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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2024 6:04:42 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2024 11:25:51 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 17, 2024 12:34:00 GMT
This is the crux of the matter You can point to many things made worse directly as a result of Brexit Other times like this example Brexit is a contributing factor allowing a get out clause Like the example you linked above in the use of antibiotics it's the drip drip effect which accumulate to form a mass My optimism of Labour being able to negotiate an SPS Agreement on Equivalence of Standards may be premature if UK continues to lower air pollution, water quality, pesticide use and agricultural emissions Standards below EU Of course the main issue it's a Health Hazard
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 18, 2024 9:58:02 GMT
Project fear is still alive and kicking, just as it was for control of imports was going to lead to empty shelves. The answer to most British problems is always the same, namely British people should support British products, which are best. Our future is now in our own hands and not ruled by Brussels. Buy British beef and lamb: redtractorassurance.org.uk/news/ahdb-confirms-world-leading-beef-and-lamb/Remind me why we were unable to buy British lamb pre Brexit again? It seems people aren't buying in to the post-Brexit dream : www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjewewxzypro"The supermarket says the move is due to customer demand for cheaper prices."
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Post by oggyoggy on May 18, 2024 10:02:36 GMT
Remind me why we were unable to buy British lamb pre Brexit again? It seems people aren't buying in to the post-Brexit dream : www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjewewxzypro"The supermarket says the move is due to customer demand for cheaper prices."
And one of the reasons for those cheaper prices of overseas lamb compared with British lamb……..Brexit!
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Post by wannabee on May 18, 2024 10:42:41 GMT
Remind me why we were unable to buy British lamb pre Brexit again? It seems people aren't buying in to the post-Brexit dream : www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjewewxzypro"The supermarket says the move is due to customer demand for cheaper prices."
Maybe we should listen to the Minister who negotiated the so far only Trade Deals which are not Rollovers of EU negotiated Trade Deals when he said: Australia (New Zealand) free trade deal “not good” for UK, says former minister Eustice. Eustice told MPs that he believed the deal was rushed "the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return”.
When the deal – the UK’s first major post-Brexit trade agreement – was struck last year, it was criticised by UK farming bodies as being bad for the country’s beef and lamb farmers as they would have to compete with tariff-free meat shipped in from Down Under. Concerns were also raised about whether Australia’s animal welfare standards were comparable to the UK’s.
In a mad rush to show Global Britan could exist outside EU after Brexit and to be paraded at G7 Meeting in Cornwall UK agreed to terrible Deals with Australia and New Zealand which will have long term and lasting affects on British Farming and Food Security. Perhaps we should be grateful UK hasn't concluded any other Trade Deals other than rolling over EU negotiated Trade Deals. www.just-food.com/news/australia-free-trade-deal-not-good-for-uk-says-former-minister-eustice/
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 18, 2024 10:52:03 GMT
Maybe we should listen to the Minister who negotiated the so far only Trade Deals which are not Rollovers of EU negotiated Trade Deals when he said: Australia (New Zealand) free trade deal “not good” for UK, says former minister Eustice. Eustice told MPs that he believed the deal was rushed "the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return”.
When the deal – the UK’s first major post-Brexit trade agreement – was struck last year, it was criticised by UK farming bodies as being bad for the country’s beef and lamb farmers as they would have to compete with tariff-free meat shipped in from Down Under. Concerns were also raised about whether Australia’s animal welfare standards were comparable to the UK’s.
In a mad rush to show Global Britan could exist outside EU after Brexit and to be paraded at G7 Meeting in Cornwall UK agreed to terrible Deals with Australia and New Zealand which will have long term and lasting affects on British Farming and Food Security. Perhaps we should be grateful UK hasn't concluded any other Trade Deals other than rolling over EU negotiated Trade Deals. www.just-food.com/news/australia-free-trade-deal-not-good-for-uk-says-former-minister-eusticeAh yes, the Trade Deal lauded on here at the time.
