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Post by pearo on Feb 26, 2019 13:00:37 GMT
I feel that there is an underlying belief in both main political parties that they can somehow manipulate the Brexit vote so that we Remain in all intent and purpose. They also believe that at the next G.E. the majority of them involved in this betrayal of democracy will be returned as there will be no Pro Brexit party to oppose them.
Some of the 16million plus people who voted Remain will be happy with this, as Remain at any cost has been their mantra, others who voted Remain will see the duplicity involved by Parliament, but like most people who voted Leave won’t be able to do anything about it at the ballot box.
Where this will leave people’s faith in politicians and democracy in general is open to debate, but don’t think it will have a happy ending!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:12:24 GMT
May has just said in the House of Conmen that she will consider delaying Brexit with an extension to the end of June. "Theresa May Reveals MPs Will Get Chance To Delay Brexit If Commons Rejects Her Plans" ! link
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 26, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Said it from day one we won’t end up leaving and they’ll find some scrubby loophole as to why.
This country isn’t a fucking democracy at all, they don’t give a shit about anyone further north than their little London bubble, that’s the only reason they’re crying.
If it was the other way round, and remain won the vote, they wouldn’t even acknowledge the protest from the leavers side.
The whole thing is a pile of bollocks and is being used as an excuse for everything.
Factory closures? Brexit, Inflation? Brexit, NHS waiting times? Brexit, Your nan losing her knitting needle? Brexit.
The country’s on its arse whether it stays in Europe or not.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 26, 2019 13:30:42 GMT
Oh, and fair play to John Mann who has stuck to his guns on Brexit. He forewarned Labour about them being out of touch with their constituents before the referendum, and was proved right. He reckons Corbyn has made Labour unelectable with this latest move. Corbyn is too much influenced by Keir fucking Stumer. Sack the little prick !
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2019 13:53:59 GMT
May has just said in the House of Conmen that she will consider delaying Brexit with an extension to the end of June. "Theresa May Reveals MPs Will Get Chance To Delay Brexit If Commons Rejects Her Plans" ! linkTreacherous bitch. 17.4 million people voted for a no deal brexit.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2019 14:03:11 GMT
May has just said in the House of Conmen that she will consider delaying Brexit with an extension to the end of June. "Theresa May Reveals MPs Will Get Chance To Delay Brexit If Commons Rejects Her Plans" ! linkTreacherous bitch. 17.4 million people voted for a no deal brexit. No they didn’t. A sizeable number of Leave voters prefer May’s deal to no deal.
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2019 14:06:17 GMT
Treacherous bitch. 17.4 million people voted for a no deal brexit. No they didn’t. A sizeable number of Leave voters prefer May’s deal to no deal. Yes they did, May's deal wasnt an option on the voting slip
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2019 14:09:00 GMT
No they didn’t. A sizeable number of Leave voters prefer May’s deal to no deal. Yes they did, May's deal wasnt an option on the voting slip Neither was no deal, to state the obvious
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 26, 2019 14:12:53 GMT
May has just said in the House of Conmen that she will consider delaying Brexit with an extension to the end of June. "Theresa May Reveals MPs Will Get Chance To Delay Brexit If Commons Rejects Her Plans" ! linkTreacherous bitch. 17.4 million people voted for a no deal brexit. 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU on terms decided by the democratically-elected government of the day, and agreed on by the democratically-elected parliament of the day. At the time that was a majority Conservative government, but then 32.2 million people voted for it to be a minority Conservative government that would decide the terms of Brexit. The same 32.2 million people also decided who would make up the democratically-elected parliament of the day
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 26, 2019 15:45:52 GMT
I feel that there is an underlying belief in both main political parties that they can somehow manipulate the Brexit vote so that we Remain in all intent and purpose. They also believe that at the next G.E. the majority of them involved in this betrayal of democracy will be returned as there will be no Pro Brexit party to oppose them. Some of the 16million plus people who voted Remain will be happy with this, as Remain at any cost has been their mantra, others who voted Remain will see the duplicity involved by Parliament, but like most people who voted Leave won’t be able to do anything about it at the ballot box. Where this will leave people’s faith in politicians and democracy in general is open to debate, but don’t think it will have a happy ending! Surely this is ready made opportunity for the return in force of UKIP.
After all... this is what they were/are all about isn't it.?
