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Post by numpty40 on Aug 14, 2019 11:16:50 GMT
It's quite amazing how all these remainers seem totally pissed off that employment levels are at record highs. They were really hoping that hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs following the vote so that they could say 'told you so' Fucking sad really.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 11:18:06 GMT
Can anyone give examples of where the EU has stopped the UK from being independent? Sovereign? or Democratic?
The conditions of being a member (i.E collective trade agreements and membership fees don't count).
We still have our own army, we still have the pound and we're not part of the Shengan agreement. So that's 3 things we haven't been forced to do.
So what are the real life examples of France and Germany forcing something on the UK?
No hypothetical future examples please. No talk of ever closer union. Just real cases that have happened already that support the argument that we'll have no independence, sovereignty or democracy in the UK in the future.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 11:24:31 GMT
It's quite amazing how all these remainers seem totally pissed of that employment levels are at record highs. They were really hoping that hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs following the vote so that they could say 'told you so' Fucking sad really. What's sad mate is that you clearly can't read or comprehend what people have written. No one's said that they're unhappy with a high unemployment rate. Not one single person. So why write bullshit like that. I would explain the context of the discussion but it's pretty much guaranteed you wouldn't grasp it.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 11:25:04 GMT
i think it’s fair to say some leave campaigners did campaign on softer forms of brexit, I do remember farage and others suggesting Norway options etc, Daniel hannan saying “it ludicrous to suggest our place in the single market will be at risk” etc but I think most leave voters voted for a clean break from the EU, out kit and caboodle and the question was “in or out” not “in a little bit, out a little bit” Essentially people voted no deal (which isn’t really no deal, we’ll still trade with Europe) Yuu might be right, but even if "most people" voted for leaving with no deal it doesn't mean no deal is the will of the people. Even if 96% of leave voters did vote for no deal, it means there was not a majority for leaving with no deal in the 2016 referendum. By all means if people think leaving with no deal is the best method then that is of course fine - everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's the people (and this isn't aimed at you, it was just your post that reminded me of the point) that claim that they know it is the will of the people that are incorrect. It could be the will of the people, but we'll never know unless we have a referendum specifically on a no deal exit. Without it, we're all just guessing at what the will of the people is in terms of how we leave the EU (the fact that we leave the EU was decided back in 2016).
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 14, 2019 11:28:18 GMT
It's quite amazing how all these remainers seem totally pissed of that employment levels are at record highs. They were really hoping that hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs following the vote so that they could say 'told you so' Fucking sad really. What's sad mate is that you clearly can't read or comprehend what people have written. No one's said that they're unhappy with a high unemployment rate. Not one single person. So why write bullshit like that. I would explain the context of the discussion but it's pretty much guaranteed you wouldn't grasp it. You do seem very angry
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Post by Northy on Aug 14, 2019 11:31:55 GMT
we were told over 3 years ago that if we voted to leave then immediately there would be a recession, 800,000 job losses, 10% drop in house prices, and that is just the conservative numbers, were George Osbornes words, stood next to Cameron. People were prepared to risk it for what they believed in. We all know now it was project fear and the exact opposite happened. Even if that is the case, the exact opposite of what the leave campaign said would happen also happened. In fact, nothing either side said would happen has happened. I'm not sure what you mean by what they believe in? We already have everything. What more do people really expect? There's this false sense of injustice that leavers seem to have where they seem to blame the EU for all of life's problems. Like we've been at war, or occupied, or oppressed for the past 30 years by Hitler or Napoleon. You only need to look at what's happening in many other parts of the world to see how fortunate we are in the UK - and to have our peaceful EU neighbours. People who moan about sovereignty and democracy really need to get a grip of reality and look at the state of the world and where it's heading. People from Africa, the middle East, Palestine, Kashmir and even Hong Kong must find the notion that we're complaining about that laughable, if not insulting. Those places have real problems and real issues with democracy, independence and sovereignty. We don't. The Britain of 60 years ago where everyone was British and towns flourished with local butchers, bakers and candlestick makers sadly doesn't exist anymore and never will. The world has moved on, and so too has the UK. For better or worse (likely) that's the reality of the situation, and running away from the EU rather than trying to be part of it is not going to benefit us or them. ---- Let's look at money... Apparently we didn't have the funds to improve the NHS as we were sending it all to Brussels. If that's the case then where did all this money being spent now come from? On top of the 'divorce bill' as well. This seems to be conveniently ignored by leavers, yet isn't that one of the main things they voted for? To have this kind of money invested in the UK public services. On top of the investments in police (only back to what it was 9 years ago), border control and prison spaces, we've magically mustered up billions (6 billion and counting) just to pay for the 'impact' of a no deal Brexit and to supplement the industries that will be damaged as a result. I wonder how long those support payments will actually last and why this money was never used before? It certainly wasn't the EU who held it back and decided to keep it in the bank. It was the UK government. ---- The referendum was a joke from start to finish. I honestly don't care what was said by either side as it was all populist propaganda bullshit. People can moan about project fear and all the bollocks that's still being spouted today if they please, but we're past that stage and all I'm interested in is what's best for the UK now. ..and in my opinion I don't think standing alone is an option. It's either get into bed with the EU (remain) or get into bed with the US (leave).. and I much prefer to get into bed with someone who's going to let me have some say over what positions we're going to do. (the EU) Even if that is the case, the exact opposite of what the leave campaign said would happen also happenedIm a bit confused, do you mean that they said we'd leave and we didn't ?
