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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 9, 2017 20:16:07 GMT
The thought of starting next season with Diouf in the squad is depressing. I'd of much rather had Walters in the squad than Diouf. I still don't know how he's a professional footballer. Sorry to be late entering this thread but just had to say that your comment is basically horse shit.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 9, 2017 20:52:38 GMT
Embarrassing - a striker being given a defensive position, because he's become utterly useless in front of goal. When did he become useless in front of goal? If he wasn't useless in front of goal, he would; a) Play up top on a regular basis b) Not be given a defensive role. He had a good goal tally in Germany and wasn't bad in his first season, but since then he's looked utterly clueless in from of goal. Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy and his effort/energy is there for all to see, but if we're relying on him to score a good ratio of goals, we may be in for a few problems.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2017 23:39:14 GMT
I would rather play NGoy or Tyrese Campbell. I used Cameron Jerome as a comparison because he was questioned amongst fans for being non-technical, I think he was better than Diouf, personally. Cameron Jerome looked like a dog chasing a balloon when he had the ball so your opinion of Diouf's ability with the ball must be pretty damn low. Tbf in that respect they could be twins.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2017 23:51:54 GMT
From Ade Akinbiyi to Camerone Jerome and now Mame Diouf we've done a line in these 'strikers' who are essentially ripped and toned 100 metres men first and footballers second.
They can terrorise all but the very best defences with their power and pace but none of them can play football to save their lives.
It ain't pretty but it kind of works at some level.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Jul 10, 2017 10:15:24 GMT
Stoke City 6 (six) Liverpool 1. Douff scored two, harried their back four into giving away possession for Adam's goal, took three defenders away with a diagonal run which created the space for N'Zonzi's goal and put in the cross for Crouchies goal.
So, yeah, just an athlete with no footballing skill !
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Jul 10, 2017 10:18:35 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 10:18:35 GMT
Stoke City 6 (six) Liverpool 1. Douff scored two, harried their back four into giving away possession for Adam's goal, took three defenders away with a diagonal run which created the space for N'Zonzi's goal and put in the cross for Crouchies goal. So, yeah, just an athlete with no footballing skill ! Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 10:38:26 GMT
Stoke City 6 (six) Liverpool 1. Douff scored two, harried their back four into giving away possession for Adam's goal, took three defenders away with a diagonal run which created the space for N'Zonzi's goal and put in the cross for Crouchies goal. So, yeah, just an athlete with no footballing skill ! Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Because not only was he exceptional in his own right he was masking how inadequate Glen Whelan is in a Premier League midfield, it seems to have taken our management 2 years to work that out.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:42:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 10:42:39 GMT
Stoke City 6 (six) Liverpool 1. Douff scored two, harried their back four into giving away possession for Adam's goal, took three defenders away with a diagonal run which created the space for N'Zonzi's goal and put in the cross for Crouchies goal. So, yeah, just an athlete with no footballing skill ! Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Not straight away it didn't...
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Jul 10, 2017 10:43:32 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 10:43:32 GMT
Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Because not only was he exceptional in his own right he was masking how inadequate Glen Whelan is in a Premier League midfield, it seems to have taken our management 2 years to work that out. Said it at the time, yet others argued with me and said it was the other way round! The reluctance to ditch the comfort blanket has held us back. It's make or break for Hughes, now, and midfield is key. Poor squad management must be addressed, and against all evidence, I think it will be.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:44:37 GMT
Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 10:44:37 GMT
Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Not straight away it didn't... Failed Van Ginkel experiment I think you'll find it did.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:45:23 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 10:45:23 GMT
Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Not straight away it didn't... It took teams time to realize we were playing with one in midfield........
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 10:45:46 GMT
Because not only was he exceptional in his own right he was masking how inadequate Glen Whelan is in a Premier League midfield, it seems to have taken our management 2 years to work that out. Said it at the time, yet others argued with me and said it was the other way round! The reluctance to ditch the comfort blanket has held us back. It's make or break for Hughes, now, and midfield is key. Poor squad management must be addressed, and against all evidence, I think it will be. I'm optimistic that he has chosen or been told to move on.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:07:24 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 10, 2017 11:07:24 GMT
Then we sold N'Zonzi, and it all went to shit. Because not only was he exceptional in his own right he was masking how inadequate Glen Whelan is in a Premier League midfield, it seems to have taken our management 2 years to work that out. Not quite but close. Whelan isnt inadequate and never has been, he just need's a mobile and positionally aware midfielder to cover the ground he can't. Allen could have been pefect.... Had he not spent his time dashing off and leaving that ground behind him. Cameron does a pretty decent job but is far too one dimensional to replace N'Zonzi as he completely lacks the ability to build play. Allen - Whelan - N'Zonzi - Could have been a brilliant midfield.... Swap out Fletcher for Whelan and I think we take a little bit of that building responsibility from the N'Zonzi role in that suggestion so can get away with a less tallented but still very mobile and athletic midfielder. Delph would be a solid choice I think, an upgrade over Cameron for me. Ideally I would like to see Allen drop behind the other two where his energy and movement could really kick start fast paced attacking football out of defense, rather than hoof ball.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:15:14 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 10, 2017 11:15:14 GMT
I really don't see Allen playing behind Fletcher and Delph, if the latter signed of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 11:56:06 GMT
Not straight away it didn't... Failed Van Ginkel experiment I think you'll find it did. Our midfield started to falter after Christmas. We were doing fine before then. Afellay, Geoff and Whelan did great in that golden month of matches - although yes I'll concede that it took a three-man midfield to cover for Zonz's absence.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 12:01:17 GMT
Failed Van Ginkel experiment I think you'll find it did. Our midfield started to falter after Christmas. We were doing fine before then. Afellay, Geoff and Whelan did great in that golden month of matches - although yes I'll concede that it took a three-man midfield to cover for Zonz's absence. It wasn't fine before then at all our form and centre mid play was pretty fucking poor before that purple patch as it was after it. It was a very short period, our midfield has been pretty horrific for two seasons since N'Zonzi left.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:23:02 GMT
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Post by redwhite on Jul 10, 2017 12:23:02 GMT
When did he become useless in front of goal? If he wasn't useless in front of goal, he would; a) Play up top on a regular basis b) Not be given a defensive role. He had a good goal tally in Germany and wasn't bad in his first season, but since then he's looked utterly clueless in from of goal. Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy and his effort/energy is there for all to see, but if we're relying on him to score a good ratio of goals, we may be in for a few problems. Basing how good someone is on how often Hughes plays them is very slippery logic given a lot of his decision making in his time here. I'm not going to pretend he's a technically brilliant player but he's shown he doesn't need to be to score goals. The few chances he has been given as a striker over the past couple of years we've looked a far better team for it. He may not be the future, but his lack of use has been absolutely criminal given who we've put in front of him.
