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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2019 17:32:05 GMT
Pie in the sky ....the purpose of the organisation is ever closer union The purpose of the EU is what the EU Parliament allows to be the purpose of the EU. Absolute nonsense. Read the treaties. The Parliament has no influence on the direction and purpose of the EU
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 24, 2019 17:37:25 GMT
The purpose of the EU is what the EU Parliament allows to be the purpose of the EU. Absolute nonsense. Read the treaties. The Parliament has no influence on the direction and purpose of the EU If nothing is passing through Parliament then the EU is going in no direction. I'm fairly sure you know this, as I've previously given examples of the EU Parliament voting down plans it doesn't like. If it didn't like a plan for further integration, it could stop it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2019 17:48:08 GMT
Absolute nonsense. Read the treaties. The Parliament has no influence on the direction and purpose of the EU If nothing is passing through Parliament then the EU is going in no direction. I'm fairly sure you know this, as I've previously given examples of the EU Parliament voting down plans it doesn't like. If it didn't like a plan for further integration, it could stop it. Complete nonsense You obviously don't understand what the project is about. What do you think that the purpose of the EU is? The mission ( hint: commission). What's your evidence for it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 17:49:36 GMT
Pie in the sky ....the purpose of the organisation is ever closer union The purpose of the EU is what the EU Parliament allows to be the purpose of the EU. Somebody had better tell that to Guy bleedin' Verhofstadt. His recent tweet about the new European Border & Coast Guard is a perfect example and says it all. The countries, MEP'S and voters are nothing more than a nuisance and an obstacle getting in the way of the "project" "For four years we fought to get a European Border & Coast Guard. EU countries were blocking, but we managed to get it done: 10000 extra border officers in 2027. We should not wait for 2027, but do it now!" As Jean Claude Drunker famously said " If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 17:53:38 GMT
Brexit Party upcoming election rallies - they're certainly spreading the word
Next week Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, candidate Anne Widdecombe and some other candidates will be speaking at election rallies in:
Newport – Tuesday 30th April Newton Abbott – Wednesday 1st May Fylde – Saturday 4 th May
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 18:29:12 GMT
Extract from Press Association article
Brexit news: Relief for May as Tory MPs' bid to change rules to topple her fails
Theresa May has survived the latest attempt to oust her from office after senior Conservative backbenchers decided not to change party rules to allow another vote of no confidence in her leadership. Their 1922 Committee, which represents Tory MPs, rejected calls by Brexiteers to allow such a vote as early as June – sticking to a restriction which will prevent the challenge before December. Under current party rules, a vote of no confidence can only be held once a year. Ms May won a no-confidence vote last December, meaning another cannot take place until the end of the year. Eurosceptic critics of Ms May had asked the 1922 Committee executive to change the rules to allow another poll but they declined to do so. Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee, said the matter was now "settled". However, Ms May will be asked to provide "clarity" on if and when she plans to step down if she is unable to get a Brexit deal through parliament. The decision was announced at a meeting of all Conservative MPs on Wednesday evening. One MP present said: "She's on notice that she has got to resolve this one way or the other."
