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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 15:20:32 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2017 15:20:32 GMT
I think he means more than 10 in a season once. Trying to be objective their strike rates are identical, Diouf has 17 in 87 games (a goal every 5.1 games) and Walters has 43 in 226 (a goal every 5.2 games). Walters has done it over a much longer period of time and contributes more over the pitch as a whole since he is a decent footballer and less of an out and out striker. In Diouf's defence he has not been played in his preferred position in recent times but some will say that is because while he has pace he doesn't really have any of the basics like simple ball control. Personally I'd take SJW any day, I think anyone trying to be rational would. How does that look without penalties? Do penalties not count then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 15:20:39 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero. There is some shit spouted on here.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 15:22:43 GMT
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Post by stokey127 on Jul 9, 2017 15:22:43 GMT
The thought of starting next season with Diouf in the squad is depressing. I'd of much rather had Walters in the squad than Diouf. I still don't know how he's a professional footballer. Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
Im surprised at some of the cheap shots on here
e.g. 'not good enough for the premiership' ? --- Charlie Adam -- Maybe
but Diouf ? -------my big fat hairy arse !
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 9, 2017 15:46:22 GMT
The thought of starting next season with Diouf in the squad is depressing. I'd of much rather had Walters in the squad than Diouf. I still don't know how he's a professional footballer. Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again I think we have the complete box of tools on here today!!
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Post by liamo on Jul 9, 2017 16:00:24 GMT
Jesus fucking christ
Must be Dioufs turn today... better get up at the crack of dawn to get the Shawcross thread going
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:09:52 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 9, 2017 16:09:52 GMT
Guess the OP forgot this gem then.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:17:22 GMT
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 9, 2017 16:17:22 GMT
Would like to see him tried at full back again. Far better than anybody else there last season so worth a shot
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:22:12 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 9, 2017 16:22:12 GMT
I just hope the quality of football we play this season is in a completely different category to some of the pre-season shit posted on here.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:34:57 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 9, 2017 16:34:57 GMT
I'd honestly rather have Cameron Jerome up front. Same physical attributes and much better on the ball.
I thought he took a lot of unecesary flack when he wore the Red and White. If it was up to me Diouf would never play for Stoke again, first touch of an elephant and the technicality of a peanut.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 9, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
I'd honestly rather have Cameron Jerome up front. Same physical attributes and much better on the ball. I thought he took a lot of unecesary flack when he wore the Red and White. If it was up to me Diouf would never play for Stoke again, first touch of an elephant and the technicality of a peanut. You keep talking about players who are no longer at the club so how the hell can they take his place Your argument is nonsensical
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 9, 2017 16:40:29 GMT
I'd honestly rather have Cameron Jerome up front. Same physical attributes and much better on the ball. I thought he took a lot of unecesary flack when he wore the Red and White. If it was up to me Diouf would never play for Stoke again, first touch of an elephant and the technicality of a peanut. You keep talking about players who are no longer at the club so how the hell can they take his place Your argument is nonsensical I'd prefer Greenhoff up front say no 8 alongside Ritchie at no 9. Or how about Mark Stein up front? Or Ricardo Fuller with Mamade Sidibe alongside?
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:42:55 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 9, 2017 16:42:55 GMT
He's a good squad player who can fill in a number of positions, always gives 100% and has pace. I personally think his best position is on the right hand of a front 3 like Mane.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 16:47:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 16:47:39 GMT
He scored 12 league goals in his first season here, then was inexplicably dropped when we started to bring in the likes of Bojan and Shaqiri behind him, that would have created more chances for him!
He hasn't had a proper run of games up front since!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 17:03:04 GMT
For me, Hughes barely put a foot wrong until he started fannying around with Diouf. Then slowly but surely he started losing the plot all over the place.
Diouf isn't a great footballer, but he's got an instinct for being in the right place at the right time. Who cares if the ball goes in off his arse. His arse just knew it needed to be there at that point in time.
Then when you take his workrate into account and his more than useful performances at right back (his performance in the cup game v Chelsea was a highlight of that season for me), and I can't really see what's not to like.