Put your money where your mouth is Brexiteers (in the nicest possible way of course)
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2019 16:12:48 GMT
Yes they did, May's deal wasnt an option on the voting slip Neither was no deal, to state the obvious we will leave, there won't be another negotiation or referendum
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2019 16:18:30 GMT
Neither was no deal, to state the obvious we will leave, there won't be another negotiation or referendum In any other " normal" walk of life this is all the evidence needed to prove that we clearly have been told lies. What a state of affairs.....your own government blatantly lying on such an important question Is part of the issue a simple North/ South divide.....or more exactly, ordinary working people and an out of touch elite.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2019 16:31:01 GMT
Neither was no deal, to state the obvious we will leave, there won't be another negotiation or referendum What does this have to do with anything? He doesn’t even mention a deal or lack thereof, never mind back up your (demonstrably false) assertion that 17 million people voted for no deal.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 26, 2019 16:47:47 GMT
we will leave, there won't be another negotiation or referendum What does this have to do with anything? He doesn’t even mention a deal or lack thereof, never mind back up your (demonstrably false) assertion that 17 million people voted for no deal. He never expected that we would vote to leave hence the shambles he left behind, Leave means Leave does it really it certainly caused him to leave the coward.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 26, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
Brexit was NOT about a deal, how many bastard times does this need to be said?!
David Cameron does not mention a deal because BREXIT WAS NOT ABOUT A DEAL, it was about do we want to leave or remain, we said leave. Ever since this moment they've tried everything they can to make sure we don't leave.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 26, 2019 17:01:46 GMT
What does this have to do with anything? He doesn’t even mention a deal or lack thereof, never mind back up your (demonstrably false) assertion that 17 million people voted for no deal. He never expected that we would vote to leave hence the shambles he left behind, Leave means Leave does it really it certainly caused him to leave the coward. Cameron was quite right to leave after the referendum. He campaigned to remain and was absolutely the wrong person to take Britain into negotiations. The problem was the Tories appointed another remainer in his place. I guess you could lay the blame, at least in part for that, on Michael Grove, for fucking up Big Bad Boris. That was the moment the Remainers got into poll position. And that is why we are where we are now; a half arsed pm with a half baked approach looking for a half way house that doesn't exist. (Which sadly also sums where the opposition are)
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Post by Northy on Feb 26, 2019 17:02:23 GMT
we will leave, there won't be another negotiation or referendum What does this have to do with anything? He doesn’t even mention a deal or lack thereof, never mind back up your (demonstrably false) assertion that 17 million people voted for no deal. Exactly, he doesn't mention a deal, he says "there will be NO renegotiation, leave means leave " I won't list the full 45 minute speech.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2019 17:13:14 GMT
What does this have to do with anything? He doesn’t even mention a deal or lack thereof, never mind back up your (demonstrably false) assertion that 17 million people voted for no deal. Exactly, he doesn't mention a deal, he says "there will be NO renegotiation, leave means leave " I won't list the full 45 minute speech. I don't think you're grasping the issue here. The hypothetical "renegotiation" he talks about is what some people thought might happen in the event of a Leave vote, i.e. "we'll vote to leave but then we can renegotiate our membership with (or have another referendum on) the EU". I'm not making any argument that people haven't been sold down the river in that regard. My issue is with you saying that people "voted for no deal", which they didn't do any more than they voted for May's deal or any other deal. People voted to Leave. May's deal is leaving. No deal is leaving. There are a hundred other ways we could leave where we are weakened partners, subordinate to the EU in every way but don't have any membership status or MEPs - it's still leaving. That's what people voted for.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2019 17:19:54 GMT
Exactly, he doesn't mention a deal, he says "there will be NO renegotiation, leave means leave " I won't list the full 45 minute speech. I don't think you're grasping the issue here. The hypothetical "renegotiation" he talks about is what some people thought might happen in the event of a Leave vote, i.e. "we'll vote to leave but then we can renegotiate our membership with (or have another referendum on) the EU". I'm not making any argument that people haven't been sold down the river in that regard. My issue is with you saying that people "voted for no deal", which they didn't do any more than they voted for May's deal or any other deal. People voted to Leave. May's deal is leaving. No deal is leaving. There are a hundred other ways we could leave where we are weakened partners, subordinate to the EU in every way but don't have any membership status or MEPs - it's still leaving. That's what people voted for. So any future referendum should only include types of Brexit, then?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2019 17:27:34 GMT
