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Post by Davef on Jul 22, 2019 14:31:46 GMT
Even if it did, that's not really the point. Article 50 is the process of leaving the EU. Parliament voted for that because the referendum result dictated it. The wording of Article 50 states that in the following two year period, the EU and the UK negotiate their future relationship, which is the Withdrawal Agreement. Parliament rejected that. Either way, as things currently stand, the legal position is that the UK is due to leave the EU on October 31st. Not a cat in hells chance. Of what?
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 22, 2019 14:35:03 GMT
Not a cat in hells chance. Of what? Apologies, of the UK leaving before the 31st
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Post by Davef on Jul 22, 2019 14:37:20 GMT
Apologies, of the UK leaving before the 31st Probably yes, but it's the current legal position. The EU have said they'll grant an extension is there's worthy cause. That will probably be a General Election.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2019 17:10:48 GMT
Apologies, of the UK leaving before the 31st Probably yes, but it's the current legal position. The EU have said they'll grant an extension is there's worthy cause. That will probably be a General Election. An extension will need to be requested by the new prime minister. That's not going to happen regardless of Parliaments. Wishes . He will just run down the clock
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2019 17:14:35 GMT
publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/125/12503.htm#_idTextAnchor003Eggybread or the house of lords subcommittee its a difficult one but I will go for the Lords who basically say above your financial commitment argument is well bollocks once you leave you don't have to pay There must be some very generous pensions too as I have seen in a few places our contribution is £9 billion yet your (discredited) argument claims we have to pay up to 2020 (1 or 2 more years) even allowing for growth of budget and pensions which run for many years after but are not being paid up in full, this £39 billion seems very fishy. O yes that old contentious chestnut.We will pay up and as I have said before we are actually paying it off now. The 39 billion will be paid. Off over a few decades there isn't a chunk off money going to the EU to settle this in full
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 22, 2019 17:42:22 GMT
O yes that old contentious chestnut.We will pay up and as I have said before we are actually paying it off now. The 39 billion will be paid. Off over a few decades there isn't a chunk off money going to the EU to settle this in full Said this in a previous post.......the £39b has been widely stated as being what we owe to cover agreement and commitments made during the current fiscal period 2013-2020 and I get that. However our net annual contribution is stated as £9b or £63b over this period. We are one year away from a new fiscal period so where the fuck this £39b comes from I’ve no idea.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2019 17:55:05 GMT
The 39 billion will be paid. Off over a few decades there isn't a chunk off money going to the EU to settle this in full Said this in a previous post.......the £39b has been widely stated as being what we owe to cover agreement and commitments made during the current fiscal period 2013-2020 and I get that. However our net annual contribution is stated as £9b or £63b over this period. We are one year away from a new fiscal period so where the fuck this £39b comes from I’ve no idea. Our payments were going to increase to £15 billion PA Larwry We pay in full fo the 2 year transition period . That's £30 billion
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 22, 2019 18:05:59 GMT
Thanks for that article, which states what I have believed for 3 years and longer. We all have our own reasons for wanting to leave the EU: it is not the common market we joined 40 years ago, it is undemocratic, there is no financial accountability (no auditing of where money goes), we want sovereignty back (better to be ruled by our corrupt politicians who we choose and can get rid of, than corrupt Europeans we cannot touch), the cost of being a member, the massive £70 billion pa trade deficit with the EU, and the policy of ever closer union. It is populist at the moment to say we should cut foreign aid. A lot of foreign aid is "guilt money" we give to countries because their products, notably food, are barred or tariffed from entering the EU. We should be helping the third world by buying their products instead of subsidized/ protected EU products.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 22, 2019 18:20:24 GMT
Apologies, of the UK leaving before the 31st Probably yes, but it's the current legal position. The EU have said they'll grant an extension is there's worthy cause. That will probably be a General Election. Or another referendum. Or both 😳
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 22, 2019 18:24:07 GMT
Thanks for that article, which states what I have believed for 3 years and longer. We all have our own reasons for wanting to leave the EU: it is not the common market we joined 40 years ago, it is undemocratic, there is no financial accountability (no auditing of where money goes), we want sovereignty back (better to be ruled by our corrupt politicians who we choose and can get rid of, than corrupt Europeans we cannot touch), the cost of being a member, the massive £70 billion pa trade deficit with the EU, and the policy of ever closer union. It is populist at the moment to say we should cut foreign aid. A lot of foreign aid is "guilt money" we give to countries because their products, notably food, are barred or tariffed from entering the EU. We should be helping the third world by buying their products instead of subsidized/ protected EU products. What I would add to the article is that we need the political will and leadership to make BREXIT a success. We need to encourage entrepreneurship and a strategy not to rely upon the services industry but to develop high tech manufacturing whare possible. Also we need a vision to protect and enhance workers' conditions and rewards in a positive way, to reward work honestly and realistically,create a cooperative ethos not a " us and them " culture. Also there's not a lot wrong with putting Britain first for a while ( and starting a national debate about what that means, priorities and concerns...be it knife crime, NHS or education etc)
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 22, 2019 18:48:57 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 22, 2019 19:16:51 GMT
Time will tell which of us is correct. However I am quite confident that EU employees pensions will be funded by more than just their own contributions, a lot lot more! The least cost way of getting out of the EU is to walk away and let them sue us, and let the courts decide or agree an ooc settlement. That is the problem like with local authorities the pensions are probably being paid out of current deductions, nothing has been put aside or invested to pay for these long term hence trying to get the UK to pay for these however these staff worked for the EU and are paid by the EU so there is not a court in the world they can sue the UK in to change this. That's not strictly true, local authority pensions were well and truly raided to prop up Gordon brown's short lived government, along with the NHS pension pot.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 23, 2019 7:31:08 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done.
