|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2019 14:06:24 GMT
I actually agree, the arrogance of some of the remainers in thinking they know best is laughable. The protest at the weekend was like a trip to your local Booth's supermarket, people who can afford to be ideological whilst others want to get on with tackling the real issues in society being ignored. I'm a massive Europhile and remainer, but I genuinely don't see an appetite for people changing their mind when I'm out and about. I argue this with my missus all the time (also a remainer), she works at a University where almost everyone she speaks to voted remain and backs a peoples vote. On my travels with work to Doncaster and Middlesbrough and Dagenham and Coventry and other Gordforsaken places throughout the land as I keep telling her people aren't changing their minds, if anything they're digging their heels in and saying "lets just go know" She's in a bubble, it's not the reality of the situation. I think no deal would be a disaster personally and we need to avoid it like the plague, but 100% a peoples vote is not the answer. We need to exit Europe as is the will of the people, end of...... I think there's possibly now an element of shy-Brexiter at play now, particularly in predominently young places like universities. You'd have to be bloody strong-willed or deliberately provocative to go against the flow there. I'm not suggesting that's the only story in town, and there may now be many people who've changed their position from leave to remain, but I suspect the polls may not be telling the complete truth. Either way, the most pressing issue for successive governments from here will probably be to heal the ongoing scars because if it's 'no deal' or 'revoke/second referendum' there's going to be an almighty stench around the UK for a long, long time. May's deal, which no one seems to want looks to me to be the least damaging way out. There are some youngsters who seem to have grasped the issue, rather than just following the crowd ( in many cases)
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2019 14:13:34 GMT
I actually agree, the arrogance of some of the remainers in thinking they know best is laughable. The protest at the weekend was like a trip to your local Booth's supermarket, people who can afford to be ideological whilst others want to get on with tackling the real issues in society being ignored. I'm a massive Europhile and remainer, but I genuinely don't see an appetite for people changing their mind when I'm out and about. I argue this with my missus all the time (also a remainer), she works at a University where almost everyone she speaks to voted remain and backs a peoples vote. On my travels with work to Doncaster and Middlesbrough and Dagenham and Coventry and other Gordforsaken places throughout the land as I keep telling her people aren't changing their minds, if anything they're digging their heels in and saying "lets just go know" She's in a bubble, it's not the reality of the situation. I think no deal would be a disaster personally and we need to avoid it like the plague, but 100% a peoples vote is not the answer. We need to exit Europe as is the will of the people, end of...... I think there's possibly now an element of shy-Brexiter at play now, particularly in predominently young places like universities. You'd have to be bloody strong-willed or deliberately provocative to go against the flow there. I'm not suggesting that's the only story in town, and there may now be many people who've changed their position from leave to remain, but I suspect the polls may not be telling the complete truth. Either way, the most pressing issue for successive governments from here will probably be to heal the ongoing scars because if it's 'no deal' or 'revoke/second referendum' there's going to be an almighty stench around the UK for a long, long time. May's deal, which no one seems to want looks to me to be the least damaging way out. That's quite an interesting point about Brexiteers keeping a low profile rather than 'coming out' in certain institutions/places of work. I think there's quite a lot of this going on. I mean, Remainers/the left in general are a paragon of tolerance and acceptance of other viewpoints, so quite why Leave supporters feel they have to do this is a mystery 😉
|
|
|
Post by yeokel on Mar 25, 2019 14:19:56 GMT
It's hilarious that you fools expect us genuine leave voters to give a flying fuck about 5 million online votes of which as mentioned I'd love to know how many votes would genuinely count at the polls yet all along you've totally shit on, put down, said we were wrong and generally ignored the democratic vote of over 17 million genuine voters. Yet it's us that should be taking note of your irrelevant far to late to give a shit poll. You couldn't make it up. On here there are many who claim that no deal is the preferred option of the majority. In parallel to the revoke article 50 petition there is one calling for no deal. Rather than whine about the 5million signatures why don't those no deal supporters go and sign their petition and shit on the remoaners, or is the current support for no deal really only really a very small minority? 17.4 million of us have already done that. You're probably a bit confused as we called it a referendum, not a petition.