I don't think you're grasping the issue here. The hypothetical "renegotiation" he talks about is what some people thought might happen in the event of a Leave vote, i.e. "we'll vote to leave but then we can renegotiate our membership with (or have another referendum on) the EU". I'm not making any argument that people haven't been sold down the river in that regard. My issue is with you saying that people "voted for no deal", which they didn't do any more than they voted for May's deal or any other deal. People voted to Leave. May's deal is leaving. No deal is leaving. There are a hundred other ways we could leave where we are weakened partners, subordinate to the EU in every way but don't have any membership status or MEPs - it's still leaving. That's what people voted for. So any future referendum should only include types of Brexit, then? Bingo
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2019 17:43:35 GMT
Treacherous bitch. 17.4 million people voted for a no deal brexit. 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU on terms decided by the democratically-elected government of the day, and agreed on by the democratically-elected parliament of the day. At the time that was a majority Conservative government, but then 32.2 million people voted for it to be a minority Conservative government that would decide the terms of Brexit. The same 32.2 million people also decided who would make up the democratically-elected parliament of the day The majority turned into a minority , and suddenly Brexit became much harder. There was absolutely no need for that election, other than to fuck Brexit up. 20 point deficits just don't close like that. Ever wonder why the TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election campaign? Where was the outcry about anti-Semitism then(and it was going on).His "friends" were conveniently forgotten as well. What about the worst Tory election campaign ever? You would think that they were trying to lose! But, no, Corbyn was convenient enough to make it close, but never a realistic choice for PM. Look how the media has savaged him once his purpose was served. It's been a fit up from day one, and everything that's gone on in the Commons since the referendum; party splits, government in contempt of parliament and huge government defeats(virtually unprecedented)confirms it for me. Even the fucking Speaker is a known Remainer! All capped off by Sky, Channel 4, BBC etc being ridiculously biased towards Remain. Mackey was right earlier, there is no democracy in this country. There is nobody representing the working class, either, although they try to pretend otherwise. If Brexit has done nothing else, it's shown most politicians for the utter hypocritical frauds that they are.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 26, 2019 18:21:47 GMT
17.4 million people voted to leave the EU on terms decided by the democratically-elected government of the day, and agreed on by the democratically-elected parliament of the day. At the time that was a majority Conservative government, but then 32.2 million people voted for it to be a minority Conservative government that would decide the terms of Brexit. The same 32.2 million people also decided who would make up the democratically-elected parliament of the day The majority turned into a minority , and suddenly Brexit became much harder. There was absolutely no need for that election, other than to fuck Brexit up. 20 point deficits just don't close like that. Ever wonder why the TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election campaign? Where was the outcry about anti-Semitism then(and it was going on).His "friends" were conveniently forgotten as well. What about the worst Tory election campaign ever? You would think that they were trying to lose! But, no, Corbyn was convenient enough to make it close, but never a realistic choice for PM. Look how the media has savaged him once his purpose was served. It's been a fit up from day one, and everything that's gone on in the Commons since the referendum; party splits, government in contempt of parliament and huge government defeats(virtually unprecedented)confirms it for me. Even the fucking Speaker is a known Remainer! All capped off by Sky, Channel 4, BBC etc being ridiculously biased towards Remain. Mackey was right earlier, there is no democracy in this country. There is nobody representing the working class, either, although they try to pretend otherwise. If Brexit has done nothing else, it's shown most politicians for the utter hypocritical frauds that they are. I agree, the whole thing stinks of a contrived stitch up. It's a bit like the management of Stoke has been where after a while you start thinking "surely no one is this incompetent" and then come to the conclusion that conscious decisions haven made to end up where we are. I hope every last one of these politicians and grey civil servants truly get what's coming to them. I think it will be a game changer for the right to protest that's for sure and I wonder how those in power will react... will they go full Venezuela and China on the people?