The only reason I'd be pleased to see him leave would be for his sake so he could go to a club where he'd be used properly and appreciated.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:11:16 GMT
Post by alster on Jul 9, 2017 17:11:16 GMT
For me, Hughes barely put a foot wrong until he started fannying around with Diouf. Then slowly but surely he started losing the plot all over the place. Diouf isn't a great footballer, but he's got an instinct for being in the right place at the right time. Who cares if the ball goes in off his arse. His arse just knew it needed to be there at that point in time. Then when you take his workrate into account and his more than useful performances at right back (his performance in the cup game v Chelsea was a highlight of that season for me), and I can't really see what's not to like. The only reason I'd be pleased to see him leave would be for his sake so he could go to a club where he'd be used properly and appreciated. I think the bringing in the better players to feed him affected Hughes' thinking because these are ego players and when he messes it up as he will more times than he gets it right they stop feeding him and try to work it amongst themselves. He's the sort of player you just have to keep trying to put him away and accept his fuck ups. If you do that he'll get you goals.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:16:22 GMT
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Post by milky on Jul 9, 2017 17:16:22 GMT
He scored 12 league goals in his first season here, then was inexplicably dropped when we started to bring in the likes of Bojan and Shaqiri behind him, that would have created more chances for him! He hasn't had a proper run of games up front since! And yet when he has he has usually popped up with a goal..Chelsea away last season..Bournemouth away this season..yet I don't think Hughes has ever given him more than 2 games in a row up front. None of it makes any sense.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 9, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
I'd honestly rather have Cameron Jerome up front. Same physical attributes and much better on the ball. I thought he took a lot of unecesary flack when he wore the Red and White. If it was up to me Diouf would never play for Stoke again, first touch of an elephant and the technicality of a peanut. You keep talking about players who are no longer at the club so how the hell can they take his place Your argument is nonsensical I would rather play NGoy or Tyrese Campbell. I used Cameron Jerome as a comparison because he was questioned amongst fans for being non-technical, I think he was better than Diouf, personally.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:19:44 GMT
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Post by milky on Jul 9, 2017 17:19:44 GMT
I'd honestly rather have Cameron Jerome up front. Same physical attributes and much better on the ball. I thought he took a lot of unecesary flack when he wore the Red and White. If it was up to me Diouf would never play for Stoke again, first touch of an elephant and the technicality of a peanut. Now in Pulis final season when we had to endure Crouch and Walters up front and Shotton on the wing Jerome was criminally underused. Diouf is a better player though. In my opinion
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:23:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 17:23:00 GMT
For me, Hughes barely put a foot wrong until he started fannying around with Diouf. Then slowly but surely he started losing the plot all over the place. Diouf isn't a great footballer, but he's got an instinct for being in the right place at the right time. Who cares if the ball goes in off his arse. His arse just knew it needed to be there at that point in time. Then when you take his workrate into account and his more than useful performances at right back (his performance in the cup game v Chelsea was a highlight of that season for me), and I can't really see what's not to like. The only reason I'd be pleased to see him leave would be for his sake so he could go to a club where he'd be used properly and appreciated. I think the bringing in the better players to feed him affected Hughes' thinking because these are ego players and when he messes it up as he will more times than he gets it right they stop feeding him and try to work it amongst themselves. He's the sort of player you just have to keep trying to put him away and accept his fuck ups. If you do that he'll get you goals. Totally agree, and I've said in the past that he's made some fantastic runs throughout matches and been completely ignored. And much as I love watching Arnie and Shaq, the inverted winger thing must seriously piss our forwards off. Go down the line and stick balls in the box and Diouf would score every goal that Crouch does and more.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 17:32:47 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jul 9, 2017 17:32:47 GMT
How does that look without penalties? Do penalties not count then? It's not that but the thread seems centred around who is the most prolific striker and taking chances which I guess means from open play
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Jul 9, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
I like Diouf and never want to slag a Stoke player off,but if we are seriously thinking that he should be figuring at all next season, then we are fucked. Like a previous poster said,his control is appalling,his first touch is total wank and his finishing is laughable.Yeah,great goal versus Citeh etc etc but ffs if he's given chance to actually think about what to do next,he resembles me on a Sunday morning after a heavy night and too many reefers and the heavy feeling of Ive just got to get rid of the ball....anywhere will do. Like I say, we simply cannot pin or base our hopes around a so called "utility " player like Mama Diouf,it's small time,bad behaviour ......said a la Trump X
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 18:39:39 GMT
Post by luke45 on Jul 9, 2017 18:39:39 GMT
Why are people even judging Diouf on his goal contribution? Out of the 15 league starts he had last season only four were as a centre forward, the remaining 11 were either in a wide midfield or wing back role.