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2019 14:31:04 GMT
Forget Brexit Uri Geller is going to stop it with his mind! 5 million arseholes being clenched will probably have the same effect. Comeback to me when it’s 17.5 million arseholes
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2019 14:33:58 GMT
I think there's possibly now an element of shy-Brexiter at play now, particularly in predominently young places like universities. You'd have to be bloody strong-willed or deliberately provocative to go against the flow there. I'm not suggesting that's the only story in town, and there may now be many people who've changed their position from leave to remain, but I suspect the polls may not be telling the complete truth. Either way, the most pressing issue for successive governments from here will probably be to heal the ongoing scars because if it's 'no deal' or 'revoke/second referendum' there's going to be an almighty stench around the UK for a long, long time. May's deal, which no one seems to want looks to me to be the least damaging way out. That's quite an interesting point about Brexiteers keeping a low profile rather than 'coming out' in certain institutions/places of work. I think there's quite a lot of this going on. I mean, Remainers/the left in general are a paragon of tolerance and acceptance of other viewpoints, so quite why Leave supporters feel they have to do this is a mystery 😉 The left are highly known for respecting other viewpoints But only if they agree with them
|
|
|
Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 25, 2019 15:11:08 GMT
Friday: This is still written into law as the day the UK leaves the EU, but the PM has said she will try to change that this week. If she succeeds, the earliest Brexit will happen is 12 April. [BBC].
Interesting if true. Leadsom has already tabled that there will be no business this Friday. So if no/failed MV3 and IV's keep the children entertained until bed time on Thursday...???
|
|
|
Post by 4372 on Mar 25, 2019 15:48:57 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them)
|
|
|
Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 25, 2019 15:55:57 GMT
It's hilarious that you fools expect us genuine leave voters to give a flying fuck about 5 million online votes of which as mentioned I'd love to know how many votes would genuinely count at the polls yet all along you've totally shit on, put down, said we were wrong and generally ignored the democratic vote of over 17 million genuine voters. Yet it's us that should be taking note of your irrelevant far to late to give a shit poll. You couldn't make it up. On here there are many who claim that no deal is the preferred option of the majority. In parallel to the revoke article 50 petition there is one calling for no deal. Rather than whine about the 5million signatures why don't those no deal supporters go and sign their petition and shit on the remoaners, or is the current support for no deal really only really a very small minority? Maybe we don't see the need for petitions? Let's go the whole hog and have a dance off to decide, eh? 😜
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 16:10:30 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them)
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Mar 25, 2019 16:11:19 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) Is Farage one of them
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 16:40:04 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) Is Farage one of them He's both of them, and he's carry's the wishes of 17.4 million who voted to leave the EU in 2016 and he's not even an MP
|
|
|
Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 25, 2019 16:55:23 GMT
I really don't know what to think of it all, to be perfectly honest. I voted remain and would still do so today but I'm fed up of falling out over it to be honest. I commend those that marched for what they believed in and it showed that there are people who care enough about it to protest in such a way but, if they were virtually all people who voted to Remain anyway, then I don't really know what it proved. I'd be interested to see if any/many were people who had voted Leave but changed their mind based on what's come out over the past three years.
Personally, I still don't see the benefit/point in leaving the EU, given that I'm happy with my lot personally and for the business that I work for. If that's short sighted then so be it but I don't quite understand why anyone would be willing to risk it, unless they really believe that the EU is holding them back so much personally, or the UK as a whole is losing out. Of course there's always the question of "What if?" but what if it's a huge failure? What if we end up on our arse?
The fact seems to me, that the powers that be have had nearly 3 years to draw something up that suits enough people to get it passed. As it is, it's either piss-poor negotiation from May etc failing to get a good deal or MP's being deliberately awkward to make it as difficult as possible to leave. If those at the top don't have the ability or will to manage it, then how on earth anyone can remain confident in leaving is a bit of a mystery to me again I'm afraid. I read often that Leavers essentially for a "No Deal" anyway, they just wanted out of the EU but, to me, that means everything we know today is ripped up and started again from A to Z, from one to one million. Why would you want to plunge the country into such a potentially desperate situation?
