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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:22:38 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jul 9, 2017 9:22:38 GMT
Walters is out second highest prem goalscorer behind crouch. So how do you figure that Diouf has scored double the amount of league goals for us? I think he means more than 10 in a season once. Trying to be objective their strike rates are identical, Diouf has 17 in 87 games (a goal every 5.1 games) and Walters has 43 in 226 (a goal every 5.2 games). Walters has done it over a much longer period of time and contributes more over the pitch as a whole since he is a decent footballer and less of an out and out striker. In Diouf's defence he has not been played in his preferred position in recent times but some will say that is because while he has pace he doesn't really have any of the basics like simple ball control. Personally I'd take SJW any day, I think anyone trying to be rational would. How does that look without penalties?
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:23:49 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 9:23:49 GMT
Diouf scored double league goals for us, Walters never managed that so how do you figure? Come off it - is there really any need to run through the numbers , importance and often, high quality, of the goals Walters scored. They are very different players so perhaps comparison is superfluous - but don't diminish the contribution of ability of Walters ( there are only so many corners you can back yourself into Bayern!) Imagine trying to compare strikers by the amount of goals they can score in the league of a season. The shame! I really dislike Walters and rather he hadn't played for us, that's my view on him, has been for ages, Why would that change?
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:24:51 GMT
Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2017 9:24:51 GMT
I think he means more than 10 in a season once. Trying to be objective their strike rates are identical, Diouf has 17 in 87 games (a goal every 5.1 games) and Walters has 43 in 226 (a goal every 5.2 games). Walters has done it over a much longer period of time and contributes more over the pitch as a whole since he is a decent footballer and less of an out and out striker. In Diouf's defence he has not been played in his preferred position in recent times but some will say that is because while he has pace he doesn't really have any of the basics like simple ball control. Personally I'd take SJW any day, I think anyone trying to be rational would. How does that look without penalties? Good point, I don't know, in fairness to him while he has scored a few he has won a few too.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:26:17 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 9, 2017 9:26:17 GMT
Nowt wrong with Diouf if used properly. He disrupts defender's very well and scores too. I think playing wise he has potentially been badly treated at Stoke.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:26:51 GMT
Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2017 9:26:51 GMT
Come off it - is there really any need to run through the numbers , importance and often, high quality, of the goals Walters scored. They are very different players so perhaps comparison is superfluous - but don't diminish the contribution of ability of Walters ( there are only so many corners you can back yourself into Bayern!) Imagine trying to compare strikers by the amount of goals they can score in the league of a season. The shame! I really dislike Walters and rather he hadn't played for us, that's my view on him, has been for ages, Why would that change? Well he has gone now so you have your way. Do you like Diouf? This is a thread about Diouf.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 9, 2017 9:27:11 GMT
Strange OP.
Diouf is probably the only player in the squad who has more boundless energy and puts in more effort than Walters. What's more he is a lot faster.
Unfortunately like Walters he is short on the technical skills. He is a good header but his first touch is poor. He shooting is wayward and like Walters few are on target. But also like Walters (that's the 3rd "like"!) he has the natural goal poacher's instinct of getting into scoring positions, unfortunately he usually muffs it.
I'd be very sorry to see Diouf go (as I am with Walters), but I would definitely keep him. There are worse being traded for silly amounts of money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 9:30:54 GMT
Imagine trying to compare strikers by the amount of goals they can score in the league of a season. The shame! I really dislike Walters and rather he hadn't played for us, that's my view on him, has been for ages, Why would that change? Well he has gone now so you have your way. Do you like Diouf? This is a thread about Diouf. Yes. He's been used terribly by the current manager and is about the best we can get up front with what we want to spend. 15 league goals a season man if played up front and consistently. Why we turn our nose up at that I do not know.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:34:41 GMT
Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2017 9:34:41 GMT
Well he has gone now so you have your way. Do you like Diouf? This is a thread about Diouf. Yes. He's been used terribly by the current manager and is about the best we can get up front with what we want to spend. 15 league goals a season man if played up front and consistently. Why we turn our nose up at that I do not know. I'm surprised, I saw you as more of a Joselu man. I think Diouf is terrible to watch since he has such a low skill level but is strangely effective, he does have pace and gets in there where it matters and is very decent in the air. Ideally I'd like to see us with someone much better but given what we have had available he should have played more, up front I mean.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:37:42 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 9, 2017 9:37:42 GMT
Forgetting scoring [even though there is no question that Diouf can score] his movement and strength alone make him dangerous. He has to be marked which means a lot of movement for the defensive player and that equals team goals for the likes of Arni IMO.
