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Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2019 18:33:05 GMT
May looks very uncomfortable in this exchange to me....it's as though she got been caught lying. The DUP man said nothing that hasn't been said in this thread on many occasions - the border question in NI is a red herring non-issue. The difference now is it is official. TM should look sheepish. Because she has allowed this nonsense to dominate Brexit discussion. What she should have done is get it kicked it into touch by forcing the EU to come clear about their approach in the case of No Deal. Utterly pathetic. the back stop is a mechanism to keep us tied and also offers an easy way back in
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2019 18:34:53 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda. She's talking out of her backside though. WTO is not a "deal". Dave, I actually know what you mean here, obviously it's not as simple as that...... but for me the principle remains that it is possible not to be in the EU and to be a trading nation. Then if the two parties want and can agree a better trading arrangement of course that is preferable. Unfortunately neither party a) genuinely wanted for the UK to leave and b) had no intention of coming to a good arrangement in good faith....The EU wanted to both punish Britain, warn others and to make the deal do bad that we wouldn't want to leave. May was both an incompetent negotiator and , in my opinion, completely deceitful verging on treachery.....So to get back to your point we should have been planning for a WTO ( " no deal") from March 2016 with the hope that we could get a deal that fulfilled the BREXIT that we were promised.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2019 18:35:32 GMT
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Post by 4372 on Mar 25, 2019 18:36:44 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) They've probably got work commitments anyway. Not everyone can stand outside Westminster acting like a petulant, entitled twat for days on end. Or give up their own time to spend a day in peaceful support of a legitimate point of view. Better than slowing down traffic on the motorway.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 25, 2019 18:39:59 GMT
Friday: This is still written into law as the day the UK leaves the EU, but the PM has said she will try to change that this week. If she succeeds, the earliest Brexit will happen is 12 April. [BBC].Interesting if true. Leadsom has already tabled that there will be no business this Friday. So if no/failed MV3 and IV's keep the children entertained until bed time on Thursday...??? Conservative MP Simon Hoare asks when the secondary legislation needed to change the 29 March Brexit date will be put before MPs to vote on.
After checking, Theresa May says the statutory instrument will be put before the House on Wednesday.
Pity. This is the moment of confirmed betrayal of democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 18:53:47 GMT
I just hope the electorate remember the M.P.'s actions at the next general election. These shysters deserve to be humiliated in public and lose their seats. I fear that people will just be apathetic and a lot of people will just vote for their normal party politics so these scumbags will get re-elected.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 25, 2019 19:05:11 GMT
I really don't know what to think of it all, to be perfectly honest. I voted remain and would still do so today but I'm fed up of falling out over it to be honest. I commend those that marched for what they believed in and it showed that there are people who care enough about it to protest in such a way but, if they were virtually all people who voted to Remain anyway, then I don't really know what it proved. I'd be interested to see if any/many were people who had voted Leave but changed their mind based on what's come out over the past three years. Personally, I still don't see the benefit/point in leaving the EU, given that I'm happy with my lot personally and for the business that I work for. If that's short sighted then so be it but I don't quite understand why anyone would be willing to risk it, unless they really believe that the EU is holding them back so much personally, or the UK as a whole is losing out. Of course there's always the question of "What if?" but what if it's a huge failure? What if we end up on our arse? The fact seems to me, that the powers that be have had nearly 3 years to draw something up that suits enough people to get it passed. As it is, it's either piss-poor negotiation from May etc failing to get a good deal or MP's being deliberately awkward to make it as difficult as possible to leave. If those at the top don't have the ability or will to manage it, then how on earth anyone can remain confident in leaving is a bit of a mystery to me again I'm afraid. I read often that Leavers essentially for a "No Deal" anyway, they just wanted out of the EU but, to me, that means everything we know today is ripped up and started again