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Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2024 22:14:55 GMT
Project fear is still alive and kicking, just as it was for control of imports was going to lead to empty shelves. The answer to most British problems is always the same, namely British people should support British products, which are best. Our future is now in our own hands and not ruled by Brussels. Buy British beef and lamb: redtractorassurance.org.uk/news/ahdb-confirms-world-leading-beef-and-lamb/As a self declared Brexiteer and Environmentalist do you have a dilemma that New Zealand Lamb is being produced using Pesticides which are banned in UK and then travel refrigerated thousands of miles and undercut British produced Lamb which is produced to higher Environmental Standards? As a secondary question harking back to your specialist subject. You have previously decried the Chinese for Price Dumping Steel, do you equally decry New Zealand for Price Dumping as Lamb prices are considerably higher in New Zealand than New Zealand lamb which has travelled thousands of miles to UK? The UK currently imports around a third of the sheep meat it consumes, (c. 100,00 tonnes pa). The dominant supplier has always been New Zealand. Australia is the second largest supplier. britishmeatindustry.org/industry/imports-exports/sheepmeat/It has always been the case that New Zealand lamb has been the major foreign supplier, since long before joining the EEC. I'm sure you would agree that it is better to receive refrigerated lamb from New Zealand produced to high standards* than unrefrigerated lamb in lorries from Romania. When I worked at Redcar we bought coal from Australia. The cost of transport per tonne, which is largely energy, was lower from Australia than County Durham. That's because it is cheaper, more efficient, and less environmentally damaging per tonne to transport ship loads of over 100,000 s tonnes by sea around the world, than it is a lorry load of 40 tonnes by road for even a relatively short distance. In the future ships will be powered by wind and solar and green fuel. It is certainly far more environmentally damaging to transport by lorry across Europe. Have New Zealand just started to use pesticides banned in the UK? I suggest it has always been going on. Do you believe that when the EU Commission bans something the east European oligarchs take any notice? www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-hungary.htmlwww.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidies-central-eastern-europe-hungary-viktor-orban-populist-oligarch-a9183911.htmlThe EU continues to mismanage its business, in fact it appears to be getting worse since the UK left the EU. According to the European Court of Auditor’s 2022 Annual Report, between 2021 and 2022 the rate of misspending rose from 3% to 4.2% of the budget. www.eureporter.co/politics/eu-budget/2024/05/08/e14-billion-of-irregular-eu-expenditure-reported-from-2014-to-2022/#google_vignetteOne of the major defects of the EU is that the rules are drafted centrally by bureaucrats and it is up to each member country to implement and enforce legislation, which they do to differing degrees. commission.europa.eu/document/download/e9b7880f-353f-4668-b489-24d26cbb6daa_en?filename=EU28_factsheet_2016_en.pdfThe above link shows "new infringement cases" in the EU 2016 annual report, before any impact of the Brexit decision. The number of ongoing cases is many hundreds, if not thousands. It amuses me that one of the consistently worst countries for failing to comply with EU law is Belgium where the EU administration is based! Complying with EU law is just a game in the EU. Member countries try and get away with what they can. Obviously some countries comply better than others and to Merkel's credit during her tenure in office she moved Germany from one of the worst to much higher up the table of compliance. I digress, to return to New Zealand lamb and your secondary question: The UK has been importing food stuffs from New Zealand for decades. Where is your evidence for price dumping? All I could find is: "Phil Stocker, National Sheep Association chief executive, said: “One good thing is New Zealand isn’t dumping lamb here at low prices yet, and let’s hope this doesn’t happen.” www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/meat-prices/frozen-nz-lamb-brings-jitters-with-trade-back-15I would fully expect the price of lamb sold in New Zealand to be higher than sold in the UK. In business it is usual to cover your fixed costs with your captive/home market, and sell extra product at the marginal/variable cost, or higher if the market is prepared to pay. China are dumping by selling into the western market at lower than production costs to disrupt the West's industry. New Zealand moved away from subsidised agriculture from the 1980s after the UK turned its back on the Commonwealth when we joined the EEC. New Zealand butter was out and Danish and Irish butter in, subsidised by the tax payer through the CAP. * You seem to be critical of New Zealand, which is a world leader in animal welfare. ahdb.org.uk/trade-and-policy/new-zealand-animal-welfareNew Zealand is also a world leader in beef cattle nutrition. www.specialtymeats.co.nz/en/post/why-choose-new-zealand-s100-grass-fed-beef#:~:text=New%20Zealand's%20100%25%20grass%20fed,such%20as%20clover%20and%20ryegrass. On the question of legislation standards you and oggy raise, the government of this country is now in our own hands and not subject to industrial action in the EU: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68218907The EU Commission are right to try and reduce pesticide use. I quote: " The CAP incentivises industrial farming practices, overuse of fertilisers and pesticides, and monocultures, which leads to water pollution and over-extraction, biodiversity loss, soil degradation, and the decline of pollinators." www.euronews.com/green/2024/05/15/billions-from-eu-taxpayers-damage-nature-heres-how-it-can-stop#:~:text=The%20CAP%20incentivises%20industrial%20farming,and%20the%20decline%20of%20pollinators I am glad the UK has left the EU and not subject to the will of European farmers. Sovereignty means the UK government can relax laws or impose tighter rules its up to our elected representatives not unelected people in Brussels. Naturally as an keen environmentalist I would prefer our government to reduce pollution and create more sustainable farming and fishing whichever party is in power. We do not need to be in the EU to have good law.
