|
Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 24, 2019 12:02:29 GMT
Proof, if needed, that it was never about "finding out if people still wanted Brexit". She, and others will never accept or respect Brexit. Democracy undermined might as well abolish parliament and voting. Makes me even more determined to leave, she's a total disgrace. She's got one fan....
|
|
|
Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 12:52:14 GMT
Not sensitive Fos, I was picking you up on how you were quick to jibe that they haven't offered to re-negotiate. It's not even started yet. I couldn't care less if people agree with me or not, crack on. My opinion is mine, you're entitled to yours. The valid arguments have been put across, why would I re-post what others have already said? I don't spend enough time on here to jump in with the latest snippet before others say what I agree with. As for your point about getting personal just read your last paragraph to yourself. I know as much about it all as you mate For someone who's quick to pick up on my jibes you're pretty slow at noticing that mine are always in retaliation to other jibes. ..and for someone who apparently doesn't care what others think, you're surprisingly selective on the jibes you pick up on. Riiight. So which one was the 'jibe' that you were 'jibing' back at? The one where someone pointed out that the new vice pres wants Corbyn and Johnson to get together and call a 2nd ref? Or the one where someone pointed out that some on here say the EU aren't bothered about us leaving? Neither seem to be a jibe to me. Wriggle and twist Fos. As for being selective you never seem to pick up the jibes from the likes of bath/oggy/rip. Maybe you're not bothered either way what happens as you put it but you seem to fall down on the remain side of the fence.
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 13:00:07 GMT
For someone who's quick to pick up on my jibes you're pretty slow at noticing that mine are always in retaliation to other jibes. ..and for someone who apparently doesn't care what others think, you're surprisingly selective on the jibes you pick up on. Riiight. So which one was the 'jibe' that you were 'jibing' back at? The one where someone pointed out that the new vice pres wants Corbyn and Johnson to get together and call a 2nd ref? Or the one where someone pointed out that some on here say the EU aren't bothered about us leaving? Neither seem to be a jibe to me. Wriggle and twist Fos. As for being selective you never seem to pick up the jibes from the likes of bath/oggy/rip. Maybe you're not bothered either way what happens as you put it but you seem to fall down on the remain side of the fence. I'm not really bothered what happens now no. Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things. ..and stop jibing.
|
|
|
Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2019 13:20:33 GMT
There's a lot of jibing going on here today i didn't know we had so many sailors onboard this forum ⛵
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Jul 24, 2019 13:24:07 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote. I think if the question was asked of most remain voters and they answered it honestly the response would be the same. There has never been an intent to respect the democratic outcome from remain unless it was the result they wanted.
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 13:26:13 GMT
Riiight. So which one was the 'jibe' that you were 'jibing' back at? The one where someone pointed out that the new vice pres wants Corbyn and Johnson to get together and call a 2nd ref? Or the one where someone pointed out that some on here say the EU aren't bothered about us leaving? Neither seem to be a jibe to me. Wriggle and twist Fos. As for being selective you never seem to pick up the jibes from the likes of bath/oggy/rip. Maybe you're not bothered either way what happens as you put it but you seem to fall down on the remain side of the fence. I'm not really bothered what happens now no. Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things. ..and stop jibing. "Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things." So do most people want to stay or leave then?
|
|
|
Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 13:35:57 GMT
I'm not really bothered what happens now no. Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things. ..and stop jibing. "Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things." So do most people want to stay or leave then? Leave At the last ask. We're still waiting. 40 yrs in - 40 years out. Then we should ask again if it's still what the people want. Seems the fairest possible outcome don't you think?
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 13:42:48 GMT
"Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things." So do most people want to stay or leave then? Leave At the last ask. We're still waiting. 40 yrs in - 40 years out. Then we should ask again if it's still what the people want. Seems the fairest possible outcome don't you think? The latest polls (some done by Murdochs mob ) And other more independent surveys suggest that remain would win. Im not saying its correct or wrong just stating the feeling of the country. So get on with it means (remain?) Its apparently what most people want.
|
|
|
Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2019 13:54:20 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen there you have it Caroline Lucas advocate of a people's vote just said if leave won again she would not accept that result either and would vote against a deal and no deal. So fuck right off you traitorous scumbag and fuck right off a second vote. I think if the question was asked of most remain voters and they answered it honestly the response would be the same. There has never been an intent to respect the democratic outcome from remain unless it was the result they wanted. I know they do not realise the consequences of this, no upcoming vote will be worth anything IF they overturn this. It's not about deal or no deal it's bigger than Brexit it's about fundamental democracy. Somebody will go to court over the next GE if they do not agree with the result. Government will not be able to function anymore with such interference so let's knock it all on the head. I'm a brexitier and I'm determined to leave, however if remain had won I would have moved on. That's an honest post, I've lost many votes in life in various things and I've never tried to overturn the democratic result. I have nothing but contempt for those who are trying to deny the vote in 2016.