from A to Z, from one to one million. Why would you want to plunge the country into such a potentially desperate situation? This vote has done nothing but a drive a huge wedge between Leave and Remain voters to the point where it borders on dangerous. This isn't something that will ever stopped being referenced. If we leave as planned and something does go tits up, you know that Brexit will be the reason for it and the bad blood continues to trickle. If there's another vote, things again will get nasty. I think my personal opinion at the moment is that if the government and MP's really wanted to leave and get a deal that didn't ruin us, then it would have been sorted by now. The march wasn't because Remainers wanted to overthrow democracy, it's because it's been three years of piss-poor, embarrassing leadership where lie after lie has been unearthed and MP after MP has fucked off. I think whatever happens, there will now be dislike bordering on hatred on both sides of the fence and the government could have a potential horror show to deal with. We were supposed to be going in four days time yet here we are, still arguing about the same bollocks we were three years ago. If it wasn't so serious, it'd be laughable. Bravo. Brilliant summary. More or less my thoughts.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 25, 2019 19:08:43 GMT
My answer would always be peace and love. In an unreal world so would mine. It's nice of you to admit you're clueless. If it makes you happy.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 25, 2019 19:11:09 GMT
I just hope the electorate remember the M.P.'s actions at the next general election. These shysters deserve to be humiliated in public and lose their seats. I fear that people will just be apathetic and a lot of people will just vote for their normal party politics so these scumbags will get re-elected. Fear mate. It's all about fear. That's what our country's come to. People will still vote Tory because they fear Labour, and vice versa. People will vote for May's deal or some other deal because they fear no Brexit, or WTO. There's nothing worth voting for, just a barrel load of shit to vote against. The game's over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 19:17:19 GMT
All the rats are there now - Soubry, Cooper, Grieve, Letwin - all congratulating each other and back slapping. Complete and utter shysters !
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Post by 4372 on Mar 25, 2019 19:19:48 GMT
An excerpt from the Daily Telegraph leader column today, for those who try to argue that the Tories are not responsible for this mess. Yes, The Daily Telegraph.
The Tories would argue that they are handling factors beyond their control, but they created their own misfortunes. David Cameron decided not to plan for a Leave result after the referendum; he chose to walk away when he lost. No 10 bungled the 2017 campaign, returning a minority government. Mrs May selected the red lines for negotiations and opted to give Brussels almost everything it wanted from the outset. The deal she got back from the EU was Remain-in-all-but-name.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 19:23:03 GMT
I just hope the electorate remember the M.P.'s actions at the next general election. These shysters deserve to be humiliated in public and lose their seats. I fear that people will just be apathetic and a lot of people will just vote for their normal party politics so these scumbags will get re-elected. Fear mate. It's all about fear. That's what our country's come to. People will still vote Tory because they fear Labour, and vice versa. People will vote for May's deal or some other deal because they fear no Brexit, or WTO. There's nothing worth voting for, just a barrel load of shit to vote against. The game's over. I agree, but all those main protagonists who've gone out of their way to derail the process (Soubry, Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, etc etc etc ) should be either de-selected or lose their seats by the electorate voting for an alternative candidate. Some M.P. has just asked to make sure that revoking A50 is also included in future votes - what an utter bastard ! Hope his constituency is happy !
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Post by 4372 on Mar 25, 2019 19:29:38 GMT
Fear mate. It's all about fear. That's what our country's come to. People will still vote Tory because they fear Labour, and vice versa. People will vote for May's deal or some other deal because they fear no Brexit, or WTO. There's nothing worth voting for, just a barrel load of shit to vote against. The game's over. I agree, but all those main protagonists who've gone out of their way to derail the process (Soubry, Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, etc etc etc ) should be either de-selected or lose their seats by the electorate voting for an alternative candidate. Some M.P. has just asked to make sure that revoking A50 is also included in future votes - what an utter bastard ! Hope his constituency is happy ! And should the same apply to Kate Hoey?