This vote has done nothing but a drive a huge wedge between Leave and Remain voters to the point where it borders on dangerous. This isn't something that will ever stopped being referenced. If we leave as planned and something does go tits up, you know that Brexit will be the reason for it and the bad blood continues to trickle. If there's another vote, things again will get nasty.
I think my personal opinion at the moment is that if the government and MP's really wanted to leave and get a deal that didn't ruin us, then it would have been sorted by now. The march wasn't because Remainers wanted to overthrow democracy, it's because it's been three years of piss-poor, embarrassing leadership where lie after lie has been unearthed and MP after MP has fucked off.
I think whatever happens, there will now be dislike bordering on hatred on both sides of the fence and the government could have a potential horror show to deal with.
We were supposed to be going in four days time yet here we are, still arguing about the same bollocks we were three years ago. If it wasn't so serious, it'd be laughable.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 16:59:32 GMT
I really don't know what to think of it all, to be perfectly honest. I voted remain and would still do so today but I'm fed up of falling out over it to be honest. I commend those that marched for what they believed in and it showed that there are people who care enough about it to protest in such a way but, if they were virtually all people who voted to Remain anyway, then I don't really know what it proved. I'd be interested to see if any/many were people who had voted Leave but changed their mind based on what's come out over the past three years. Personally, I still don't see the benefit/point in leaving the EU, given that I'm happy with my lot personally and for the business that I work for. If that's short sighted then so be it but I don't quite understand why anyone would be willing to risk it, unless they really believe that the EU is holding them back so much personally, or the UK as a whole is losing out. Of course there's always the question of "What if?" but what if it's a huge failure? What if we end up on our arse? The fact seems to me, that the powers that be have had nearly 3 years to draw something up that suits enough people to get it passed. As it is, it's either piss-poor negotiation from May etc failing to get a good deal or MP's being deliberately awkward to make it as difficult as possible to leave. If those at the top don't have the ability or will to manage it, then how on earth anyone can remain confident in leaving is a bit of a mystery to me again I'm afraid. I read often that Leavers essentially for a "No Deal" anyway, they just wanted out of the EU but, to me, that means everything we know today is ripped up and started again from A to Z, from one to one million. Why would you want to plunge the country into such a potentially desperate situation? This vote has done nothing but a drive a huge wedge between Leave and Remain voters to the point where it borders on dangerous. This isn't something that will ever stopped being referenced. If we leave as planned and something does go tits up, you know that Brexit will be the reason for it and the bad blood continues to trickle. If there's another vote, things again will get nasty. I think my personal opinion at the moment is that if the government and MP's really wanted to leave and get a deal that didn't ruin us, then it would have been sorted by now. The march wasn't because Remainers wanted to overthrow democracy, it's because it's been three years of piss-poor, embarrassing leadership where lie after lie has been unearthed and MP after MP has fucked off. I think whatever happens, there will now be dislike bordering on hatred on both sides of the fence and the government could have a potential horror show to deal with. We were supposed to be going in four days time yet here we are, still arguing about the same bollocks we were three years ago. If it wasn't so serious, it'd be laughable. They were there because they lost and are not used to not getting their own way end of, some people need to learn to lose gracefully not behave like a bunch of teenage brats chucking their toys about fcuking mard arses.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2019 16:59:39 GMT
May looks very uncomfortable in this exchange to me....it's as though she got caught lying.
|
|
|
Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 25, 2019 16:59:59 GMT
Friday: This is still written into law as the day the UK leaves the EU, but the PM has said she will try to change that this week. If she succeeds, the earliest Brexit will happen is 12 April. [BBC].Interesting if true. Leadsom has already tabled that there will be no business this Friday. So if no/failed MV3 and IV's keep the children entertained until bed time on Thursday...??? Conservative MP Simon Hoare asks when the secondary legislation needed to change the 29 March Brexit date will be put before MPs to vote on.
After checking, Theresa May says the statutory instrument will be put before the House on Wednesday.
Pity.