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 11:34:36 GMT
I believe in an EU in which the UK takes a strong leading role, with Germany, with France, with other strong EU economic countries to create something which serves the greater good of Europe (including the UK). I don't believe the UK can stand alone in the world today and I firmly believe that we will get taken advantage of by other economic powers (US for example) after Brexit. Bojo and co will sign whatever deals they can just to make it 'look' like we've come out of Brexit in better shape than when we were in it, but at what future cost. They'll be long gone by that time. A bit like Cameron is now. Being part of the EU is good, not bad, and certainly not as repressive as some people on here make out. The EU cannot just decide that it wants an EU army without our consent. It cannot make unilateral decisions without the agreement of it's members. All these ideas are exactly that.... just 'Ideas' put forward for discussion and debate. What makes us less capable of standing alone than, say, Canada ? Lots of countries thrive despite not being a part of the EU. Well, Canada is already in bed with the US and to be honest I wouldn't like to be in their position having to accept whatever agreements the US demands of them and getting involved in political games (Hauwei issue). They rely a lot on the US. They also have an abundance of natural resources and agriculture which we don't. Around 80% of our GDP is made up of services revenue. Also, with Canada, their main trade agreements are with their neighbours. Not with countries on the other side of the planet. Yes we could stand alone, but my concern is that it could make us much weaker and we will suffer in the long term for it. The last thing I want is for us to leave the EU, only to then be exploited by the US.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 11:36:19 GMT
Even if that is the case, the exact opposite of what the leave campaign said would happen also happened. In fact, nothing either side said would happen has happened. I'm not sure what you mean by what they believe in? We already have everything. What more do people really expect? There's this false sense of injustice that leavers seem to have where they seem to blame the EU for all of life's problems. Like we've been at war, or occupied, or oppressed for the past 30 years by Hitler or Napoleon. You only need to look at what's happening in many other parts of the world to see how fortunate we are in the UK - and to have our peaceful EU neighbours. People who moan about sovereignty and democracy really need to get a grip of reality and look at the state of the world and where it's heading. People from Africa, the middle East, Palestine, Kashmir and even Hong Kong must find the notion that we're complaining about that laughable, if not insulting. Those places have real problems and real issues with democracy, independence and sovereignty. We don't. The Britain of 60 years ago where everyone was British and towns flourished with local butchers, bakers and candlestick makers sadly doesn't exist anymore and never will. The world has moved on, and so too has the UK. For better or worse (likely) that's the reality of the situation, and running away from the EU rather than trying to be part of it is not going to benefit us or them. ---- Let's look at money... Apparently we didn't have the funds to improve the NHS as we were sending it all to Brussels. If that's the case then where did all this money being spent now come from? On top of the 'divorce bill' as well. This seems to be conveniently ignored by leavers, yet isn't that one of the main things they voted for? To have this kind of money invested in the UK public services. On top of the investments in police (only back to what it was 9 years ago), border control and prison spaces, we've magically mustered up billions (6 billion and counting) just to pay for the 'impact' of a no deal Brexit and to supplement the industries that will be damaged as a result. I wonder how long those support payments will actually last and why this money was never used before? It certainly wasn't the EU who held it back and decided to keep it in the bank. It was the UK government. ---- The referendum was a joke from start to finish. I honestly don't care what was said by either side as it was all populist propaganda bullshit. People can moan about project fear and all the bollocks that's still being spouted today if they please, but we're past that stage and all I'm interested in is what's best for the UK now. ..and in my opinion I don't think standing alone is an option. It's either get into bed with the EU (remain) or get into bed with the US (leave).. and I much prefer to get into bed with someone who's going to let me have some say over what positions we're going to do. (the EU) Even if that is the case, the exact opposite of what the leave campaign said would happen also happenedIm a bit confused, do you mean that they said we'd leave and we didn't ? I mean that basically everything that anyone said during the referendum has been proven to be bullshit.