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Post by Absolution on Apr 24, 2019 18:39:18 GMT
Extract from Press Association article Brexit news: Relief for May as Tory MPs' bid to change rules to topple her fails Theresa May has survived the latest attempt to oust her from office after senior Conservative backbenchers decided not to change party rules to allow another vote of no confidence in her leadership. Fiddling while Rome burns. No conviction in politics today. No one dares or is able to make a decision.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 24, 2019 19:04:36 GMT
Extract from Press Association article Brexit news: Relief for May as Tory MPs' bid to change rules to topple her fails Theresa May has survived the latest attempt to oust her from office after senior Conservative backbenchers decided not to change party rules to allow another vote of no confidence in her leadership. Fiddling while Rome burns. No conviction in politics today. No one dares or is able to make a decision. No that’s to help protect the next leader from regular challenges May’s gone in the next fortnight the day after the local elections The 1922 committee only act in haste when it’s time for the knife all the other times they play the long game
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Post by Absolution on Apr 24, 2019 19:13:08 GMT
Fiddling while Rome burns. No conviction in politics today. No one dares or is able to make a decision. No that’s to help protect the next leader from regular challenges May’s gone in the next fortnight the day after the local elections The 1922 committee only act in haste when it’s time for the knife all the other times they play the long game Fair enough. I can't see anything dislodging her until she's finished whatever job she's intent on doing, but hopefully you're right.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 24, 2019 19:20:51 GMT
No that’s to help protect the next leader from regular challenges May’s gone in the next fortnight the day after the local elections The 1922 committee only act in haste when it’s time for the knife all the other times they play the long game Fair enough. I can't see anything dislodging her until she's finished whatever job she's intent on doing, but hopefully you're right. If the Tory vote collapses in the local election and hundreds of councillors are lost she’s toast The conservatives do not accept defeat well and will promptly remove the problem She had a narrow escape at the last GE eight of her lives have gone The ninth is hovering over the abyss that is the electorate
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 19:25:35 GMT
They're all just spineless aren't they ?
The Tories can't get their act together and oust May even after she's almost completely destroyed the party. If as expected the EU election is the disaster that's anticipated then she will be shown the door pretty sharpish I think irrespective of whatever "procedure" is currently in place.
Same with the TIG mob ! None of them had the bottle to face a by-election after resigning from their respective parties, yet they were banging on about trust, truth, and democracy at yesterday's press conference. Heidi Allen, Chuka Umunna, and Anna bloody Sourberry and all the rest - utterly shameless, two faced shysters. After reading the comments on line from the general public I reckon they'll be lucky to finish last ! Everybody (or most people anyway) can see them for what they really are.
Labour still can't decide what they are either - Jezza and Starmer/Watson etc are at odds over the second referendum, and Jezza still can't make his mind up if he's a Remainer or Leaver (depends which way the winds blowing).
It needs a seismic kick up the proverbial and a complete shake up of the Parliamentary "system".
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Post by Absolution on Apr 24, 2019 19:33:38 GMT
Fair enough. I can't see anything dislodging her until she's finished whatever job she's intent on doing, but hopefully you're right. If the Tory vote collapses in the local election and hundreds of councillors are lost she’s toast The conservatives do not accept defeat well and will promptly remove the problem She had a narrow escape at the last GE eight of her lives have gone The ninth is hovering over the abyss that is the electorate Sounds a bit like when you're getting battered by the opposition at 0-0, but deciding to wait til you're three goals down before making the substitutions. Everyone can see the Tories are going to get battered, though I can see some merit in sticking to their rules rather than looking panicked into a knee-jerk reaction.