I will go as far to say that I don't think we have a better player for pulling defenders out of place else finding space.
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Post by redwhite on Jul 9, 2017 9:41:48 GMT
Diouf has been criminally underused by a man who chased him for so long. We are a much better team with him in it (up front). Very good player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 9:44:20 GMT
Yes. He's been used terribly by the current manager and is about the best we can get up front with what we want to spend. 15 league goals a season man if played up front and consistently. Why we turn our nose up at that I do not know. I'm surprised, I saw you as more of a Joselu man. I think Diouf is terrible to watch since he has such a low skill level but is strangely effective, he does have pace and gets in there where it matters and is very decent in the air. Ideally I'd like to see us with someone much better but given what we have had available he should have played more, up front I mean. I don't mind Joselu but he's a wet lettuce, he never really took the little chances he got and we never needed him. We still don't. Agree re Diouf's technical ability, it's crap and that is annoying but he knows how to score goals and he's a pain in the arse for any defender. He's quick, he makes good runs and he hustles and bustles. You don't even need to be accurate with the balls through for him as he can turn nothing into something. Yeah I'd like better too but I don't think that's going happen. So play to his strengths, through balls, crosses, balls into the channel. Stretch the play and let the footballers (Shaq, Arnie, Bojan, Verlinden, Ramadan) do their thing behind him in the space he's created.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 9:46:56 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jul 9, 2017 9:46:56 GMT
Still no sign of a new deal.
Wonder if we're prepared to let him run his contract down and let him go next summer? Along with Shawcross, he's really the only one there's been no word on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 10:39:34 GMT
Cannot criticise this fella - always gives his all, no matter if - when - or where selected
always does a job for us
always gives his best
a quality player too - at times
with a really good, professional attitude as far as I can see
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
With Walters gone he should get more opportunities
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 12:44:00 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 12:44:00 GMT
Walters averaged about 4/5 goals a season over his time at Stoke. Diouf ain't a Premiership standard player either.
Walters can be replaced with better,Diouf needs replaced with better. That also goes for the likes of Whelan,Johnson,and Pieters.
Walters has gone,the other 4 have to follow him out the door if we want to progress. All this talk about who is better, Walters or Diouf,in my book neither were/are good enough.
We have the money,just go out and upgrade all the above mentioned players and there should be no reason we can't make the top 8.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 12:56:37 GMT
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Post by xnfourt on Jul 9, 2017 12:56:37 GMT
Diouf is a better right back than striker...
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 9, 2017 13:00:03 GMT
If we actually played to Diouf's strengths then he would get into double figures and be our top scorer every season without a doubt, unfortunately this last 18 months we have created so few chances and our crossing has been THAT piss poor Messi would fail to score in our side!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 9, 2017 13:03:44 GMT
Different type of players Diouf can be effective if we played to his strengths more by moving the ball forward quicker . He will always frustrate but still get his share of goals. I don't think he suits the slow build up play .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 9, 2017 13:44:24 GMT
I'm surprised, I saw you as more of a Joselu man. I think Diouf is terrible to watch since he has such a low skill level but is strangely effective, he does have pace and gets in there where it matters and is very decent in the air. Ideally I'd like to see us with someone much better but given what we have had available he should have played more, up front I mean. I don't mind Joselu but he's a wet lettuce, he never really took the little chances he got and we never needed him. We still don't. Agree re Diouf's technical ability, it's crap and that is annoying but he knows how to score goals and he's a pain in the arse for any defender. He's quick, he makes good runs and he hustles and bustles. You don't even need to be accurate with the balls through for him as he can turn nothing into something. Yeah I'd like better too but I don't think that's going happen. So play to his strengths, through balls, crosses, balls into the channel. Stretch the play and let the footballers (Shaq, Arnie, Bojan, Verlinden, Ramadan) do their thing behind him in the space he's created. That last sentence sums up our problems last season. We didn't do enough of that, and it made all our strikers look inept. You have to give them something to feed off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 14:31:46 GMT