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Post by interestedobserver on Jul 10, 2017 14:12:04 GMT
Clinical in front of goal or not, he managed to score quite a few for us when he first came. And more broadly, I think he really knew how to use his speed to stretch a defense and create space for his teammates. Humble, committed player with a great motor -- IMHO we have wasted him over the course of his tenure here.
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Jul 11, 2017 19:07:12 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 11, 2017 19:07:12 GMT
From Ade Akinbiyi to Camerone Jerome and now Mame Diouf we've done a line in these 'strikers' who are essentially ripped and toned 100 metres men first and footballers second. They can terrorise all but the very best defences with their power and pace but none of them can play football to save their lives. It ain't pretty but it kind of works at some level. If I could have been arsed to reason my argument this would have been my stance on the situation. Well said that man. All the physical attributes in the world, terrible footballer.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 11, 2017 19:19:56 GMT
I was very surprised by the tackle he pulled out of against Arsenal, last home game. He seemed to totally bottle it.
Are we seriously suggesting that we should start him ahead of Berahino?
Really likeable lad but overrated footballer
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Jul 11, 2017 19:20:33 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 11, 2017 19:20:33 GMT
Not bad squad player as long as he is not being forced to play at full back or the wing.
Not technically gifted but he has other attributes and he is the only player to get in double figures this last five years or so isn't he?
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Post by stantheman on Jul 11, 2017 19:33:21 GMT
I was very surprised by the tackle he pulled out of against Arsenal, last home game. He seemed to totally bottle it. Are we seriously suggesting that we should start him ahead of Berahino? Really likeable lad but overrated footballer That bottled tackle was the turning point of the game for me, almost like a goal for them. A Stoke player jumping out of a 50/50 tackle at Stoke. Oh how I miss seeing Adebeyor walking off the pitch because we had spent the whole game kicking the fook out of him.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:08:03 GMT
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Post by stokey127 on Jul 11, 2017 21:08:03 GMT
Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again Are you benjibiscuits son? Defo not although he does live near me Just believe Douif so shit if we put h on the market For £500 no premiership club would buy him
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Jul 11, 2017 21:10:33 GMT
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Post by stokey127 on Jul 11, 2017 21:10:33 GMT
Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again I think we have the complete box of tools on here today!! Are you the empty box ?
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Jul 11, 2017 21:31:09 GMT
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 11, 2017 21:31:09 GMT
I don't see how diouf can cause such heated Debate?
He must be one of the most straight forward easy to understand players ever... He does what it says on the tin
He absolutely definitely does not have the first touch as and ball skills of joselu or Bojan
But he has other qualities. He's quick and Brave, never ducks a challenge, never gives up
I have seen him getting stuck in and chucking his weight around in bad tempered AFCON games where the likes of joselu and Bojan wouldn't last five minutes.
If it's just not a game for joselu Bojan type players maybe it is a game for a diouf type player?
If you are going to have a squad then give yourself some options.
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Jul 11, 2017 21:35:05 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 11, 2017 21:35:05 GMT
I like diouf when he shoots instinctively without thinking, cos 9 times out of 10 it's on target. When he has time to think he lacks the composure and usually fluffs it.
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2017 21:37:06 GMT
I don't see how diouf can cause such heated Debate? He must be one of the most straight forward easy to understand players ever... He does what it says on the tin He absolutely definitely does not have the first touch as and ball skills of joselu or Bojan But he has other qualities. He's quick and Brave, never ducks a challenge, never gives up I have seen him getting stuck in and chucking his weight around in bad tempered AFCON games where the likes of joselu and Bojan wouldn't last five minutes. If it's just not a game for joselu Bojan type players maybe it is a game for a diouf type player? If you are going to have a squad then give yourself some options. Spot on.
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 11, 2017 21:38:14 GMT
Are you benjibiscuits son? Defo not although he does live near me Just believe Douif so shit if we put h on the market For £500 no premiership club would buy him What a knob you are
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Post by mjb2 on Jul 12, 2017 10:31:16 GMT
Most comments on this thread are very harsh. Diouf is the most underrated player in the squad who has been royally messed about by the management over recent years. His commitment is outstanding and his pace a major asset. I would love to see him given a proper run of games up front, paired with SB, and being "fed" by Bojan.
After the treatment he has received from MLH, most players would give up but he never hides or shirks. He is our best striking option as though he will miss chances, he is in the box at the right time and will convert a fair percentage.
Give the guy a break! And compare his effort with that from some of our so-called "stars"!
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Post by stokey127 on Jul 12, 2017 13:25:18 GMT
Defo not although he does live near me Just believe Douif so shit if we put h on the market For £500 no premiership club would buy him What a knob you are Yeah you are
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