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Post by Absolution on Mar 25, 2019 19:30:37 GMT
Fear mate. It's all about fear. That's what our country's come to. People will still vote Tory because they fear Labour, and vice versa. People will vote for May's deal or some other deal because they fear no Brexit, or WTO. There's nothing worth voting for, just a barrel load of shit to vote against. The game's over. I agree, but all those main protagonists who've gone out of their way to derail the process (Soubry, Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, etc etc etc ) should be either de-selected or lose their seats by the electorate voting for an alternative candidate. Some M.P. has just asked to make sure that revoking A50 is also included in future votes - what an utter bastard ! Hope his constituency is happy ! How many of us live and breathe this stuff though, or at least care enough to want to do something about it? I suspect the vast majority aren't really all that connected or fussed. I genuinely hope I'm massively wrong and these utter twats are brought down.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 19:33:42 GMT
Fear mate. It's all about fear. That's what our country's come to. People will still vote Tory because they fear Labour, and vice versa. People will vote for May's deal or some other deal because they fear no Brexit, or WTO. There's nothing worth voting for, just a barrel load of shit to vote against. The game's over. I agree, but all those main protagonists who've gone out of their way to derail the process (Soubry, Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, etc etc etc ) should be either de-selected or lose their seats by the electorate voting for an alternative candidate. Some M.P. has just asked to make sure that revoking A50 is also included in future votes - what an utter bastard ! Hope his constituency is happy ! What goes around comes around they will get their comeuppance along with the rest of the traitors.
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Post by 4372 on Mar 25, 2019 19:41:46 GMT
"Traitors" -lol
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2019 19:47:37 GMT
When this utter cunt-housery has been made offical and we remain, i will lay a pound to a pinch of dogshit that the wankers at the BBC turn their moral standing to all this as "a betrayal of the people"
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 19:50:31 GMT
This self-appointed Tory Remainer-in-Chief made herself available to the BBC (ever eager to give a platform to any anti-Brexit Tory) to give unsolicited and unhelpful advice to her boss, Theresa May.
Ever since the referendum, many of her colleagues have regarded the Nottinghamshire MP as a traitor.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 25, 2019 19:53:31 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 25, 2019 19:55:19 GMT
Let's keep it simple. We voted out. We should leave.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 19:57:26 GMT
He's the cheaper remoaner version without the balls.
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2019 20:03:28 GMT
Is the number of properties owned by arch remainer and all round wankstain Tony Blair
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Post by pearo on Mar 25, 2019 20:04:29 GMT
Did you get an abacus for your birthday?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 20:07:12 GMT
Anybody listening to Dominic Grieve ? He's banging on and on about there being a huge swing in the electorate towards a second referendum, which in his view is completely democratic., and he hopes it will end in overturning the 2016 result.
All these M.P.'s are so bloody self-righteous, they're 100% blaming the Government for failing to get Brexit delivered (a lot of it is justified) but they're carefully forgetting the fact that the vast majority of M.P.'s are Remainers who will do absolutely anything to stop Brexit. There seems to be an overall push towards a second referendum from the M.P.'s so it looks like we can resign ourselves to staying in the EU.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 20:49:06 GMT
Did you get an abacus for your birthday? A shoebox full of millipedes he's counting the legs, don't interrupt him he might miss one.
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Post by Davef on Mar 25, 2019 21:07:46 GMT
She's talking out of her backside though. WTO is not a "deal". It was part of leave though ! we will be leaving the customs union and single market that was made more than clear by call me Dave before the once in a lifetime referendum remember that ? not that it will happen due to the new definition of democracy in the UK So who's this imaginary deal with then?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 25, 2019 21:51:32 GMT
Eurotunnel using tech to keep the border flowing. I like the Brexit and beyond hashtag. Not temporary. Not a one off. Just using tech at borders. Who'd a thunk it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 21:57:06 GMT
Just switched the debate back on and M.P. after M.P. are all standing up and basically saying there must be a people's vote as "the only fair way to resolve this and heal the rift in the country".
One just said that Parliament couldn't ignore the 1 million protesters and 5 million who've signed the petition as "their voices can't be ignored" - funny that they have no problem ignoring the 17.4 million who voted Leave.
Let's face it fellas Parliament will work it so that we'll be remaining in the EU by one means or another and are going to "let the people decide," so that they can be absolved of all blame.
If they think this will "heal the rift in the country" I think they're sadly mistaken !
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 25, 2019 22:21:25 GMT
Ministers falling like Dominoes.
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Post by chad on Mar 25, 2019 22:34:24 GMT
Pretty sure now that a GE is only a few weeks ago. Can’t seeLabour getting in as long as clown Corbyn is in charge. Probably end up with another fudged up coalition So that’ll be useful ,,,,,,,
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