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2019 17:08:20 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda.
|
|
|
Post by Northy on Mar 25, 2019 17:18:11 GMT
So only 5 days ago French Custons officials were striking because they weren't ready for No Deal. French Customs not ready for No Deal - Guardian
This morning the EU have declared all preparations are finished. What's that you say? How have they solved the hard border in Northern Ireland? Seems tech exists after all. Which we knew was already in use in other parts of the world
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2019 17:25:10 GMT
All this talk of a wedge is bollocks
Most normal rational people accept the views of the other side. Not on the oatcake granted. You have your chat express your view and moved on
The system is trying to make it decisive trying to make leavers see sense, trying to push a remain agenda. Most leavers don’t want aggro and more resolute to see us happy.
Only a minority of the public want a people’s vote
|
|
|
Post by Davef on Mar 25, 2019 17:27:27 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda. She's talking out of her backside though. WTO is not a "deal".
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Mar 25, 2019 17:30:42 GMT
May looks very uncomfortable in this exchange to me....it's as though she got been caught lying. The DUP man said nothing that hasn't been said in this thread on many occasions - the border question in NI is a red herring non-issue. The difference now is it is official. TM should look sheepish. Because she has allowed this nonsense to dominate Brexit discussion. What she should have done is get it kicked it into touch by forcing the EU to come clear about their approach in the case of No Deal. Utterly pathetic.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 17:34:00 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda. She's talking out of her backside though. WTO is not a "deal". It was part of leave though ! we will be leaving the customs union and single market that was made more than clear by call me Dave before the once in a lifetime referendum remember that ? not that it will happen due to the new definition of democracy in the UK
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2019 17:38:59 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) They've probably got work commitments anyway. Not everyone can stand outside Westminster acting like a petulant, entitled twat for days on end.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 25, 2019 17:42:15 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) They've probably got work commitments anyway. Not everyone can stand outside Westminster acting like a petulant, entitled twat for days on end. Quiet a few of them are inside doing exactly the same thing and getting paid for representing us
|
|
|
Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 25, 2019 18:06:41 GMT
The Nigel Farage Show has just started on LBC, if anybody's interested in listening to the great man....Their should be some interesting calls tonight.
|
|
|
Post by Linx on Mar 25, 2019 18:19:04 GMT
5.6 million
|
|
|
Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 25, 2019 18:19:38 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda. She's not intelligent enough to have a hidden agenda
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2019 18:25:47 GMT
Labour's Kate Hoey speaks with passion and belief and you can tell that she does not have a hidden agenda. She's not intelligent enough to have a hidden agenda I don't really know her that well to tell, but she hasn't done too badly for herself. And at least if she is lacking intelligence she does seem to have a bit of gumption, courage and integrity.
|
|
|
Post by Northy on Mar 25, 2019 18:28:13 GMT
All this talk of a wedge is bollocks Most normal rational people accept the views of the other side. Not on the oatcake granted. You have your chat express your view and moved on The system is trying to make it decisive trying to make leavers see sense, trying to push a remain agenda. Most leavers don’t want aggro and more resolute to see us happy. Only a minority of the public want a people’s vote My Mrs voted remain but thinks this push for a 2nd vote is undemocratic and is against it.
|
|
|
Post by Northy on Mar 25, 2019 18:32:02 GMT
Can someone please tell the Brexit marchers that they do not need to be in London on March 29th it seems?. They can go home (both of them) There's a couple of hundred each day on different walking routes each day, it's 13 days and mostly during the working week, more commitment than sitting on a coach for a day out in London on a Saturday.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Mar 25, 2019 18:32:37 GMT
It's frightening how crap the uk media is, I am not expecting them to be pumping out government propaganda but only last week was it the french border guards were on strike over not being prepared for brexit. Today the EU says they have completed no deal preparations all the bbc and sky do is report what the eu says as if its written on tablets of stone, no casting doubt on it they just accept it.
I mean fuck me that is some seriously speedy recruitment and training process, oh no sky now solemnly reporting the EU have just said we have to queue in the non EU line once we left, is that all they have got....
|
|