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Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2024 22:20:13 GMT
I have every sympathy with Mike Hewitson and whilst not an expert myself, my farther worked for a pharmaceutical company provoking my interest in the subject, and my step daughter is a pharmacist and managed shops for Boots, Lloyds, and the Co-op. When I asked her about drug shortages, she laughed and said it is not new it has been going on for many years and just gets worse, primarily due to continuously increasing demand. You are repeating yourself and posted on this topic on 18th April, page 1,579. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/269068/brexit?page=1579&scrollTo=8113175 I responded at length then.
Have you actually read the link in the article you posted above? Brexit is not mentioned in the Guardian article till the last few paragraphs of the article. If Brexit was a significant cause, you can be sure the Guardian would be shouting it from the roof tops. www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/09/medicine-shortages-in-england-beyond-critical-pharmacists-warn
My view of the matter is as follows, I'll try to be brief: 1. There is a worldwide shortage of drugs, medicines, etc. www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/02/why-is-world-experiencing-medicine-shortages-and-how-can-the-generics-industry-address-supply-challenges/
2. The shortages are impacting the world's major drugs producers like Germany as well as those countries dependant on imports: www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/medicine-shortage-affecting-millions-in-germany/2992238
3. The UK has been impacted along with other countries but there is no correlation been shown between Brexit and supply problems. Just a conjecture that Brexit has "led to additional bureaucracy, costs, supplier changes and delays." No one has come up with factual evidence demonstrating how much Brexit has impacted drugs supply; in fact, switching supply to other sources outside of the EU may have helped abate the UK supply situation. theconversation.com/drug-shortages-affected-111-products-in-the-uk-this-year-but-the-outlook-for-2024-may-be-better-219445
4. Europe generally has been seriously impacted by drug shortages. The European Medicines Agency has published shortages: www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory-overview/post-authorisation/medicine-shortages-availability-issues/public-information-medicine-shortages
5. An American analysis of the cause of shortages primarily attributes them to high demand, shipping delays, and shortage of ingredients, plus other miscellaneous reasons. www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/analyst-comment/cheap-drugs-inspections-future-war-europe-drug-shortages/
According to the Dutch international bank ING, the main reasons for drug shortages are problems with distribution, production, and quality issues. They also cite increased demand due to an ageing population and a rise in chronic illnesses in developed countries, and improved access to healthcare in developing countries with their increased wealth and rising populations. ING also state that the share of generic drugs as a percentage of total prescriptions has risen dramatically because of the increased focus on the cost of healthcare and patent expiration of top-selling branded drugs, and provide data showing that the share of generic medicines as percentage of prescriptions in the US increased dramatically from 36% in 1994 to 87% in 2015. Generic drugs supply chains are apparently more vulnerable than proprietary drugs supply chains. ING provide data for the Netherlands showing there was a sharp rise in medicine shortage in 2019 following the start of the US- China trade war in July 2018. think.ing.com/articles/why-there-is-no-end-in-sight-for-the-eu-drug-shortage-crab-carolina-lal-pharma/#:~:text=Demand%20for%20medicine%20has%20increased,regulation%20shortages%20of%20raw%20materials
6. As usual when the UK has a problem these days the anti-Brexit media jump to blame Brexit. My view is the opposite. The UK drug shortage problem is partly due to the UK's past membership of the EU. During EU membership there has be a large decline in UK self sufficiency in drugs and pharmaceuticals. The UK used to be one of the world's top nations for the supply of drugs and medicines. It is still a world leader in research and development, but even that has declined. Exporting of drugs has seen the UK slip down the world league and almost drop out of the top 10. This is a direct consequence of the UK being in the EU and production being relocated and developed more outside of the UK due to lower production costs and insufficient investment. If things carry on as they were during EU membership, India and Spain will overtake the UK as higher exporters of drugs and medicines. The trade balance picture is even worse. Where the UK used to be a major exporter of drugs and medicines to the world, it is now become a huge importer with only a slightly positive trade balance. www.ciip.group.cam.ac.uk/reports-and-articles/selling-less-and-buying-more-the-worsening-trade-balance-of-the-uk-pharmaceutical-industry/
This is another example of the damage done by EU membership. By being in a common market place, manufacturers and investors move to and develop where costs are lower or more government support is available. Throughout the UK's membership of the EEC and EU, it has been a major net financial contributor supporting the economies of Ireland (1973-2018), Spain (1986-2013), and most recently Poland.
7. Since Brexit however there is some light at the end of the tunnel and there are forecasts of increased UK production in the future. www.statista.com/outlook/hmo/pharmaceuticals/united-kingdom Let's all hope this proves to be true.
To summarise:
Drug shortages is a worldwide problem and there is no measurable contribution to the UK's shortage due to Brexit.
