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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 27, 2017 8:35:01 GMT
On only employing British managers?
Lets face it, if Mark Hughes has a very poor start to the season again, his time could be up,if it is, there really isn't any decent British managers who are available.
So going for a foreign manager could be a better option.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 27, 2017 8:47:17 GMT
He dunna trust them foreigners
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 9:25:13 GMT
He dunna trust them foreigners I thought he loves them open boarders?.....and of course the cheap labour it brings  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 27, 2017 9:32:52 GMT
I think Sean Dyche would be a good appointment, if it came to it.
Given the start that we've got, I don't think Hughes will be asked serious questions about his future until Christmas. Even if we reach October and have no points, it can be put down to our typical slow start and a horrible run of fixtures.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 27, 2017 9:45:27 GMT
I'm not sure if its true but it does appear that a lot of the foreign coaches are very professional , I was reading about the bloke who has just taken over at Southampton and he does sound really impressive .
I can see Pete bringing Big Sam out of retirement to pull us out of the shit round about November if we dont make a few decent signings
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 27, 2017 10:02:58 GMT
I think Sean Dyche would be a good appointment, if it came to it. Given the start that we've got, I don't think Hughes will be asked serious questions about his future until Christmas. Even if we reach October and have no points, it can be put down to our typical slow start and a horrible run of fixtures. Sean Dyche is just a younger Pulis isn't he? Not sure the Arnies and Shaqs of the world would respond especially favourably. The best managers are from overseas for much the same reason the best players are - we don't have a culture here of thinking tactically about the game. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 27, 2017 10:38:29 GMT
Don't worry. There is actually a prepared short list drawn up of six potential continental Managers. But before we can interview each of them we need to accommodate an interpreter, a couple of agents, a chef, a fashion consultant, a personal lifestyle trainer and a guy to look after the large brown envelope.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 27, 2017 10:44:36 GMT
Don't worry. There is actually a prepared short list drawn up of six potential continental Managers. But before we can interview each of them we need to accommodate an interpreter, a couple of agents, a chef, a fashion consultant, a personal lifestyle trainer and a guy to look after the large brown envelope. That last one could be Big Sam |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2017 10:54:16 GMT
Because it's his football club?
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Post by alster on Jun 27, 2017 10:55:22 GMT
I think Sean Dyche would be a good appointment, if it came to it. Given the start that we've got, I don't think Hughes will be asked serious questions about his future until Christmas. Even if we reach October and have no points, it can be put down to our typical slow start and a horrible run of fixtures. Sean Dyche is just a younger Pulis isn't he? Not sure the Arnies and Shaqs of the world would respond especially favourably. The best managers are from overseas for much the same reason the best players are - we don't have a culture here of thinking tactically about the game. I don't think that British managers aren't tactical, I just think that they tend to be tactically conservative. British youth grassroots football is very physically orientated and results are the be all and end all. They try to replicate a top end of the pro game mentality, which doesn't develop the more technical slower maturing players as well as it should. As an example if Luca Modric(one of the finest midfielders of his generation) was English I'd bet money he wouldn't have made it into the pro ranks never mind achieve everything he has in the game, Antoine Griezmann? The managers we produce have been bought up through that system and are as much victims of it as the national team. Also the money in the game means so few venture abroad to play in other leagues and see different ways of working. I love the Prem and English football, I enjoy watching it far more than the other big leagues but there are things to learn from the French, Spanish, Croatian and Obviously German games if we want to compete against them and win. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 27, 2017 12:03:02 GMT
Sean Dyche is just a younger Pulis isn't he? Not sure the Arnies and Shaqs of the world would respond especially favourably. The best managers are from overseas for much the same reason the best players are - we don't have a culture here of thinking tactically about the game. I don't think that British managers aren't tactical, I just think that they tend to be tactically conservative. British youth grassroots football is very physically orientated and results are the be all and end all. They try to replicate a top end of the pro game mentality, which doesn't develop the more technical slower maturing players as well as it should. As an example if Luca Modric(one of the finest midfielders of his generation) was English I'd bet money he wouldn't have made it into the pro ranks never mind achieve everything he has in the game, Antoine Griezmann? The managers we produce have been bought up through that system and are as much victims of it as the national team. Also the money in the game means so few venture abroad to play in other leagues and see different ways of working. I love the Prem and English football, I enjoy watching it far more than the other big leagues but there are things to learn from the French, Spanish, Croatian and Obviously German games if we want to compete against them and win. I agree with most of that but I do think the reason so many are tactically conservative is that it's easier to grind out results that way. If your expectations are just survival every year that's great but if you want to go for the upper echelons, generally, you have to be a bit braver. Unless you're just the absolute tactical master of anti-football like Mourinho and obsess over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:22:02 GMT
Because it's his football club? That doesn't answer the question. It becomes a valid point, if we reach the stage with MH where we have to part ways. The list of available British managers is a pretty depressing one at any given moment in time; which could, of course, mean that MH is given more time than usual if it's not going well. I'm not sure there's a 'policy' but if there were one, it would be a bit short-sighted. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2017 12:23:28 GMT
His main criteria is Premier League experience
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:39:57 GMT
Johnny Foreigner...
Do YOU trust 'em?
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 27, 2017 12:40:00 GMT
Look at the finishing positions last season. The top 7 clubs all had foreign managers. I think the whole system of training youngsters is better in countries such as Holland, Spain and Portugal than it is in the U.K. We are wedded to old fashioned ways of doing things. I don't like the idea of identifying youngsters at an early age and the more or less controlling what sports they can try for the next 10 years. Most are spat out at 14 or 16 and told "you can't make the grade, son" when they could have done well in e.g rugby, hockey or athletics.
