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Post by foster on Jul 23, 2019 21:38:23 GMT
Yet another reason to leave the EU: Heidi Hautala, Vice President of the EU just said on LBC that Johnson and Corbyn should get together and call for a second referendum! Also mentioned "young voters" and Jo Swinson as evidence of Remain support and the possibility of turning Brexit around. Are these fuckers created in a laboratory or what? Hang on, I was informed on these very pages the other day that the EU weren't bothered about us leaving? Did they offer to renegotiate the deal? Didn't think so.
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Post by sorethumbs on Jul 23, 2019 22:00:23 GMT
Hang on, I was informed on these very pages the other day that the EU weren't bothered about us leaving? Did they offer to renegotiate the deal? Didn't think so. Tell you what then - put your bollocks on the line and say that they definitely won't. Boris hasn't even got his foot in no. 10 or sorted his cabinet yet. You can posture all you like but things will be renegotiated. There, that's my bollocks on the line
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jul 23, 2019 22:22:09 GMT
I haven’t read this whole thread, interested to see what people have said about Ireland’s stance at various times though. What have the Irish got wrong? What should they have done differently? What cul-de-sac are the Irish media travelling down in their sleep?
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Post by starkiller on Jul 24, 2019 3:47:02 GMT
I’ve got the impression that you sympathise with the ‘Remain’ argument from the tone of your previous posts. If that’s incorrect, please accept my apology. You remind me a little of a poster who used to be here (perhaps still is) who voted ‘Leave’ because he misinterpreted a message written in big letters on the side of a bus. With hindsight, he wished he had voted for ‘Remain’, but he hadn’t. I sympathise with both sides of the argument because I don't see the point in all the tribalistic nonsense people on here and in the wider world are involved in. It'll never make anything better. You remind me a little of someone who's deflecting from the fact a Tory councillor - ie a mainstream political party - is seemingly supporting nationalism in 2019 We have a mainstream Nationalist Party in Parliament. You know, the one that cannot accept the results from democratic referendums?
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 24, 2019 5:15:46 GMT
I thought Simon Coveney betrayed signs of shitting it, on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Reality bites. Ireland sees themselves tied politically to Brussels, but economically they are bonded to London. Awkward for them. And they've made things more awkward for themselves by their silly posturing over the border. Should we leave with no deal both the UK and Irish governments have said we won't build a border the EU have said they will insist on one to protect the single market . How does this square with the EUs insistence on the backstop to prevent a border
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Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 5:48:21 GMT
Did they offer to renegotiate the deal? Didn't think so. Tell you what then - put your bollocks on the line and say that they definitely won't. Boris hasn't even got his foot in no. 10 or sorted his cabinet yet. You can posture all you like but things will be renegotiated. There, that's my bollocks on the line Put my bollocks on the line? Are we at primary school or something? I'm not Mystic Meg, I can't tell the future. I don't know if the EU will renegotiate the deal. I don't believe they will but that's just what I think. Whether I have to put my balls on the line for that isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything or anybody.
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Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 6:27:29 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... Love the German built car she is sitting in. Makes you feel so proud doesnt it? I imagine a lot of things go completely over your head
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Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 6:43:07 GMT
Tell you what then - put your bollocks on the line and say that they definitely won't. Boris hasn't even got his foot in no. 10 or sorted his cabinet yet. You can posture all you like but things will be renegotiated. There, that's my bollocks on the line Put my bollocks on the line? Are we at primary school or something? I'm not Mystic Meg, I can't tell the future. I don't know if the EU will renegotiate the deal. I don't believe they will but that's just what I think. Whether I have to put my balls on the line for that isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything or anybody. A completely different tone to your other posts though isn't it? First you seem assured that they won't renegotiate now you're saying you don't THINK they will. Much like all the other remainers you 'can't tell the future' but you are certain we are doomed. I can imagine you all have a meltdown and needing counselling if you lost 20 quid, that's the kind of people you come across as
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 6:59:47 GMT
Reality bites. Ireland sees themselves tied politically to Brussels, but economically they are bonded to London. Awkward for them. And they've made things more awkward for themselves by their silly posturing over the border. Should we leave with no deal both the UK and Irish governments have said we won't build a border the EU have said they will insist on one to protect the single market . How does this square with the EUs insistence on the backstop to prevent a border It doesn't square. That's why the backstop is a nonsensical idea and completely unnecessary.