An underlying cause of the drug shortage in the UK is the decline in UK self-sufficiency during EU membership.
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Post by wannabee on May 20, 2024 0:34:52 GMT
A) As a self declared Brexiteer and Environmentalist do you have a dilemma that New Zealand Lamb is being produced using Pesticides which are banned in UK and then travel refrigerated thousands of miles and undercut British produced Lamb which is produced to higher Environmental Standards? B) As a secondary question harking back to your specialist subject. You have previously decried the Chinese for Price Dumping Steel, do you equally decry New Zealand for Price Dumping as Lamb prices are considerably higher in New Zealand than New Zealand lamb which has travelled thousands of miles to UK? The UK currently imports around a third of the sheep meat it consumes, (c. 100,00 tonnes pa). The dominant supplier has always been New Zealand. Australia is the second largest supplier. britishmeatindustry.org/industry/imports-exports/sheepmeat/It has always been the case that New Zealand lamb has been the major foreign supplier, since long before joining the EEC. I'm sure you would agree that it is better to receive refrigerated lamb from New Zealand produced to high standards* than unrefrigerated lamb in lorries from Romania. When I worked at Redcar we bought coal from Australia. The cost of transport per tonne, which is largely energy, was lower from Australia than County Durham. That's because it is cheaper, more efficient, and less environmentally damaging per tonne to transport ship loads of over 100,000 s tonnes by sea around the world, than it is a lorry load of 40 tonnes by road for even a relatively short distance. In the future ships will be powered by wind and solar and green fuel. It is certainly far more environmentally damaging to transport by lorry across Europe. Have New Zealand just started to use pesticides banned in the UK? I suggest it has always been going on. Do you believe that when the EU Commission bans something the east European oligarchs take any notice? www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-hungary.htmlwww.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidies-central-eastern-europe-hungary-viktor-orban-populist-oligarch-a9183911.htmlThe EU continues to mismanage its business, in fact it appears to be getting worse since the UK left the EU. According to the European Court of Auditor’s 2022 Annual Report, between 2021 and 2022 the rate of misspending rose from 3% to 4.2% of the budget. www.eureporter.co/politics/eu-budget/2024/05/08/e14-billion-of-irregular-eu-expenditure-reported-from-2014-to-2022/#google_vignetteOne of the major defects of the EU is that the rules are drafted centrally by bureaucrats and it is up to each member country to implement and enforce legislation, which they do to differing degrees. commission.europa.eu/document/download/e9b7880f-353f-4668-b489-24d26cbb6daa_en?filename=EU28_factsheet_2016_en.pdfThe above link shows "new infringement cases" in the EU 2016 annual report, before any impact of the Brexit decision. The number of ongoing cases is many hundreds, if not thousands. It amuses me that one of the consistently worst countries for failing to comply with EU law is Belgium where the EU administration is based! Complying with EU law is just a game in the EU. Member countries try and get away with what they can. Obviously some countries comply better than others and to Merkel's credit during her tenure in office she moved Germany from one of the worst to much higher up the table of compliance. I digress, to return to New Zealand lamb and your secondary question: The UK has been importing food stuffs from New Zealand for decades. Where is your evidence for price dumping? All I could find is: "Phil Stocker, National Sheep Association chief executive, said: “One good thing is New Zealand isn’t dumping lamb here at low prices yet, and let’s hope this doesn’t happen.” www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/meat-prices/frozen-nz-lamb-brings-jitters-with-trade-back-15I would fully expect the price of lamb sold in New Zealand to be higher than sold in the UK. In business it is usual to cover your fixed costs with your captive/home market, and sell extra product at the marginal/variable cost, or higher if the market is prepared to pay. China are dumping by selling into the western market at lower than production costs to disrupt the West's industry. New Zealand moved away from subsidised agriculture from the 1980s after the UK turned its back on the Commonwealth when we joined the EEC. New Zealand butter was out and Danish and Irish butter in, subsidised by the tax payer through the CAP. * You seem to be critical of New Zealand, which is a world leader in animal welfare. ahdb.org.uk/trade-and-policy/new-zealand-animal-welfareNew Zealand is also a world leader in beef cattle nutrition. www.specialtymeats.co.nz/en/post/why-choose-new-zealand-s100-grass-fed-beef#:~:text=New%20Zealand's%20100%25%20grass%20fed,such%20as%20clover%20and%20ryegrass. On the question of legislation standards you and oggy raise, the government of this country is now in our own hands and not subject to industrial action in the EU: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68218907The