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233"
Probably by a Thai girl...
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 23, 2019 7:50:51 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... So nationalism is now being openly encouraged by grass roots Conservatives. You can tell the Second World War generation have sadly mostly passed away can't you. They were a great moral compass for us for so long. It's a shame so many people seem incapable of learning from history unless there's someone with first hand experience knocking around to explain it to them
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 23, 2019 7:54:22 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... So nationalism is now being openly encouraged by grass roots Conservatives. You can tell the Second World War generation have sadly mostly passed away can't you. They were a great moral compass for us for so long. It's a shame so many people seem incapable of learning from history unless there's someone with first hand experience knocking around to explain it to them The Golden Generation would turn in their graves
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Post by yeokel on Jul 23, 2019 8:17:45 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... So nationalism is now being openly encouraged by grass roots Conservatives. You can tell the Second World War generation have sadly mostly passed away can't you. They were a great moral compass for us for so long. It's a shame so many people seem incapable of learning from history unless there's someone with first hand experience knocking around to explain it to them I thought the referendum result was the fault of the old though? Wasn’t part of the reasoning for a second referendum that a load of old people will have died, and many more youngsters would be on the electoral roll? But now, the old are wise old sages whose common sense and experience is sadly missed? Luckily for you, I think there is a lot of us who have talked to and learned from the old. That’s why we voted the way we did, and will do so again if we have to, so rest assured that their spirit and belief in Great Britain carries on even if they are not here to see it for themselves.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 23, 2019 8:40:52 GMT
So nationalism is now being openly encouraged by grass roots Conservatives. You can tell the Second World War generation have sadly mostly passed away can't you. They were a great moral compass for us for so long. It's a shame so many people seem incapable of learning from history unless there's someone with first hand experience knocking around to explain it to them I thought the referendum result was the fault of the old though? Wasn’t part of the reasoning for a second referendum that a load of old people will have died, and many more youngsters would be on the electoral roll? But now, the old are wise old sages whose common sense and experience is sadly missed? Luckily for you, I think there is a lot of us who have talked to and learned from the old. That’s why we voted the way we did, and will do so again if we have to, so rest assured that their spirit and belief in Great Britain carries on even if they are not here to see it for themselves. Not sure why you've assumed I voted remain tbh mate (I didn't). I've certainly never suggested that the referendum result is the fault of anyone. It's just a referendum result. The point is that if the Tory councillor in the video is okay with nationalism then she certainly does not share the spirit and belief in Great Britain that our ancestors fought and died for.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 23, 2019 8:56:58 GMT
I thought the referendum result was the fault of the old though? Wasn’t part of the reasoning for a second referendum that a load of old people will have died, and many more youngsters would be on the electoral roll? But now, the old are wise old sages whose common sense and experience is sadly missed? Luckily for you, I think there is a lot of us who have talked to and learned from the old. That’s why we voted the way we did, and will do so again if we have to, so rest assured that their spirit and belief in Great Britain carries on even if they are not here to see it for themselves. Not sure why you've assumed I voted remain tbh mate (I didn't). I've certainly never suggested that the referendum result is the fault of anyone. It's just a referendum result. The point is that if the Tory councillor in the video is okay with nationalism then she certainly does not share the spirit and belief in Great Britain that our ancestors fought and died for. I’ve got the impression that you sympathise with the ‘Remain’ argument from the tone of your previous posts. If that’s incorrect, please accept my apology. You remind me a little of a poster who used to be here (perhaps still is) who voted ‘Leave’ because he misinterpreted a message written in big letters on the side of a bus. With hindsight, he wished he had voted for ‘Remain’, but he hadn’t.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 23, 2019 9:10:05 GMT
"misinterpreted" Lol
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 23, 2019 9:16:22 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... Love the German built car she is sitting in. Makes you feel so proud doesnt it?
