that as we progressed, we'd continue to add players of this caliber which would make him a core part of our team, but if anything (for now) we've taken a step back, which unfortunately makes players like Bojan a luxury we cant afford.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 2, 2017 5:57:33 GMT
Shaq at 10, Bojan as the poacher and drop Berahino
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 2, 2017 6:40:32 GMT
Shaq at 10, Bojan as the poacher and drop Berahino Won't happen. Hughes can't afford another flop, and will persevere with Berahino as a lone striker.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 2, 2017 7:57:56 GMT
Shaq at 10, Bojan as the poacher and drop Berahino Won't happen. Hughes can't afford another flop, and will persevere with Berahino as a lone striker. Well as Marleen once said about Boycey.... " he's firing more blanks that the Territorials"
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