EU Commission are right to try and reduce pesticide use. I quote: " The CAP incentivises industrial farming practices, overuse of fertilisers and pesticides, and monocultures, which leads to water pollution and over-extraction, biodiversity loss, soil degradation, and the decline of pollinators." www.euronews.com/green/2024/05/15/billions-from-eu-taxpayers-damage-nature-heres-how-it-can-stop#:~:text=The%20CAP%20incentivises%20industrial%20farming,and%20the%20decline%20of%20pollinators I am glad the UK has left the EU and not subject to the will of European farmers. Sovereignty means the UK government can relax laws or impose tighter rules its up to our elected representatives not unelected people in Brussels. Naturally as an keen environmentalist I would prefer our government to reduce pollution and create more sustainable farming and fishing whichever party is in power. We do not need to be in the EU to have good law. It is quite wearisome that you continously reply to a post (at great lentgh) that has no relevance to the post you are replying to. I have no problem in addressing any point you wish to raise but please do not go off at a tangent To simplify it for you I have referenced my two original questions A and B above and simplified them, it's not that difficult A) Do you have an issue that New Zealand Lamb imported to UK is produced using Pesticides banned in UK? Its a simple question but I realise from past experience Yes or No will not be sufficient for you. B) The second question should be even easier for you as you have often pontificated at length about the Chinese Dumping Sreel in UK to the detriment of the UK Steel Industry The generally accepted definition of dumping is "Dumping is a term used in the context of international trade. It's when a country or company exports a product at a price that is lower in the foreign importing market than the price in the exporter's domestic market. Because dumping typically involves substantial export volumes of a product, it often endangers the financial viability of the product's manufacturer or producer in the importing nation" This is clearly what New Zealand is doing despite your protestations and building a false narrative that simply doesn't exist In the scheme of things trade with New Zealand overall is hardly relevant unless you are a Sheep Farmer in Wales or Scotland who will be wiped out by this goddamn awful Trade Deal which even the Minister who negotiated it castigated. On the Government’s own Impact Assessment it may add 0.03% to UK GDP by 2035 Is importing New Zealand Pesticide Treated lamb at the expense of UK Food Security which drives out National Sheep Farmers out of Business an acceptable price to pay for one of only two Independent Trade Deals (Australia being the other, equally bad Trade Deal) to try and prove Brexit a success? Your defence of Brexit is as futile as Sisyphus with his rock
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 20, 2024 4:53:32 GMT
As a self declared Brexiteer and Environmentalist do you have a dilemma that New Zealand Lamb is being produced using Pesticides which are banned in UK and then travel refrigerated thousands of miles and undercut British produced Lamb which is produced to higher Environmental Standards? As a secondary question harking back to your specialist subject. You have previously decried the Chinese for Price Dumping Steel, do you equally decry New Zealand for Price Dumping as Lamb prices are considerably higher in New Zealand than New Zealand lamb which has travelled thousands of miles to UK? When I worked at Redcar we bought coal from Australia. The cost of transport per tonne, which is largely energy, was lower from Australia than County Durham. That's because it is cheaper, more efficient, and less environmentally damaging per tonne to transport ship loads of over 100,000 s tonnes by sea around the world, than it is a lorry load of 40 tonnes by road for even a relatively short distance. In the future ships will be powered by wind and solar and green fuel. It is certainly far more environmentally damaging to transport by lorry across Europe. MrCoke I know I seldom engage directly with you on this thread, but this is a point you have made previously and which again fails completely to recognise that coal needs to be transported to the ports in Australia. It does not magic its way onto the ships. And I am sure you realise much of the coal in Europe will be transported by rail,probably electric train, as opposed to the diesels rumbling across Australia which a quck search reveal amounted to 89 billion tonne kilometres in 2015.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 20, 2024 6:04:06 GMT
I have every sympathy with Mike Hewitson and whilst not an expert myself, my farther worked for a pharmaceutical company provoking my interest in the subject, and my step daughter is a pharmacist and managed shops for Boots, Lloyds, and the Co-op. When I asked her about drug shortages, she laughed and said it is not new it has been going on for many years and just gets worse, primarily due to continuously increasing demand. You are repeating yourself and posted on this topic on 18th April, page 1,579. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/269068/brexit?page=1579&scrollTo=8113175 I responded at length then.