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 14:26:27 GMT
I'm not really bothered what happens now no. Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things. ..and stop jibing. "Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things." So do most people want to stay or leave then? Well, the polls had it quite even. On one hand 'leave' got more votes so we should leave. On the other, if the promises made to secure those votes are proven to be blatantly false and never achievable, then I wouldn't see an issue in cancelling Brexit. After all the jibing is done, what's important is what's best for the country. Not bragging rights about which way you voted. There is no right or wrong vote here. If someone voted remain it doesn't make them wrong just because there were less votes. It just means they have a different opinion on what they think is best for the country based on the information they have and their own experiences. My concern isn't leaving the EU. If we leave and we end up better off than now then fantastic. I'll be happy to admit that I was a skeptical cunt. I've just never really seen the need to leave the EU as the UK isn't anywhere near as bad off as plenty of people make out. However, my concern now is leaving the EU based on what 'could be' false promises and a misguided sense of pride - whereby people are too stubborn to admit that what they voted for and what they're likely to now get are two totally different things. In either case, whether we leave or stay, I don't want the UK to be worse off. If that means that my (or anyone elses) opinion or posts throughout this whole process have been mainly false or correct, then who really cares.
|
|
|
Post by sorethumbs on Jul 24, 2019 14:26:48 GMT
Leave At the last ask. We're still waiting. 40 yrs in - 40 years out. Then we should ask again if it's still what the people want. Seems the fairest possible outcome don't you think? The latest polls (some done by Murdochs mob ) And other more independent surveys suggest that remain would win. Im not saying its correct or wrong just stating the feeling of the country. So get on with it means (remain?) Its apparently what most people want. No, it's not what people want, it's what you want to believe. If we went off the polls remain would have won back in 2016. I could probably write your response for you now using remainer bingo but I'll let you pick
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 14:51:12 GMT
The latest polls (some done by Murdochs mob ) And other more independent surveys suggest that remain would win. Im not saying its correct or wrong just stating the feeling of the country. So get on with it means (remain?) Its apparently what most people want. No, it's not what people want, it's what you want to believe. If we went off the polls remain would have won back in 2016. I could probably write your response for you now using remainer bingo but I'll let you pick Insult after insult tut tut . If thats how you want to conduct your life so be it.Also I didn't vote remain.You are doing well so far lad. One thing you are correct about though is the obvious jibe and the plainly obvious response. Does the change of mood in the country matter for anything?If it didn't we would still be hanging witches.
|
|
|
Post by starkiller on Jul 24, 2019 14:54:03 GMT
Remain no longer exists.
It ceased to exist on 23 June 2016.
Good fucking riddance.
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2019 15:01:20 GMT
Remain no longer exists. It ceased to exist on 23 June 2016. Good fucking riddance. So where are we now?
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 15:02:23 GMT
Those who are moaning about Boris.... the speech that he made outside number 10 on being made Prime Minister could and should have been made been a Labour leader. Obviously action speaks louder than words. But a vision and plan needs expression. At least he is positive and enthusiastic.
In comparison Corbyn seems like the archetypal moaning Minnie. Very sad really . Missed a trick. I hope that Boris can deliver.....I wouldn't have thought that there is much that he has said that traditional Labour supporters can take umbrage at.
He seems as though he believes what he is saying and wants to do it. No jokes or frivolity.Clarity. What else should we expect from a new PM on accepting the task? Step forward the usual gripers and nit-pickers
Let's hope that he can deliver.