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Post by ravey123 on Apr 24, 2019 20:02:23 GMT
They're all just spineless aren't they ? The Tories can't get their act together and oust May even after she's almost completely destroyed the party. If as expected the EU election is the disaster that's expected then she will be shown the door pretty sharpish I think irrespective of whatever "procedure" is currently in place. Same with the TIG mob ! None of them had the bottle to face a by-election after resigning from their respective parties, yet they were banging on about trust, truth, and democracy at yesterday's press conference. Heidi Allen, Chuka Umunna, and Anna bloody Sourberry and all the rest - utterly shameless, two faced shysters. After reading the comments on line from the general public I reckon they'll be lucky to finish last ! Everybody (or most people anyway) can see them for what they really are. Labour still can't decide what they are either - Jezza and Starmer/Watson etc are at odds over the second referendum, and Jezza still can't make his mind up if he's a Remainer or Leaver (depends which way the winds blowing). It needs a seismic kick up the proverbial and a complete shake up of the Parliamentary "system". I am 100% convinced that the European Elections will not take place. We all know that Brexit/UKIP parties are going to do really well in the European elections. None know more so than the Tories and Labour who are expecting an absolute hammering in the Euros so will do anything (including signing a shite joint deal) to prevent the Euro elections from happening. I've not seen it confirmed anywhere but is there a date after which the Euro elections cannot be cancelled - didn't Mr Farage say the cut off is 4pm tomorrow after which there is no stopping the Euro elections
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2019 20:10:00 GMT
They're all just spineless aren't they ? The Tories can't get their act together and oust May even after she's almost completely destroyed the party. If as expected the EU election is the disaster that's expected then she will be shown the door pretty sharpish I think irrespective of whatever "procedure" is currently in place. Same with the TIG mob ! None of them had the bottle to face a by-election after resigning from their respective parties, yet they were banging on about trust, truth, and democracy at yesterday's press conference. Heidi Allen, Chuka Umunna, and Anna bloody Sourberry and all the rest - utterly shameless, two faced shysters. After reading the comments on line from the general public I reckon they'll be lucky to finish last ! Everybody (or most people anyway) can see them for what they really are. Labour still can't decide what they are either - Jezza and Starmer/Watson etc are at odds over the second referendum, and Jezza still can't make his mind up if he's a Remainer or Leaver (depends which way the winds blowing). It needs a seismic kick up the proverbial and a complete shake up of the Parliamentary "system". I am 100% convinced that the European Elections will not take place. We all know that Brexit/UKIP parties are going to do really well in the European elections. None know more so than the Tories and Labour who are expecting an absolute hammering in the Euros so will do anything (including signing a shite joint deal) to prevent the Euro elections from happening. I've not seen it confirmed anywhere but is there a date after which the Euro elections cannot be cancelled - didn't Mr Farage say the cut off is 4pm tomorrow after which there is no stopping the Euro elections I know what you mean Ravey. I've heard that it's too late to stop them On the other hand if Theresa and Jeremy come up with a deal and get it through parliament ( highly unlikely surely and if they did it would simply and clearly be a cynical treacherous ) deal) presumably the elections would be pointless.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2019 20:12:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:21:04 GMT
Press Association report from just before Easter :
Theresa May has “no chance” of passing her Brexit deal in time to pull the UK out of the European parliament elections and avoid a likely devastating defeat, experts have concluded. Time has already effectively run out on attempts to ratify the agreement by 22 May, they say – despite the prime minister insisting talks with Labour can still deliver a compromise before the deadline.
The verdict puts the Conservatives on course to lose most of their MEPs, polls suggest, as Leave voters protest at the failure to deliver Brexit, a disastrous result that would trigger huge pressure on Ms May to resign.
More talks with Labour are planned, as No 10 claims the complex (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill – required to ratify EU withdrawal – can clear parliament before voters go to the polls on 23 May.
But two respected think tanks have said the timetable is a fantasy, with one suggesting it will take “several months” to approve the legislation, which could involve up to 100 votes.
Unlike the simple meaningful vote, the full legislation will trigger lengthy and gruelling parliamentary trench warfare, with echoes of the bitter battles over the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties. Approval of Maastricht took 41 days in 1993, while Lisbon required 25 days in 2008 – but there are only 17 sitting days planned before 22 May.
Joe Owen, programme director at the Institute for Government, said: “It looks highly unlikely the government will be able to pass the (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill by the end of May, given the political challenge facing the prime minister.”
Pointing to huge controversies surrounding the Brexit divorce bill, the Irish backstop and protecting EU citizens’ rights, he added: “All of these things will be open to amendment by backbenchers.”
Dr Alan Wager, a researcher for the UK in a Changing Europe think tank, said: “It’s likely to take several months to pass the bill, given how long comparable legislation has taken to pass historically.
“Looking at the window before the European elections – which is three weeks maximum [after the Easter recess] – there is no way MPs are going to agree to that, no chance of that whatsoever.” Dr Wager predicted a flashpoint prompted by Remain MPs over a "Confirmatory Vote" referendum, as well as Brexiteer anger over the deal, saying: “The government is going to be squeezed from both sides.” Addressing MPs last week, after a late-night Brussels summit agreed a further Brexit delay until 31 October, the prime minister insisted a rapid passage of the deal was still possible.