Have you actually read the link in the article you posted above? Brexit is not mentioned in the Guardian article till the last few paragraphs of the article. If Brexit was a significant cause, you can be sure the Guardian would be shouting it from the roof tops. www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/09/medicine-shortages-in-england-beyond-critical-pharmacists-warn
My view of the matter is as follows, I'll try to be brief: 1. There is a worldwide shortage of drugs, medicines, etc. www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/02/why-is-world-experiencing-medicine-shortages-and-how-can-the-generics-industry-address-supply-challenges/
2. The shortages are impacting the world's major drugs producers like Germany as well as those countries dependant on imports: www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/medicine-shortage-affecting-millions-in-germany/2992238
3. The UK has been impacted along with other countries but there is no correlation been shown between Brexit and supply problems. Just a conjecture that Brexit has "led to additional bureaucracy, costs, supplier changes and delays." No one has come up with factual evidence demonstrating how much Brexit has impacted drugs supply; in fact, switching supply to other sources outside of the EU may have helped abate the UK supply situation. theconversation.com/drug-shortages-affected-111-products-in-the-uk-this-year-but-the-outlook-for-2024-may-be-better-219445
4. Europe generally has been seriously impacted by drug shortages. The European Medicines Agency has published shortages: www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory-overview/post-authorisation/medicine-shortages-availability-issues/public-information-medicine-shortages
5. An American analysis of the cause of shortages primarily attributes them to high demand, shipping delays, and shortage of ingredients, plus other miscellaneous reasons. www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/analyst-comment/cheap-drugs-inspections-future-war-europe-drug-shortages/
According to the Dutch international bank ING, the main reasons for drug shortages are problems with distribution, production, and quality issues. They also cite increased demand due to an ageing population and a rise in chronic illnesses in developed countries, and improved access to healthcare in developing countries with their increased wealth and rising populations. ING also state that the share of generic drugs as a percentage of total prescriptions has risen dramatically because of the increased focus on the cost of healthcare and patent expiration of top-selling branded drugs, and provide data showing that the share of generic medicines as percentage of prescriptions in the US increased dramatically from 36% in 1994 to 87% in 2015. Generic drugs supply chains are apparently more vulnerable than proprietary drugs supply chains. ING provide data for the Netherlands showing there was a sharp rise in medicine shortage in 2019 following the start of the US- China trade war in July 2018. think.ing.com/articles/why-there-is-no-end-in-sight-for-the-eu-drug-shortage-crab-carolina-lal-pharma/#:~:text=Demand%20for%20medicine%20has%20increased,regulation%20shortages%20of%20raw%20materials
6. As usual when the UK has a problem these days the anti-Brexit media jump to blame Brexit. My view is the opposite. The UK drug shortage problem is partly due to the UK's past membership of the EU. During EU membership there has be a large decline in UK self sufficiency in drugs and pharmaceuticals. The UK used to be one of the world's top nations for the supply of drugs and medicines. It is still a world leader in research and development, but even that has declined. Exporting of drugs has seen the UK slip down the world league and almost drop out of the top 10. This is a direct consequence of the UK being in the EU and production being relocated and developed more outside of the UK due to lower production costs and insufficient investment. If things carry on as they were during EU membership, India and Spain will overtake the UK as higher exporters of drugs and medicines. The trade balance picture is even worse. Where the UK used to be a major exporter of drugs and medicines to the world, it is now become a huge importer with only a slightly positive trade balance. www.ciip.group.cam.ac.uk/reports-and-articles/selling-less-and-buying-more-the-worsening-trade-balance-of-the-uk-pharmaceutical-industry/
This is another example of the damage done by EU membership. By being in a common market place, manufacturers and investors move to and develop where costs are lower or more government support is available. Throughout the UK's membership of the EEC and EU, it has been a major net financial contributor supporting the economies of Ireland (1973-2018), Spain (1986-2013), and most recently Poland.
7. Since Brexit however there is some light at the end of the tunnel and there are forecasts of increased UK production in the future. www.statista.com/outlook/hmo/pharmaceuticals/united-kingdom Let's all hope this proves to be true.
To summarise:
Drug shortages is a worldwide problem and there is no measurable contribution to the UK's shortage due to Brexit.
An underlying cause of the drug shortage in the UK is the decline in UK self-sufficiency during EU membership.
As I suspected. You think you know more about drug shortages than the pharmacist running a pharmacy who wrote the article. You are as arrogant as the Brexiteers you blindly followed like Cummings and Johnson. You contradict yourself enormously in your reply by saying “it’s a worldwide issue. But then saying we have the issue because we were a member of the EU! Which is correct? Trade barriers caused by brexit makes it worse for us. It is not caused by brexit but is exacerbated by brexit. As wannabee posted above, brexit makes a lot of things immediately worse, and then brexit also exacerbates problems too, like this one. As the pharmacist in the article says, “As a country, we are in total denial”. That certainly applies to you.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2024 6:05:22 GMT
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Post by knype on May 20, 2024 6:30:59 GMT
Liebour will soon fix everything, don't panic
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2024 6:52:46 GMT
Liebour will soon fix everything, don't panic Outstanding response....
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Post by oggyoggy on May 20, 2024 6:55:11 GMT
Liebour will soon fix everything, don't panic I’m glad you admit that everything has been ruined by the Tories and needs fixing by the next government.