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 11:45:54 GMT
i think it’s fair to say some leave campaigners did campaign on softer forms of brexit, I do remember farage and others suggesting Norway options etc, Daniel hannan saying “it ludicrous to suggest our place in the single market will be at risk” etc but I think most leave voters voted for a clean break from the EU, out kit and caboodle and the question was “in or out” not “in a little bit, out a little bit” Essentially people voted no deal (which isn’t really no deal, we’ll still trade with Europe) Yuu might be right, but even if "most people" voted for leaving with no deal it doesn't mean no deal is the will of the people. Even if 96% of leave voters did vote for no deal, it means there was not a majority for leaving with no deal in the 2016 referendum. By all means if people think leaving with no deal is the best method then that is of course fine - everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's the people (and this isn't aimed at you, it was just your post that reminded me of the point) that claim that they know it is the will of the people that are incorrect. It could be the will of the people, but we'll never know unless we have a referendum specifically on a no deal exit. Without it, we're all just guessing at what the will of the people is in terms of how we leave the EU (the fact that we leave the EU was decided back in 2016). It is hard to gage but I doubt many leave voters went to the voting booth thinking “yes, I want to leave but I also want to stay in a bit” I think had they done so they would have just voted to remain. The only way to know for sure is a 2nd referendum based on leaving. -No deal or - whatever the Government/EU agrees. the problem is that won’t happen because parliament has to vote on any referendum and they’d demand remain was on the ballot 🙄
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Post by yeokel on Aug 14, 2019 11:47:12 GMT
Can anyone give examples of where the EU has stopped the UK from being independent? Sovereign? or Democratic? The conditions of being a member (i.E collective trade agreements and membership fees don't count). We still have our own army, we still have the pound and we're not part of the Shengan agreement. So that's 3 things we haven't been forced to do. So what are the real life examples of France and Germany forcing something on the UK? No hypothetical future examples please. No talk of ever closer union. Just real cases that have happened already that support the argument that we'll have no independence, sovereignty or democracy in the UK in the future. Common Agricultural Policy? Common Fisheries Policy? Freedom of movement (which I’ll admit is both a good and bad thing) Straight Bananas?* * Only kidding with the last one.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 11:47:34 GMT
For me is wasn’t just about our relationship with the EU today per-se, but where it was heading, nobody can deny it’s totally transformed from what it was originally in the early 70s, decade on decade it has amassed more influence and power over us, do people think this trend was going to stop ? Very doubtful, big bureaucratic institutions don’t have a tendency to reverse course and give back power, they double down, it was obviously moving forward incrementally to eventually create some kind of United States of Europe down the line. I’d like to know why so many people who call themselves leftists support the Eu ? It actually prevents nations from privitising certain industries and is basically a haven for crony corporatists. Tony Benn agreed with you, and who was more left than him? He said it was a barrier to socialism.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 11:53:29 GMT
Yuu might be right, but even if "most people" voted for leaving with no deal it doesn't mean no deal is the will of the people. Even if 96% of leave voters did vote for no deal, it means there was not a majority for leaving with no deal in the 2016 referendum. By all means if people think leaving with no deal is the best method then that is of course fine - everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's the people (and this isn't aimed at you, it was just your post that reminded me of the point) that claim that they know it is the will of the people that are incorrect. It could be the will of the people, but we'll never know unless we have a referendum specifically on a no deal exit. Without it, we're all just guessing at what the will of the people is in terms of how we leave the EU (the fact that we leave the EU was decided back in 2016). It is hard to gage but I doubt many leave voters went to the voting booth thinking “yes, I want to leave but I also want to stay in a bit” I think had they done so they would have just voted to remain. The only way to know for sure is a 2nd referendum based on leaving. -No deal or - whatever the Government/EU agrees. the problem is that won’t happen because parliament has to vote on any referendum and they’d demand remain was on the ballot 🙄 Despite their protests, its always been about stopping any form of Brexit. Thats why I am dubious about No Deal coming to the fore; it gives them an excuse to bitch about something else (even though they have brought the possibility about).