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Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 7:13:22 GMT
Put my bollocks on the line? Are we at primary school or something? I'm not Mystic Meg, I can't tell the future. I don't know if the EU will renegotiate the deal. I don't believe they will but that's just what I think. Whether I have to put my balls on the line for that isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference to anything or anybody. A completely different tone to your other posts though isn't it? First you seem assured that they won't renegotiate now you're saying you don't THINK they will. Much like all the other remainers you 'can't tell the future' but you are certain we are doomed. I can imagine you all have a meltdown and needing counselling if you lost 20 quid, that's the kind of people you come across as Nah, it's the same tone I've had in all my posts. I doubt I've claimed 100% that anything will happen. Good or bad. I don't state my opinion as fact. Do you always get so sensitive when people don't agree with your rosy view of Brexit? Maybe it's because you don't know much about it or have any valid arguments to put across. It's usually the people that are ill-informed who decide to get personal.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 24, 2019 7:55:35 GMT
I sympathise with both sides of the argument because I don't see the point in all the tribalistic nonsense people on here and in the wider world are involved in. It'll never make anything better. You remind me a little of someone who's deflecting from the fact a Tory councillor - ie a mainstream political party - is seemingly supporting nationalism in 2019 We have a mainstream Nationalist Party in Parliament. You know, the one that cannot accept the results from democratic referendums? Oh great, that's fine then.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 24, 2019 8:41:11 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... Love the German built car she is sitting in. Makes you feel so proud doesnt it? Hard to find a pure British built car these days. Jaguar owned by Indians, Nissan, Toyota assembled here but built nah, mini German owned. We have sold our soul
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Post by salopstick on Jul 24, 2019 9:03:28 GMT
I just cannot comprehend how we can reject withdrawal on WTO terms If the EU And the UK cannot agree a suitable withdrawal agreement.
It was leave or remain
Not remain if we cannot agree a with drawls agreement
Part of this problem is labelling the withdrawal agreement as “no deal” which it really isn’t
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 24, 2019 9:12:03 GMT
I just cannot comprehend how we can reject withdrawal on WTO terms If the EU And the UK cannot agree a suitable withdrawal agreement. It was leave or remain Not remain if we cannot agree a with drawls agreement Part of this problem is labelling the withdrawal agreement as “no deal” which it really isn’t Especially when that is the default position that MPs knew was a possibility when they voted to trigger Article 50!
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Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 9:29:03 GMT
I just cannot comprehend how we can reject withdrawal on WTO terms If the EU And the UK cannot agree a suitable withdrawal agreement. It was leave or remain Not remain if we cannot agree a with drawls agreement Part of this problem is labelling the withdrawal agreement as “no deal” which it really isn’t Doesn't the no deal (or WTO deal or whatever) really just represent a deal/scenario that fails to deliver on the leave campaign promises? A deal that would basically put the UK in position that neither the leave or remain supporters voted for? We'll be out, but not on the terms and conditions sold to us and that we were promised. Otherwise I don't see why it isn't accepted either. Just get Brexit done already though and deal with whatever issues there'll be afterwards. There's been far too much time and money wasted on the entire process and there are more important topics to focus on.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 24, 2019 9:39:02 GMT
Should we leave with no deal both the UK and Irish governments have said we won't build a border the EU have said they will insist on one to protect the single market . How does this square with the EUs insistence on the backstop to prevent a border It doesn't square. That's why the backstop is a nonsensical idea and completely unnecessary. Whatever happened to the EU mantra nothing is agreed until everything is agreed ? The idea of the backstop that only comes into play if we fail to agree a FTA after paying the disputed £39 billion and negotiating for two years etc is a bit mad if they get the money and the WA they can just drag on negotiations until they can force another vote, the backstop is dead full stop now if they had been sensible a time limited one would have been accepted.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 24, 2019 9:41:15 GMT
I just cannot comprehend how we can reject withdrawal on WTO terms If the EU And the UK cannot agree a suitable withdrawal agreement. It was leave or remain Not remain if we cannot agree a with drawls agreement Part of this problem is labelling the withdrawal agreement as “no deal” which it really isn’t All leaving on no deal means is we are outside of the EU when we start negotiating the future relationship and we have a £39 billion carrot.