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Post by knype on May 20, 2024 7:20:25 GMT
Liebour will soon fix everything, don't panic I’m glad you admit that everything has been ruined by the Tories and needs fixing by the next government. Its the same after every governments time in office! No change
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Post by knype on May 20, 2024 7:20:43 GMT
Liebour will soon fix everything, don't panic Outstanding response.... Facts though
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2024 7:30:01 GMT
Outstanding response.... Facts though You wouldn't know a fact if it punched you in the face mate.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 20, 2024 7:48:33 GMT
I’m glad you admit that everything has been ruined by the Tories and needs fixing by the next government. Its the same after every governments time in office! No change No, national debt has never been as high, the gap between the rich and the poor has never been as high, the nhs waiting list has never been so long, the tax take has never been so high, schools have never been so in dire need of funding, immigration has never been so high, cost of living has never been so high, food back use has never been so high, and no party has ever left people poorer at the end of their governance in comparison to the beginning until now. So there has been a monumental change for the worse in every single area.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2024 8:04:25 GMT
Its the same after every governments time in office! No change No, national debt has never been as high, the gap between the rich and the poor has never been as high, the nhs waiting list has never been so long, the tax take has never been so high, schools have never been so in dire need of funding, immigration has never been so high, cost of living has never been so high, food back use has never been so high, and no party has ever left people poorer at the end of their governance in comparison to the beginning until now. So there has been a monumental change for the worse in every single area. You should know by now that Knype doesn't do the detail.Ever.
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Post by mrcoke on May 20, 2024 8:16:41 GMT
When I worked at Redcar we bought coal from Australia. The cost of transport per tonne, which is largely energy, was lower from Australia than County Durham. That's because it is cheaper, more efficient, and less environmentally damaging per tonne to transport ship loads of over 100,000 s tonnes by sea around the world, than it is a lorry load of 40 tonnes by road for even a relatively short distance. In the future ships will be powered by wind and solar and green fuel. It is certainly far more environmentally damaging to transport by lorry across Europe. MrCoke I know I seldom engage directly with you on this thread, but this is a point you have made previously and which again fails completely to recognise that coal needs to be transported to the ports in Australia. It does not magic its way onto the ships. And I am sure you realise much of the coal in Europe will be transported by rail,probably electric train, as opposed to the diesels rumbling across Australia which a quck search reveal amounted to 89 billion tonne kilometres in 2015. Thankyou for your response. The cost paid for the transport of coal from Australia to the UK includes the costs (including energy) of moving coal from the mines to the ports. What is not appreciated is the scale of operations in Australia which is in terms of hundreds of millions of tonnes pa. Consequently the costs ( including energy) per tonne are very low. Operations are on a scale unimaginable to many British people. iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/P07-08_Coal%20M&L_KV_April2014_GSOK.pdfwww.istockphoto.com/photos/queensland-coal-mineThe point on coal is now largely academic as the UK coal usage is now minimal, buy the principal of transporting in large quantities still holds. Better to import refrigerated meat from New Zealand than smuggled meat from the EU. www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/09/port-of-dover-fears-gangs-of-meat-smugglers-looking-to-bypass-new-post-brexit-checkswww.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/national-pig-association-calls-for-tighter-imports-as-tonnes-of-illegal-meat-seized-at-dover/686952.articleuk.movies.yahoo.com/news/maggot-ridden-meat-among-illegal-164148976.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANCoK6OtvgIR5JQ1Q3FV38X0qzg_HQLTzlYcm3_5rkxObLc0DNgqSTYHFQXWhpDYYA8dauILHTjb-IwoayohnJwcwjKoPUA1vFaivlARBYDG_m4pvIE_791jyanWPIsPprl7bWPpLT98xw7MdziO6cWtG6Xlo15x5UPDHCgmfHsswww.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/24304409.illegal-meat-seized-dover-amid-funding-cuts/There is a cost in introducing checks on food and plants from the EU but it is in the best interests of UK consumers. The extra cost of checking EU food imports as well as RoW is a tiny proportion of the total food import cost.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 20, 2024 8:47:13 GMT
No, national debt has never been as high, the gap between the rich and the poor has never been as high, the nhs waiting list has never been so long, the tax take has never been so high, schools have never been so in dire need of funding, immigration has never been so high, cost of living has never been so high, food back use has never been so high, and no party has ever left people poorer at the end of their governance in comparison to the beginning until now. So there has been a monumental change for the worse in every single area. You should know by now that Knype doesn't do the detail.Ever. It doesn’t mean I will stop trying to educate him on that detail
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Post by wannabee on May 20, 2024 8:59:50 GMT
It's all so depressingly familiar Have you noticed the pattern that when being unable to carry out a rather moderately simple function at all which was at the core of Brexit "Take Back Control of our Borders" the response is always when UK does manage to do this simple task it's always going to be "World Class" Most people would settle for functional but these Jokers fumble around because they had no idea what they were getting themselves into with Brexit and spend hundreds of millions of excess money performing U-turn after U-turn delay after delay to carry out a basic function which the EU were able to do on Day 1 A particular Gem was the comment that Government weren't even clear they had the legislation in place to carry it out. To continue this decidedly unfunny Monty Pythonesque Fiasco First Prize goes to Gareth Davies, the head of the NAO, said: “The UK leaving the EU created a large-scale change in arrangements for the movement of goods across the border. However, more than three years after the end of the transition period, it is still not clear when full controls will be in place. And in the Special Category of stating the bloody obvious goes to Meg Hillier, the Labour MP who chairs the public accounts committee (PAC), said:“A key promise of Brexit was that we would take back control of our border. Yet more than three years after the end of the transition period, full import controls are still not in place"
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Post by knype on May 20, 2024 9:16:07 GMT
Facts though You wouldn't know a fact if it punched you in the face mate. Here we go again...