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 26, 2019 18:53:22 GMT
17.4 million people voted to leave the EU on terms decided by the democratically-elected government of the day, and agreed on by the democratically-elected parliament of the day. At the time that was a majority Conservative government, but then 32.2 million people voted for it to be a minority Conservative government that would decide the terms of Brexit. The same 32.2 million people also decided who would make up the democratically-elected parliament of the day The majority turned into a minority , and suddenly Brexit became much harder. There was absolutely no need for that election, other than to fuck Brexit up. 20 point deficits just don't close like that. Ever wonder why the TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election campaign? Where was the outcry about anti-Semitism then(and it was going on).His "friends" were conveniently forgotten as well. What about the worst Tory election campaign ever? You would think that they were trying to lose! But, no, Corbyn was convenient enough to make it close, but never a realistic choice for PM. Look how the media has savaged him once his purpose was served. It's been a fit up from day one, and everything that's gone on in the Commons since the referendum; party splits, government in contempt of parliament and huge government defeats(virtually unprecedented)confirms it for me. Even the fucking Speaker is a known Remainer! All capped off by Sky, Channel 4, BBC etc being ridiculously biased towards Remain. Mackey was right earlier, there is no democracy in this country. There is nobody representing the working class, either, although they try to pretend otherwise. If Brexit has done nothing else, it's shown most politicians for the utter hypocritical frauds that they are. The TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election because the rules for broadcasters are very strict during elections, dicky. They always have been. No conspiracy there.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2019 18:55:07 GMT
The majority turned into a minority , and suddenly Brexit became much harder. There was absolutely no need for that election, other than to fuck Brexit up. 20 point deficits just don't close like that. Ever wonder why the TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election campaign? Where was the outcry about anti-Semitism then(and it was going on).His "friends" were conveniently forgotten as well. What about the worst Tory election campaign ever? You would think that they were trying to lose! But, no, Corbyn was convenient enough to make it close, but never a realistic choice for PM. Look how the media has savaged him once his purpose was served. It's been a fit up from day one, and everything that's gone on in the Commons since the referendum; party splits, government in contempt of parliament and huge government defeats(virtually unprecedented)confirms it for me. Even the fucking Speaker is a known Remainer! All capped off by Sky, Channel 4, BBC etc being ridiculously biased towards Remain. Mackey was right earlier, there is no democracy in this country. There is nobody representing the working class, either, although they try to pretend otherwise. If Brexit has done nothing else, it's shown most politicians for the utter hypocritical frauds that they are. The TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election because the rules for broadcasters are very strict during elections, dicky. They always have been. No conspiracy there. Duped.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2019 18:59:50 GMT
The majority turned into a minority , and suddenly Brexit became much harder. There was absolutely no need for that election, other than to fuck Brexit up. 20 point deficits just don't close like that. Ever wonder why the TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election campaign? Where was the outcry about anti-Semitism then(and it was going on).His "friends" were conveniently forgotten as well. What about the worst Tory election campaign ever? You would think that they were trying to lose! But, no, Corbyn was convenient enough to make it close, but never a realistic choice for PM. Look how the media has savaged him once his purpose was served. It's been a fit up from day one, and everything that's gone on in the Commons since the referendum; party splits, government in contempt of parliament and huge government defeats(virtually unprecedented)confirms it for me. Even the fucking Speaker is a known Remainer! All capped off by Sky, Channel 4, BBC etc being ridiculously biased towards Remain. Mackey was right earlier, there is no democracy in this country. There is nobody representing the working class, either, although they try to pretend otherwise. If Brexit has done nothing else, it's shown most politicians for the utter hypocritical frauds that they are. The TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election because the rules for broadcasters are very strict during elections, dicky. They always have been. No conspiracy there. Didn't need bashing, just fair questioning. Didn't do it. Gentle as fuck. Conspiracy.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 26, 2019 19:18:52 GMT
The TV laid off Corbyn bashing during the election because the rules for broadcasters are very strict during elections, dicky. They always have been. No conspiracy there. Didn't need bashing, just fair questioning. Didn't do it. Gentle as fuck. Conspiracy. They questioned them all to basically the same standards because that's what they have to do by law mate.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2019 19:35:44 GMT
Didn't need bashing, just fair questioning. Didn't do it. Gentle as fuck. Conspiracy. They questioned them all to basically the same standards because that's what they have to do by law mate. Not at all. They gave him an easier ride than Dennis Hopper.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 26, 2019 19:43:56 GMT
They questioned them all to basically the same standards because that's what they have to do by law mate. Not at all. They gave him an easier ride than Dennis Hopper. Can you point to any examples of him getting lighter questioning than people from other parties? I'm not disagreeing that the system is corrupt btw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 19:53:46 GMT
No deal is better than a bad deal, said repeatedly the same person continually pleading for acceptance of a bad deal which is the worst of both worlds.
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 26, 2019 20:10:26 GMT
No deal is better than a bad deal, said repeatedly the same person continually pleading for acceptance of a bad deal which is the worst of both worlds. They will try anything to get their BRINO. It will be clear that when all of this is sorted that Democracy will have died during this process
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