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 12:02:32 GMT
Yuu might be right, but even if "most people" voted for leaving with no deal it doesn't mean no deal is the will of the people. Even if 96% of leave voters did vote for no deal, it means there was not a majority for leaving with no deal in the 2016 referendum. By all means if people think leaving with no deal is the best method then that is of course fine - everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's the people (and this isn't aimed at you, it was just your post that reminded me of the point) that claim that they know it is the will of the people that are incorrect. It could be the will of the people, but we'll never know unless we have a referendum specifically on a no deal exit. Without it, we're all just guessing at what the will of the people is in terms of how we leave the EU (the fact that we leave the EU was decided back in 2016). It is hard to gage but I doubt many leave voters went to the voting booth thinking “yes, I want to leave but I also want to stay in a bit” I think had they done so they would have just voted to remain. The only way to know for sure is a 2nd referendum based on leaving. -No deal or - whatever the Government/EU agrees. the problem is that won’t happen because parliament has to vote on any referendum and they’d demand remain was on the ballot 🙄 I think that anyone who voted did so with an idea of what could be expected in return for there vote. They probably had an idea of what voting to leave would give them in return. It wasn't just in or out with nothing attached. It would have been "yes, I want to leave because I want to; remove freedom of movement, reduce immigration, increase spending on the NHS, take the EU budget and spend it elsewhere that benefits me, etc.". The issue is that most of the reasons people voted to leave for where never even viable to begin with. I don't think we should have a second referendum now. If the result is reversed it will just lead to a third referendum. I think we should either leave end of October or drop Brexit altogether. In either case, the politicians who fed the lies to the public should be held accountable for what happens after.
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 12:03:28 GMT
For me is wasn’t just about our relationship with the EU today per-se, but where it was heading, nobody can deny it’s totally transformed from what it was originally in the early 70s, decade on decade it has amassed more influence and power over us, do people think this trend was going to stop ? Very doubtful, big bureaucratic institutions don’t have a tendency to reverse course and give back power, they double down, it was obviously moving forward incrementally to eventually create some kind of United States of Europe down the line. I’d like to know why so many people who call themselves leftists support the Eu ? It actually prevents nations from privitising certain industries and is basically a haven for crony corporatists. Tony Benn agreed with you, and who was more left than him? He said it was a barrier to socialism. I’m not a socialist but just always been baffled why people on the left are now so pro EU, I have a feeling it’s more to do with opposing Tories, who they perceive to have masterminded brexit. Seems some of them had a change of heart at the last minute. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-eurosceptic
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2019 12:09:47 GMT
What's sad mate is that you clearly can't read or comprehend what people have written. No one's said that they're unhappy with a high unemployment rate. Not one single person. So why write bullshit like that. I would explain the context of the discussion but it's pretty much guaranteed you wouldn't grasp it. You do seem very angry Or very stupid. Most likely both.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 12:13:52 GMT
Can anyone give examples of where the EU has stopped the UK from being independent? Sovereign? or Democratic? The conditions of being a member (i.E collective trade agreements and membership fees don't count). We still have our own army, we still have the pound and we're not part of the Shengan agreement. So that's 3 things we haven't been forced to do. So what are the real life examples of France and Germany forcing something on the UK? No hypothetical future examples please. No talk of ever closer union. Just real cases that have happened already that support the argument that we'll have no independence, sovereignty or democracy in the UK in the future. Common Agricultural Policy? Common Fisheries Policy? Freedom of movement (which I’ll admit is both a good and bad thing) Straight Bananas?* * Only kidding with the last one. Aren't these 'common' policies part and parcel of being a member of the EU. Aren't they there to create parity and to make trading fairer, easier and more efficient? Freedom of movement - nothing I can say, I agree with you there. Not seen any straight bananas around but to be honest I haven't kept a look out for them either.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 14, 2019 12:13:58 GMT
You can’t count 0 hrs as jobs. I have witnessed people selling houses & they have dropped the prices. So because you've 'witnessed people' it's obviously accepted it's a nationwide trend? Of the gains in employment figures - these are all 0hrs contracts are they? When you see Honda close it’s operations in Swindon, a truly massive site, you have to feel the pain...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 12:15:48 GMT
Tony Benn agreed with you, and who was more left than him? He said it was a barrier to socialism. I’m not a socialist but just always been baffled why people on the left are now so pro EU, I have a feeling it’s more to do with opposing Tories, who they perceive to have masterminded brexit. Seems some of them had a change of heart at the last minute. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-euroscepticI have said a few times on here that it's as much anti Tory as anti Brexit with some Labour supporters. Wonder why Owen changed his tune?