|
|
|
Post by starkiller on Jul 24, 2019 15:07:50 GMT
Remain no longer exists. It ceased to exist on 23 June 2016. Good fucking riddance. So where are we now? With the other option on the ballot.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 15:23:45 GMT
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 15:26:10 GMT
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2019 16:00:13 GMT
"Like most people I just want it over and done with so the whole country can move on with more important things." So do most people want to stay or leave then? Well, the polls had it quite even. On one hand 'leave' got more votes so we should leave. On the other, if the promises made to secure those votes are proven to be blatantly false and never achievable, then I wouldn't see an issue in cancelling Brexit. After all the jibing is done, what's important is what's best for the country. Not bragging rights about which way you voted. There is no right or wrong vote here. If someone voted remain it doesn't make them wrong just because there were less votes. It just means they have a different opinion on what they think is best for the country based on the information they have and their own experiences. My concern isn't leaving the EU. If we leave and we end up better off than now then fantastic. I'll be happy to admit that I was a skeptical cunt. I've just never really seen the need to leave the EU as the UK isn't anywhere near as bad off as plenty of people make out. However, my concern now is leaving the EU based on what 'could be' false promises and a misguided sense of pride - whereby people are too stubborn to admit that what they voted for and what they're likely to now get are two totally different things. In either case, whether we leave or stay, I don't want the UK to be worse off. If that means that my (or anyone elses) opinion or posts throughout this whole process have been mainly false or correct, then who really cares. We will be worse off staying in the EU. We have a £70 billion pa trade deficit with the EU, which the Germans, French, Dutch, and others will ensure will get bigger and we will become a poor country like Greece with no industry. Ever closer union means we will lose the £ and have less and less control of our own laws. The Euro will displace the £ and Frankfurt the main financial centre instead of London. Brussels have stated that over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU. Most UK trade is outside the EU, we need to be free to grow it. The best think Boris said today was we start trade negotiations with the rest of the world now, something the EU have said we are not allowed to do under Teresa May's agreement, and we have to stay locked in to deals negotiated by Brussels with the rest of the world.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 16:14:05 GMT
Starmer has already been on MSM saying, gleefully, how Boris will find it difficult to get BREXIT through. Of course he will find it difficult..and therein lies the problem, people like Starmer, Swinson, Lucas Soubry etc won't accept the referendum result ( and others who said they would, but never actually did). The problem isn't the decision to leave the EU , the problem is our anti democratic MPs, supported by the media
|
|
|
Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2019 16:27:13 GMT
Starmer has already been on MSM saying, gleefully, how Boris will find it difficult to get BREXIT through. Of course he will find it difficult..and therein lies the problem, people like Starmer, Swinson, Lucas Soubry etc won't accept the referendum result ( and others who said they would, but never actually did). The problem isn't the decision to leave the EU , the problem is our anti democratic MPs, supported by the media Like minded = tossers.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 16:36:46 GMT
The predictably warm message of endorsement from Scotland's first minister.
Not.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2019 16:40:13 GMT
I'm genuinely curious to see how Boris will make Brexit happen by 31/10 noting the hardening of attitude in Parliament particularly by Labour but also the Remainers in his own party.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 16:45:13 GMT
I'm genuinely curious to see how Boris will make Brexit happen by 31/10 noting the hardening of attitude in Parliament particularly by Labour but also the Remainers in his own party. In one sense, he has an impossible task..... perhaps if he fails he could argue that it wasn't his fault and go to the country on that basis. I still think that he is right to say that he will deliver BREXIT by October 31 even knowing that it will be difficult.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 16:48:03 GMT
|
|
|
Post by vokeswagen on Jul 24, 2019 17:07:15 GMT
Remain no longer exists. It ceased to exist on 23 June 2016. Good fucking riddance. A completely facile argument, by whose logic leave ceased to exist on 5 June 1975.
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 17:11:30 GMT
Are you part of the BJ marketing team? I can't believe anyone is gullible enough to fall for this shit. Lol.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2019 17:25:20 GMT
Are you part of the BJ marketing team? I can't believe anyone is gullible enough to fall for this shit. Lol. I expected that from you ( and similar other "yous"). Very Predictable...,its not about me. He's made a good start hasn't he? What did you find wrong in his speech? It's easy to be negative and nit pick ....you have proved the point.
|
|
|
Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 24, 2019 17:30:12 GMT
“One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” comes to mind 🙄
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jul 24, 2019 17:33:48 GMT
Are you part of the BJ marketing team? I can't believe anyone is gullible enough to fall for this shit. Lol. I expected that from you ( and similar other "yous"). Very Predictable...,its not about me. He's made a good start hasn't he? What did you find wrong in his speech? It's easy to be negative and nit pick ....you have proved the point. I found his speech predictable, insincere and nauseating. A bit like when people feel the need to share their idols social media posts.
|
|