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Post by yeokel on Jul 23, 2019 9:30:26 GMT
Don't mock him. It seems a lot of people made the same mistake; They seem to have thought it said one thing when it plainly said something else. Some still make the same mistake today I'm told.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 23, 2019 10:51:39 GMT
Not sure why you've assumed I voted remain tbh mate (I didn't). I've certainly never suggested that the referendum result is the fault of anyone. It's just a referendum result. The point is that if the Tory councillor in the video is okay with nationalism then she certainly does not share the spirit and belief in Great Britain that our ancestors fought and died for. I’ve got the impression that you sympathise with the ‘Remain’ argument from the tone of your previous posts. If that’s incorrect, please accept my apology. You remind me a little of a poster who used to be here (perhaps still is) who voted ‘Leave’ because he misinterpreted a message written in big letters on the side of a bus. With hindsight, he wished he had voted for ‘Remain’, but he hadn’t. I sympathise with both sides of the argument because I don't see the point in all the tribalistic nonsense people on here and in the wider world are involved in. It'll never make anything better. You remind me a little of someone who's deflecting from the fact a Tory councillor - ie a mainstream political party - is seemingly supporting nationalism in 2019
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Post by yeokel on Jul 23, 2019 10:58:53 GMT
I’ve got the impression that you sympathise with the ‘Remain’ argument from the tone of your previous posts. If that’s incorrect, please accept my apology. You remind me a little of a poster who used to be here (perhaps still is) who voted ‘Leave’ because he misinterpreted a message written in big letters on the side of a bus. With hindsight, he wished he had voted for ‘Remain’, but he hadn’t. I sympathise with both sides of the argument because I don't see the point in all the tribalistic nonsense people on here and in the wider world are involved in. It'll never make anything better. You remind me a little of someone who's deflecting from the fact a Tory councillor - ie a mainstream political party - is seemingly supporting nationalism in 2019 I haven't watched the video yet. I'm at work and whilst I can sneakily grab a few seconds to post here, I can't watch videos or play sound links. So I'm not really deflecting from anything.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 23, 2019 12:05:05 GMT
I sympathise with both sides of the argument because I don't see the point in all the tribalistic nonsense people on here and in the wider world are involved in. It'll never make anything better. You remind me a little of someone who's deflecting from the fact a Tory councillor - ie a mainstream political party - is seemingly supporting nationalism in 2019 I haven't watched the video yet. I'm at work and whilst I can sneakily grab a few seconds to post here, I can't watch videos or play sound links. So I'm not really deflecting from anything. Wouldn't worry about it mate. Not knowing much about the subject matter at hand is seldom a barrier to having a strong opinion on it on here
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 23, 2019 12:21:42 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2019 15:21:33 GMT
I thought Simon Coveney betrayed signs of shitting it, on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 23, 2019 15:41:14 GMT
I thought Simon Coveney betrayed signs of shitting it, on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Reality bites. Ireland sees themselves tied politically to Brussels, but economically they are bonded to London. Awkward for them. And they've made things more awkward for themselves by their silly posturing over the border.
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Post by Northy on Jul 23, 2019 16:01:03 GMT
Owah, Look. She’s had her nails done. "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07hkg1w/49053233" Probably by a Thai girl... who has, I can't see it ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2019 19:08:06 GMT
Yet another reason to leave the EU: Heidi Hautala, Vice President of the EU just said on LBC that Johnson and Corbyn should get together and call for a second referendum! Also mentioned "young voters" and Jo Swinson as evidence of Remain support and the possibility of turning Brexit around. Are these fuckers created in a laboratory or what?
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Post by thevoid on Jul 23, 2019 19:21:06 GMT
Yet another reason to leave the EU: Heidi Hautala, Vice President of the EU just said on LBC that Johnson and Corbyn should get together and call for a second referendum! Also mentioned "young voters" and Jo Swinson as evidence of Remain support and the possibility of turning Brexit around. Are these fuckers created in a laboratory or what? Hang on, I was informed on these very pages the other day that the EU weren't bothered about us leaving?
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