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 12:18:18 GMT
You do seem very angry Or very stupid. Most likely both. Awwww, is someone still upset about earlier? Come here and give us a hug you big softy.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 12:28:30 GMT
I have said a few times on here that it's as much anti Tory as anti Brexit with some Labour supporters. Wonder why Owen changed his tune? Where would you place me mate... I'm not aligned to any party. - Pro EU (and everyone generally getting along) - Pro green and environmental initiatives - Anti - as much immigration as we have now - Pro much tougher stance on treason, terrorism, public disorder and unwillingness to accept British way of live - Pro capital punishment - Anti freedom of speech when it relates to hate speech of any kind - Anti benefits for scroungers - Anti human rights in prisons - Anti so much PC
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2019 12:32:10 GMT
So because you've 'witnessed people' it's obviously accepted it's a nationwide trend? Of the gains in employment figures - these are all 0hrs contracts are they? When you see Honda close it’s operations in Swindon, a truly massive site, you have to feel the pain... Indeed - very sad - but it ain't down to Brexit.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 14, 2019 12:34:30 GMT
Common Agricultural Policy? Common Fisheries Policy? Freedom of movement (which I’ll admit is both a good and bad thing) Straight Bananas?* * Only kidding with the last one. Aren't these 'common' policies part and parcel of being a member of the EU. Aren't they there to create parity and to make trading fairer, easier and more efficient? Freedom of movement - nothing I can say, I agree with you there. Not seen any straight bananas around but to be honest I haven't kept a look out for them either. “ Aren't these 'common' policies part and parcel of being a member of the EU. Aren't they there to create parity and to make trading fairer, easier and more efficient?” To be honest, I don’t really have the time or opportunity to fully research their purpose but there is, and has been for the last few decades, a widely accepted belief that they are there to protect French agriculture from some of the realities of life. I think they are widely held to be protectionist policies which favour the French above all others. Land set-aside (effectively paying farmers to do nothing), subsidising farmers to rip out hedgerows whilst, at the same time, subsidising farmers to plant hedgerows also springs to mind. I would like to think that the UK would not be involved in such follies in the future. I suspect that if there are any African farmers on here who have been trying and failing to sell their agricultural produce in to the EU, they could tell a lot more about the CAP than I can.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 12:40:51 GMT
Aren't these 'common' policies part and parcel of being a member of the EU. Aren't they there to create parity and to make trading fairer, easier and more efficient? Freedom of movement - nothing I can say, I agree with you there. Not seen any straight bananas around but to be honest I haven't kept a look out for them either. “ Aren't these 'common' policies part and parcel of being a member of the EU. Aren't they there to create parity and to make trading fairer, easier and more efficient?” To be honest, I don’t really have the time or opportunity to fully research their purpose but there is, and has been for the last few decades, a widely accepted belief that they are there to protect French agriculture from some of the realities of life. I think they are widely held to be protectionist policies which favour the French above all others. Land set-aside (effectively paying farmers to do nothing), subsidising farmers to rip out hedgerows whilst, at the same time, subsidising farmers to plant hedgerows also springs to mind. I would like to think that the UK would not be involved in such follies in the future. I suspect that if there are any African farmers on here who have been trying and failing to sell their agricultural produce in to the EU, they could tell a lot more about the CAP than I can. The CAP has even worse implications. To gain the subsidy the land , even if set aside, has to be capable of being of agricultural use / in a condition of bring such. Many thousands of acres which could have been left to be wild to encourage wild life , good for the ecology has been " cultivated" to an "acceptable" standard. Also in the UK it favours the larger , richer landowners
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 12:51:12 GMT
I have said a few times on here that it's as much anti Tory as anti Brexit with some Labour supporters. Wonder why Owen changed his tune? Where would you place me mate... I'm not aligned to any party. - Pro EU (and everyone generally getting along) - Pro green and environmental initiatives - Anti - as much immigration as we have now - Pro much tougher stance on treason, terrorism, public disorder and unwillingness to accept British way of live - Pro capital punishment - Anti freedom of speech when it relates to hate speech of any kind - Anti benefits for scroungers - Anti human rights in prisons - Anti so much PC I don't know mate. A bit of a mixture? I agree with quite a lot of those views. I was referring to Jones and a few on here, who are anti Brexit, at least in part due to the Tories being in charge of it. I understand that they have reservations because of that, but I don't think they would be as vehemently opposed to a Labour Brexit. To me it's either right in principle or it isn't, though. Funnily enough, I am not allied to any particular party either. I am right wing in some ways, but left in others!