I expected him to leave in summer 2016 after a difficult period in his life when he tragically lost his mother, I'm delighted he stayed and showed how versatile he can be last season, I thought he produced some really good displays.
He has 12 months left on his contract and I'd be quite happy if we offered him a further year or two extension, easy to say when it's not my money of course but I still think he has plenty to offer.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
Post by redwhite on Jul 9, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
Embarrassing....you not him Embarrassing - a striker being given a defensive position, because he's become utterly useless in front of goal. When did he become useless in front of goal?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 9, 2017 18:56:20 GMT
Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again I think we have the complete box of tools on here today!! Ye gods and I thought Benjy was a weapon. Buy one get one free there.
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Post by primmerz on Jul 9, 2017 18:57:30 GMT
You keep talking about players who are no longer at the club so how the hell can they take his place Your argument is nonsensical I would rather play NGoy or Tyrese Campbell. I used Cameron Jerome as a comparison because he was questioned amongst fans for being non-technical, I think he was better than Diouf, personally. Cameron Jerome better than Diouf Incidentally, when Diouf was played in his correct position consistently, he was our top scorer and it was our best ever points tally in the premiership and one of the best seasons we've had. Bewildered how many people bash a striker than sticks the ball in the net when given a chance.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 19:12:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:12:18 GMT
I think the bringing in the better players to feed him affected Hughes' thinking because these are ego players and when he messes it up as he will more times than he gets it right they stop feeding him and try to work it amongst themselves. He's the sort of player you just have to keep trying to put him away and accept his fuck ups. If you do that he'll get you goals. Totally agree, and I've said in the past that he's made some fantastic runs throughout matches and been completely ignored. And much as I love watching Arnie and Shaq, the inverted winger thing must seriously piss our forwards off. Go down the line and stick balls in the box and Diouf would score every goal that Crouch does and more. Couldn't agree more. With the creative players we have we simply don't create anywhere near enough chances. Too much cutting inside and wanting too many touches of the ball. For Diouf see Berahino. If things don't change then we may as well start with Crouchie.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 19:14:01 GMT
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 9, 2017 19:14:01 GMT
The thought of starting next season with Diouf in the squad is depressing. I'd of much rather had Walters in the squad than Diouf. I still don't know how he's a professional footballer. Douif please go please go please go problem is know one would Want him why cause he is crap !!!! Why can Mark not see That he is total rubbish just like Jamie Rednap said surely he will not be seen in a Stoke City shirt again Are you benjibiscuits son?
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 19:41:41 GMT
Post by scfc75 on Jul 9, 2017 19:41:41 GMT
You keep talking about players who are no longer at the club so how the hell can they take his place Your argument is nonsensical I would rather play NGoy or Tyrese Campbell. I used Cameron Jerome as a comparison because he was questioned amongst fans for being non-technical, I think he was better than Diouf, personally. Cameron Jerome looked like a dog chasing a balloon when he had the ball so your opinion of Diouf's ability with the ball must be pretty damn low.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 9, 2017 19:54:29 GMT
I like Diouf energy and workrate, not a clinical finisher but will get into position and get some for us, like so many other players Hughes misuses or under uses the man uptop criminally. Diouf needs to be uptop this season!
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