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Post by spoldge on Jul 24, 2019 10:07:11 GMT
Love the German built car she is sitting in. Makes you feel so proud doesnt it? Hard to find a pure British built car these days. Jaguar owned by Indians, Nissan, Toyota assembled here but built nah, mini German owned. We have sold our soul Hard to find any pure geographically built cars tbf bmw make engines at hams hall for example.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2019 10:43:14 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 10:46:16 GMT
Hard to find a pure British built car these days. Jaguar owned by Indians, Nissan, Toyota assembled here but built nah, mini German owned. We have sold our soul Hard to find any pure geographically built cars tbf bmw make engines at hams hall for example. You are correct but they are still a German firm.The original post a tad tongue in cheek.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 24, 2019 10:47:22 GMT
You don't agree with me. You are a traitor.....
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 10:48:03 GMT
Love the German built car she is sitting in. Makes you feel so proud doesnt it? I imagine a lot of things go completely over your head Sure does baby sure does.Like your sense of humour.
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Post by spoldge on Jul 24, 2019 11:04:57 GMT
Hard to find any pure geographically built cars tbf bmw make engines at hams hall for example. You are correct but they are still a German firm.The original post a tad tongue in cheek. Agreed. But surely the underlying importance is where things are made due to the job creation, rather than highlighting who actually owns the company, baring in mind that generally the bulk ownership of these blue chip companies is shareholders from various nationalities?
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Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 11:39:58 GMT
A completely different tone to your other posts though isn't it? First you seem assured that they won't renegotiate now you're saying you don't THINK they will. Much like all the other remainers you 'can't tell the future' but you are certain we are doomed. I can imagine you all have a meltdown and needing counselling if you lost 20 quid, that's the kind of people you come across as Nah, it's the same tone I've had in all my posts. I doubt I've claimed 100% that anything will happen. Good or bad. I don't state my opinion as fact. Do you always get so sensitive when people don't agree with your rosy view of Brexit? Maybe it's because you don't know much about it or have any valid arguments to put across. It's usually the people that are ill-informed who decide to get personal. Not sensitive Fos, I was picking you up on how you were quick to jibe that they haven't offered to re-negotiate. It's not even started yet. I couldn't care less if people agree with me or not, crack on. My opinion is mine, you're entitled to yours. The valid arguments have been put across, why would I re-post what others have already said? I don't spend enough time on here to jump in with the latest snippet before others say what I agree with. As for your point about getting personal just read your last paragraph to yourself. I know as much about it all as you mate
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Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 11:47:25 GMT
I imagine a lot of things go completely over your head Sure does baby sure does.Like your sense of humour. Don't give up the day job kidda
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 24, 2019 11:52:49 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote. Proof, if needed, that it was never about "finding out if people still wanted Brexit". She, and others will never accept or respect Brexit.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 24, 2019 11:57:40 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote. Proof, if needed, that it was never about "finding out if people still wanted Brexit". She, and others will never accept or respect Brexit. Good for her. Pay no attention to the lies told by the populists.
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Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 11:58:52 GMT
Nah, it's the same tone I've had in all my posts. I doubt I've claimed 100% that anything will happen. Good or bad. I don't state my opinion as fact. Do you always get so sensitive when people don't agree with your rosy view of Brexit? Maybe it's because you don't know much about it or have any valid arguments to put across. It's usually the people that are ill-informed who decide to get personal. Not sensitive Fos, I was picking you up on how you were quick to jibe that they haven't offered to re-negotiate. It's not even started yet. I couldn't care less if people agree with me or not, crack on. My opinion is mine, you're entitled to yours. The valid arguments have been put across, why would I re-post what others have already said? I don't spend enough time on here to jump in with the latest snippet before others say what I agree with. As for your point about getting personal just read your last paragraph to yourself. I know as much about it all as you mate For someone who's quick to pick up on my jibes you're pretty slow at noticing that mine are always in retaliation to other jibes. ..and for someone who apparently doesn't care what others think, you're surprisingly selective on the jibes you pick up on.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 24, 2019 11:59:25 GMT
Proof, if needed, that it was never about "finding out if people still wanted Brexit". She, and others will never accept or respect Brexit. Good for her. Pay no attention to the lies told by the populists. Pisser.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2019 12:01:31 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote. Proof, if needed, that it was never about "finding out if people still wanted Brexit". She, and others will never accept or respect Brexit. Democracy undermined might as well abolish parliament and voting. Makes me even more determined to leave, she's a total disgrace.
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