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Post by Northy on Aug 14, 2019 12:54:43 GMT
So because you've 'witnessed people' it's obviously accepted it's a nationwide trend? Of the gains in employment figures - these are all 0hrs contracts are they? When you see Honda close it’s operations in Swindon, a truly massive site, you have to feel the pain... Big opportunity for a new operational base for something, affordable house production (government run?) wind turbine production, solar panel production ?
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 12:56:49 GMT
Where would you place me mate... I'm not aligned to any party. - Pro EU (and everyone generally getting along) - Pro green and environmental initiatives - Anti - as much immigration as we have now - Pro much tougher stance on treason, terrorism, public disorder and unwillingness to accept British way of live - Pro capital punishment - Anti freedom of speech when it relates to hate speech of any kind - Anti benefits for scroungers - Anti human rights in prisons - Anti so much PC I don't know mate. A bit of a mixture? I agree with quite a lot of those views. I was referring to Jones and a few on here, who are anti Brexit, at least in part due to the Tories being in charge of it. I understand that they have reservations because of that, but I don't think they would be as vehemently opposed to a Labour Brexit. To me it's either right in principle or it isn't, though. Funnily enough, I am not allied to any particular party either. I am right wing in some ways, but left in others! To be honest I'm kind of leaning towards Greens just because I think that at least there's one thing I believe in that the party is firmly behind. It's a wasted vote I know, but I just don't trust any of the other parties with anything.
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
I have said a few times on here that it's as much anti Tory as anti Brexit with some Labour supporters. Wonder why Owen changed his tune? Think he said it was because it was too late to make brexit a left wing (lexit) issue because the right had already solidified it as a right wing xenophobic/nationalistic movement, so he gave up on it.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 14, 2019 12:59:49 GMT
It's quite amazing how all these remainers seem totally pissed off that employment levels are at record highs. They were really hoping that hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs following the vote so that they could say 'told you so' Fucking sad really. Spot on. I’ve never known so many wanting and praying for Armageddon thereby wishing hurt and discomfort on people. Bit weird I think and probably indicative of some underlying issues. Maybe some therapy is needed?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 13:03:59 GMT
I don't know mate. A bit of a mixture? I agree with quite a lot of those views. I was referring to Jones and a few on here, who are anti Brexit, at least in part due to the Tories being in charge of it. I understand that they have reservations because of that, but I don't think they would be as vehemently opposed to a Labour Brexit. To me it's either right in principle or it isn't, though. Funnily enough, I am not allied to any particular party either. I am right wing in some ways, but left in others! To be honest I'm kind of leaning towards Greens just because I think that at least there's one thing I believe in that the party is firmly behind. It's a wasted vote I know, but I just don't trust any of the other parties with anything. The more I see of politicians of all parties, the less I trust them. Nine tenths of them are vote counters. Look how they have jumped on the environment bandwagon all of a sudden. I used to think House of Cards was far fetched, but the last 3 years has opened my eyes. Actually, even before that when they were on the fiddle. They will be weighed in the balance and found wanting!
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Post by 4372 on Aug 14, 2019 13:06:44 GMT
It's quite amazing how all these remainers seem totally pissed off that employment levels are at record highs. They were really hoping that hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs following the vote so that they could say 'told you so' Fucking sad really. Spot on. I’ve never known so many wanting and praying for Armageddon thereby wishing hurt and discomfort on people. Bit weird I think and probably indicative of some underlying issues. Maybe some therapy is needed? How do you define "employment" then?
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