“Let us then resolve to find a way through this impasse so that we can leave the European Union with a deal as soon as possible, so that we can avoid having to hold those European parliamentary elections,” she said.
Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary, argued the predicted disaster for the Tories of asking voters to elect MEPs could still be averted. “I think the absolute priority for Theresa May is to get Brexit over the line before 23 May, so that we don’t end up fighting the European parliament elections,” he said.
But Dr Wager pointed out the government had lost a staggering one-third of Brexit votes since last summer, with a further 60-100 likely when the bill arrives. And Mr Owen warned the bill could “end up so badly amended” that it contradicted the deal itself, leaving the European parliament unable to ratify it. Two polls have put the Tories on 16 per cent and 17 per cent for the May elections – far adrift of Labour on 24 and 29 per cent respectively.
The party has never sunk so low since the 1832 Great Reform Act expanded the franchise, prompting Mr Hunt to admit the prime minister could be forced out of No 10 by such a result.
A government source admitted that Labour will be tempted to allow the talks to run and run because of the predicted heavy losses for the Conservatives.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 24, 2019 21:00:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 21:07:26 GMT
Ha ha ha, cracking photo of Jezza - looks like he's going to punch that old lady ! Obviously made a good impression with her Farage is spot on isn't he - total and utter betrayal by almost all of them in the House of Conmen. Roll on 23rd May ! The fight back begins !
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 24, 2019 22:26:52 GMT
Ha ha ha, cracking photo of Jezza - looks like he's going to punch that old lady ! Obviously made a good impression with her Farage is spot on isn't he - total and utter betrayal by almost all of them in the House of Conmen. Roll on 23rd May ! The fight back begins ! If Jezza knocked on my door he’d get a custard pie in the face, Tiswas style! 😀... I can’t wait for the European elections.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 25, 2019 11:28:05 GMT
Got my polling card today. Farage has my vote
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 12:49:21 GMT
Another impressive press conference for the Brexit Party in Manchester this morning.
More EU election candidates announced and actually good to see some really normal people who have actually done a real job and achieved things in life, and who are now standing up for the Brexit Party. A wide spectrum of people from all races, social backgrounds, and sexual orientation - it really rather dispels the stereotypical image that's been painted of a Brexit voter being a thick, racist, homophobe, and xenophobe who didn't know what they were voting for.
One thing is for sure, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and it looks like things are definitely destined to change.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 25, 2019 12:56:23 GMT
Extract from Press Association article Brexit news: Relief for May as Tory MPs' bid to change rules to topple her fails Theresa May has survived the latest attempt to oust her from office after senior Conservative backbenchers decided not to change party rules to allow another vote of no confidence in her leadership. Their 1922 Committee, which represents Tory MPs, rejected calls by Brexiteers to allow such a vote as early as June – sticking to a restriction which will prevent the challenge before December. Under current party rules, a vote of no confidence can only be held once a year. Ms May won a no-confidence vote last December, meaning another cannot take place until the end of the year. Eurosceptic critics of Ms May had asked the 1922 Committee executive to change the rules to allow another poll but they declined to do so. Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee, said the matter was now "settled". However, Ms May will be asked to provide "clarity" on if and when she plans to step down if she is unable to get a Brexit deal through parliament. The decision was announced at a meeting of all Conservative MPs on Wednesday evening. One MP present said: "She's on notice that she has got to resolve this one way or the other." This is a huge own goal for the Tories...it’s like they are trying to destroy themselves. I really do think we could be seeing the sea change in politics that is long overdue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 13:10:31 GMT