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Post by knype on May 20, 2024 9:16:51 GMT
No, national debt has never been as high, the gap between the rich and the poor has never been as high, the nhs waiting list has never been so long, the tax take has never been so high, schools have never been so in dire need of funding, immigration has never been so high, cost of living has never been so high, food back use has never been so high, and no party has ever left people poorer at the end of their governance in comparison to the beginning until now. So there has been a monumental change for the worse in every single area. You should know by now that Knype doesn't do the detail.Ever. No twitter link to say that?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2024 9:53:25 GMT
You should know by now that Knype doesn't do the detail.Ever. No twitter link to say that? No need is there?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 20, 2024 17:59:16 GMT
MrCoke I know I seldom engage directly with you on this thread, but this is a point you have made previously and which again fails completely to recognise that coal needs to be transported to the ports in Australia. It does not magic its way onto the ships. And I am sure you realise much of the coal in Europe will be transported by rail,probably electric train, as opposed to the diesels rumbling across Australia which a quck search reveal amounted to 89 billion tonne kilometres in 2015. Thankyou for your response. The cost paid for the transport of coal from Australia to the UK includes the costs (including energy) of moving coal from the mines to the ports. What is not appreciated is the scale of operations in Australia which is in terms of hundreds of millions of tonnes pa. Consequently the costs ( including energy) per tonne are very low. Operations are on a scale unimaginable to many British people. iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/P07-08_Coal%20M&L_KV_April2014_GSOK.pdfwww.istockphoto.com/photos/queensland-coal-mineThe point on coal is now largely academic as the UK coal usage is now minimal, buy the principal of transporting in large quantities still holds. Thankyou also. Yes, the scale of mining in Australia is massive but I see no justification for your claim that it is less environmentally damaging per tonne to import from mine in Australia to the UK than it is from a mine in Europe. Both sources are transported by rail to the ports where they are shipped on the cargo ships, the difference being the ship from Europe travels much less distance than the Australian one. Cheaper maybe, but that will be due to the high calorific content of coal outweighing the cost of the energy involved in transport.
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Post by mrcoke on May 21, 2024 8:23:05 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 22, 2024 23:30:41 GMT
Mr Coke you are lacking in self awareness Taking back Control of UK Borders was a central platform of Brexit In the 3 1/2 years since the end of Transition UK has done anything but take back Control by not imposing Bio Security Checks on Food Imports at the Border EU understood the importance and introduced them on Day 1 I'll let you into a secret, there are unscrupulous criminals who exploit the incompetent I don't object to Border Checks given the mess Brexit has landed us in. On the contrary I have consistently chided Government for not introducing them while you have previously maintained they were unnecessary This whole shambles underlines that Brexit was an I'll thought out idealology without even a basic plan of what it was supposed to achieve or how to carry it out. Now I've mentioned 3 1/2 years but it's actually 8 years since the Referendum enough time to get even the basics right. I'll share a second secret with you even after 3 1/2 / 8 years UK has still got it wrong. Japan Imports Food from EU under a Trade Agreement which the UK Rolled Over .... but there's a catch. UK can only export Food to Japan if the EU hasn't used the full quota, meaning none. Japan sends Inspectors equivalent to DEFRA Inspectors to EU Producers that export to Japan and qualify them to do so for 6/12 months. When Food arrives in Japan from these Exporters they pass unaided. If some Roumanian Crooks tried to send Horsemeat to Japan it's easily detected so they send it to UK instead. It a system of Trusted Trader with regular inspections so you don't do random but targeted inspections
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