I don't mind Joselu but he's a wet lettuce, he never really took the little chances he got and we never needed him. We still don't. Agree re Diouf's technical ability, it's crap and that is annoying but he knows how to score goals and he's a pain in the arse for any defender. He's quick, he makes good runs and he hustles and bustles. You don't even need to be accurate with the balls through for him as he can turn nothing into something. Yeah I'd like better too but I don't think that's going happen. So play to his strengths, through balls, crosses, balls into the channel. Stretch the play and let the footballers (Shaq, Arnie, Bojan, Verlinden, Ramadan) do their thing behind him in the space he's created. That last sentence sums up our problems last season. We didn't do enough of that, and it made all our strikers look inept. You have to give them something to feed off. Yup! It was all too slow, there was no stretching of the play and we rarely got in behind teams.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:35:18 GMT
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Post by bhp on Jul 9, 2017 14:35:18 GMT
Walters averaged about 4/5 goals a season over his time at Stoke. Diouf ain't a Premiership standard player either. Walters can be replaced with better,Diouf needs replaced with better. That also goes for the likes of Whelan,Johnson,and Pieters. Walters has gone,the other 4 have to follow him out the door if we want to progress. All this talk about who is better, Walters or Diouf,in my book neither were/are good enough. We have the money,just go out and upgrade all the above mentioned players and there should be no reason we can't make the top 8. Agree regarding Whelan and Johnson. We can finish 8th without spending big money.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:38:10 GMT
Post by stokie1954 on Jul 9, 2017 14:38:10 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:40:20 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jul 9, 2017 14:40:20 GMT
Diouf is a decent striker when he doesn't have time to think about it. But he'll be playing second fiddle to Berahino, which means he'll either be sitting in the bench or stuck out on the right wing when Shaqiri is injured, which occurs about 50% of the time. As a RWB, Diouf is not bad defending but next to useless going forward because his first touch and dribbling skills are poor. The gaps in the squad are there for all to see and the biggest holes are in the right side. Shaqiri is much better playing inside but has to play on the RW because he's the best available when he's fit. Shaq is not a great defender, which puts a lot of pressure on Bardsley or Johnson. It would be the same shambles as last season, if this season were to start now, but it's early days. Fingers and toes crossed that the board will splash the cash and the transfer team will bring home the bacon. (Triumph of hope over experience?)
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:41:40 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Jul 9, 2017 14:41:40 GMT
Embarrassing....you not him Embarrassing - a striker being given a defensive position, because he's become utterly useless in front of goal.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:42:34 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2017 14:42:34 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero. No one could make Bamber look a footballer never mind Aguero.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:48:33 GMT
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Post by rdf10 on Jul 9, 2017 14:48:33 GMT
His performance vs Chelsea in the cup was all heart. He's a nuisance and he'll score. Impact player or not he's well worth keeping.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 9, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero. That would be the very same Dave Bamber (3 career top flight goals) whose ability to miss even the simplest goal scoring chances helped condemn us to several seasons in the Third Division would it? Jesus wept.
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 15:01:35 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Jul 9, 2017 15:01:35 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero. That would be the very same Dave Bamber (3 career top flight goals) whose ability to miss even the simplest goal scoring chances helped condemn us to several seasons in the Third Division would it? Jesus wept. I remember Bamber being clean through on goal, only the keeper to beat. He 'thought' be heard a whistle, and thought the linesman had flagged for offside, so he stopped and gave their keeper the ball. The only problem being that was no whistle and no flag! I remember a front cover of the Oatacake with him and Cliff Carr with the title 'Twins'!
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Diouf
Jul 9, 2017 15:02:11 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 9, 2017 15:02:11 GMT
If we have to rely on Diouf to improve our pathetic goal return then we are in real trouble. He is no way good enough for this level. Makes Bamber look like Aguero. Why is it so difficult for people to see that its not our strikers that are the problem? Its the lack of creativity from the wings and midfield! Its like ground hog day on here sometimes and I am sure some of you havent the foggiest idea of how football works!!
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 9, 2017 15:17:04 GMT
I love watching Diouf play, as someone said earlier "he's all heart." There's a common feeling that his first touch is piss poor but his speed, agility and determination often negate this. He misses chances but all strikers do, I think a lot of you need to come to terms that natural strikers like Steino and Thorne are few are far between and Diouf brings a lot to the team. Another massive positive about Diouf for me is the fact that he isn't called upon very often but when he is he plays to the very best of his ability and you never hear him moaning about lack of first team games, he's a good and underrated lad!
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