Extract from Press Association article Brexit news: Relief for May as Tory MPs' bid to change rules to topple her fails Theresa May has survived the latest attempt to oust her from office after senior Conservative backbenchers decided not to change party rules to allow another vote of no confidence in her leadership. Their 1922 Committee, which represents Tory MPs, rejected calls by Brexiteers to allow such a vote as early as June – sticking to a restriction which will prevent the challenge before December. Under current party rules, a vote of no confidence can only be held once a year. Ms May won a no-confidence vote last December, meaning another cannot take place until the end of the year. Eurosceptic critics of Ms May had asked the 1922 Committee executive to change the rules to allow another poll but they declined to do so. Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee, said the matter was now "settled". However, Ms May will be asked to provide "clarity" on if and when she plans to step down if she is unable to get a Brexit deal through parliament. The decision was announced at a meeting of all Conservative MPs on Wednesday evening. One MP present said: "She's on notice that she has got to resolve this one way or the other." This is a huge own goal for the Tories...it’s like they are trying to destroy themselves. I really do think we could be seeing the sea change in politics that is long overdue. I wish Wheres the change? Another labour government? Remember everyone saying the same about getting rid of brown and Blair Each time we vote in a new labour, conservative government we are no better off. In fact it gets worse We'll never learn unless the whole system is changed and we stop splitting our own voting fucking blue or cunt eyed red
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 25, 2019 13:32:50 GMT
Ha ha ha, cracking photo of Jezza - looks like he's going to punch that old lady ! Obviously made a good impression with her Farage is spot on isn't he - total and utter betrayal by almost all of them in the House of Conmen. Roll on 23rd May ! The fight back begins ! Is that a caption competition : “You shagged Abbott twice “
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Post by hoffgreen on Apr 25, 2019 16:35:46 GMT
Whilst I want a change in politics IMHO the brexit party will split the leave vote. Won't matter as much in the EU elections as it's PR but come the locals and a future GE whenever that may be this will just lead to a corbyn government. There is a growing movement in this country for a populist direction in politics but I feel it will hit the buffers when it comes to how the votes are arrived at in FPTP.... Nailed my colours to UKIP FWIW Love Farage for what he did to get us out of the EU but put simply his new party is a vote splitter.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 25, 2019 17:09:57 GMT
Whilst I want a change in politics IMHO the brexit party will split the leave vote. Won't matter as much in the EU elections as it's PR but come the locals and a future GE whenever that may be this will just lead to a corbyn government. There is a growing movement in this country for a populist direction in politics but I feel it will hit the buffers when it comes to how the votes are arrived at in FPTP.... Nailed my colours to UKIP FWIW Love Farage for what he did to get us out of the EU but put simply his new party is a vote splitter. Hate to say it, but that was my first thought, too.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2019 17:17:49 GMT
Ha ha ha, cracking photo of Jezza - looks like he's going to punch that old lady ! Obviously made a good impression with her Farage is spot on isn't he - total and utter betrayal by almost all of them in the House of Conmen. Roll on 23rd May ! The fight back begins ! If Jezza knocked on my door he’d get a custard pie in the face, Tiswas style! 😀... I can’t wait for the European elections. If he knocked on my door a ten stone leonberger would have his jaws wrapped round his fucking scrawny Marxist throat.
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 25, 2019 17:17:51 GMT
Whilst I want a change in politics IMHO the brexit party will split the leave vote. Won't matter as much in the EU elections as it's PR but come the locals and a future GE whenever that may be this will just lead to a corbyn government. There is a growing movement in this country for a populist direction in politics but I feel it will hit the buffers when it comes to how the votes are arrived at in FPTP.... Nailed my colours to UKIP FWIW Love Farage for what he did to get us out of the EU but put simply his new party is a vote splitter. Hate to say it, but that was my first thought, too. Unless they just smash it and win themselves!
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 25, 2019 17:20:12 GMT
Got my polling card today. Farage has my vote Dito four votes in my house.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 25, 2019 17:27:02 GMT
Got my polling card today. Farage has my vote Dito four votes in my house. Hopefully I will have a candidate to vote for.
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