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Post by alster on Jun 27, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
His main criteria is Premier League experience Why how many managers with Premier League experience has he appointed? |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2017 12:44:34 GMT
Because it's his football club? That doesn't answer the question. It becomes a valid point, if we reach the stage with MH where we have to part ways. The list of available British managers is a pretty depressing one at any given moment in time; which could, of course, mean that MH is given more time than usual if it's not going well. I'm not sure there's a 'policy' but if there were one, it would be a bit short-sighted. Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It seems we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. |
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Post by alster on Jun 27, 2017 12:49:20 GMT
That doesn't answer the question. It becomes a valid point, if we reach the stage with MH where we have to part ways. The list of available British managers is a pretty depressing one at any given moment in time; which could, of course, mean that MH is given more time than usual if it's not going well. I'm not sure there's a 'policy' but if there were one, it would be a bit short-sighted. Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It semms we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2017 12:55:07 GMT
Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It semms we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? Sol Campbell  |
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jun 27, 2017 13:12:15 GMT
When did Peter Coates say he would insist on only employing a British manager?
Do you have the quote?
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2017 13:14:45 GMT
Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It semms we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? Plenty of good managers knocking around in the lower leagues that will never get a crack at the prem as it is deemed too bigger a risk. |
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Post by alster on Jun 27, 2017 13:19:25 GMT
Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? Plenty of good managers knocking around in the lower leagues that will never get a crack at the prem as it is deemed too bigger a risk. Go on then who are they? Rowett could give himself a chance by getting promoted as Howe has done. Surely they have to earn it. |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2017 13:49:44 GMT
Plenty of good managers knocking around in the lower leagues that will never get a crack at the prem as it is deemed too bigger a risk. Go on then who are they? Rowett could give himself a chance by getting promoted as Howe has done. Surely they have to earn it. Rowett is a prime example, doing a great job and sacked in favour of a foreign coach all be it one who is a big name in football. Neal Ardley 44 just got AFC Wimbledon promoted plying his trade in the lower division, Phil Parkinson although late 40's still realatively young in managment terms just got Bolton into the championship to name a few. Some will say yes shit leagues but how do you know if they can do it at a higher level unless you give them the oppertunity? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 27, 2017 14:15:02 GMT
That doesn't answer the question. It becomes a valid point, if we reach the stage with MH where we have to part ways. The list of available British managers is a pretty depressing one at any given moment in time; which could, of course, mean that MH is given more time than usual if it's not going well. I'm not sure there's a 'policy' but if there were one, it would be a bit short-sighted. Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It seems we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. Are we all bemoaning the lack of opportunities for them? The best British managers generally get a chance at a bigger club. They're just being outperformed by foreign managers. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 27, 2017 14:17:21 GMT
Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? Plenty of good managers knocking around in the lower leagues that will never get a crack at the prem as it is deemed too bigger a risk. They get a crack when they get their team promoted to it? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Are you arguing Neal Ardley or Phil Parkinson should get a Premier League job? |
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Post by superheroantonius on Jun 27, 2017 14:46:45 GMT
Look down the years and you'll see that he's never appointed a non British manager, maybe he's a traditionalist, it answers the question to a point, it's his club and he'll run it how he wants. It semms we are all bemoaning the lack of oppertunities for young British managers in the prem yet we are all fixated on bringing in a foreign one. Who are these young British managers who have demonstrated their competency and deserve a crack at a top job and have never got an opportunity? I am not sure about this... If they don't get the opportunity how will we know if they are any good When brits like brian clough, bob paisley and alex ferguson did get the chance to pick their brains against the best in europe my recollection is that they did well. |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2017 14:59:04 GMT
Plenty of good managers knocking around in the lower leagues that will never get a crack at the prem as it is deemed too bigger a risk. They get a crack when they get their team promoted to it? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Are you arguing Neal Ardley or Phil Parkinson should get a Premier League job? No all i'm saying is that there are young/youngish British managers in the lower leagues who are doing very good jobs at their clubs and will maybe be get over looked by the premier/top championship clubs in favour of often unknown foreign managers, and we might never know if they are good enough or not. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Jun 27, 2017 15:06:55 GMT
Perhaps is recollection is that...
Tony Pulis joined us from plymouth argyle
Lou macari joined us from Birmingham city
And Tony waddington joined us as a coach from crewe alexandra
Maybe he thinks they were all British and all did a good job
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Post by gibby1409 on Jun 27, 2017 15:08:36 GMT
If PC decides that MH isn't providing the results we need, then believe me his feet won't touch the ground!
PC is a ruthless self made billionaire who won't hesitate to make the call. What he won't do is make any knee jerk decisions because he, like all good businessmen thinks things through.
If that point comes, then PC will offer the job to who he feels is the best man available. SCFC manager is a coveted job nowadays, well run, appropriate funds, good fan Base, improved stadium, and above all stability. Two managerial appointments since 2006 is the kind of job security managers need.
But going back to the original point in this thread, imo PC won't bother where the manager comes from, as long as he feels he's the right man for the job.
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Post by ratters on Jun 27, 2017 15:11:03 GMT
His main criteria is Premier League experience Why how many managers with Premier League experience has he appointed? 1 but he has only needed to employ 1 |
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