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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 29, 2020 21:11:26 GMT
Half-and-Half scarf wankers.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2020 21:22:03 GMT
Let’s hope they take that feeling of solidarity with the UK into mutually beneficial trade negotiations. I won’t hold my breath.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2020 21:33:21 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they. Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them. You are right. Leaving this god forsaken “union”
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 29, 2020 21:34:38 GMT
Dave I think that you are right that the Irish question has proved a difficulty for Brexit. I also think that Clayton is right that it should not be weaponised in order to keep the UK on the EU. I think both Barnier and Verhofstadt have previously said that NI would be used to keep the UK in the EU or it will be the price that the UK will have to pay for leaving. For me the issue is not a problem of EU/UK relations it is the perennial problem of UK/NI....If there was a simple border between Northern Ireland and any adjoining country the solution would be easy.....to be dealt with in the same way as any outside land border of a country/the EU...The Irish problem has always been a problem historically and despite the Northern Ireland Agreement it has not been solved to everyone's satisfaction....as we know Stormont is an unusual set up, operates very fractionally and in reality involves input from another country...Ireland. For me the argument cannot be " Northern Ireland is a problem therefore the UK cannot leave the EU " It won't be perfect and will be difficult in the short term but pragmatically " it " will work. Serious question...I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.....If you believed that the UK should not be part of the EU ( or if the referendum result was 90% leave)...what would your solution be to the NI border issue? BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both? I can agree with much of that Red....but we are in a period of flux and readjustment on many different levels..political and economic. Much could change in the European countries and the EU has many challenges itself...as does the UK. Irrespective of Brexit clearly there is and has been more momentum and pressure for independence for many recent years. As regards Northern Ireland ...the troubles of the 70s/80s weren't too far back historically so the pressure for independence is still relatively live. If they gain independence by democratic means so be it.....but many parts of the world and the rest of Europe and the EU might also be changing and pre-empt other changes. For me it isn't logically or " right" to say " the UK cannot decide to leave the EU, it's compulsory to stay " .....we either have that right or do not. Presumably Ireland could have chosen to leave and we would have had similar problems. 11.00pm on Friday is very significant but is only the star. Can Scotland actually choose to leave the UK...or are the implications and consequencies too difficult.....hard border, trade deal, currency, dividing resources, Scotexit compensation/ leaving bill (£), trade agreements, Hard exit, soft exit? Sorry for the ramble but perhaps I've explained some of what I mean.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 21:35:15 GMT
Dave I think that you are right that the Irish question has proved a difficulty for Brexit. I also think that Clayton is right that it should not be weaponised in order to keep the UK on the EU. I think both Barnier and Verhofstadt have previously said that NI would be used to keep the UK in the EU or it will be the price that the UK will have to pay for leaving. For me the issue is not a problem of EU/UK relations it is the perennial problem of UK/NI....If there was a simple border between Northern Ireland and any adjoining country the solution would be easy.....to be dealt with in the same way as any outside land border of a country/the EU...The Irish problem has always been a problem historically and despite the Northern Ireland Agreement it has not been solved to everyone's satisfaction....as we know Stormont is an unusual set up, operates very fractionally and in reality involves input from another country...Ireland. For me the argument cannot be " Northern Ireland is a problem therefore the UK cannot leave the EU " It won't be perfect and will be difficult in the short term but pragmatically " it " will work. Serious question...I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.....If you believed that the UK should not be part of the EU ( or if the referendum result was 90% leave)...what would your solution be to the NI border issue? BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both? Preferably just Scotland with a large divorce bill in our favour, a hard border trade tariffs etc etc.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they. Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them. Funnily enough the UK independence Party celebrating UK independence is what it was it was all about for them I take my hat off to you Mo for the stupidest post I have ever read on here take a bow , we have a big independence celebration party planned for Friday, fish and chips with snowflake ice cream to follow washed down with Marston's Pedigree what you doing to mark the big day ?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 29, 2020 21:49:29 GMT
BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both? I can agree with much of that Red....but we are in a period of flux and readjustment on many different levels..political and economic. Much could change in the European countries and the EU has many challenges itself...as does the UK. Irrespective of Brexit clearly there is and has been more momentum and pressure for independence for many recent years. As regards Northern Ireland ...the troubles of the 70s/80s weren't too far back historically so the pressure for independence is still relatively live. If they gain independence by democratic means so be it.....but many parts of the world and the rest of Europe and the EU might also be changing and pre-empt other changes. For me it isn't logically or " right" to say " the UK cannot decide to leave the EU, it's compulsory to stay " .....we either have that right or do not. Presumably Ireland could have chosen to leave and we would have had similar problems. 11.00pm on Friday is very significant but is only the star. Can Scotland actually choose to leave the UK...or are the implications and consequencies too difficult.....hard border, trade deal, currency, dividing resources, Scotexit compensation/ leaving bill (£), trade agreements, Hard exit, soft exit? Sorry for the ramble but perhaps I've explained some of what I mean. I think thats pretty balanced to be fair BJR. I will be interested to see if there is a changing of attitude across Europe towards the EU but I think the real tell on this will be further down the track when they have seen what the affect and impact it has on us. The different between the UK and Ireland choosing to leave comes down to size. The EU is hugely beneficial to smaller nations as they are trading and negotiating as the bloc and so putting themselves in a stronger position hence why I dont think and cant really see any appetite for Ireland to want to leave.* (*I would argue the same applies to us but let's not go there now) Scotland will be in a more difficult position because of the make up of the current UK government. Now I personally do not want them to leave but they are represented massively by the SNP who stood again in their message of Indy Ref 2 - now as we have spent the best part of 4 years arguing on the back of will of the people and being democratically elected I'm not sure how long our UK conservative government 'should' tell them to stay in their box. Another huge watch this space. They would of course face all the same challenges as we are facing and what NI would face without the recent history of troubles and also the GFE so I would lazily suggest it will be slightly 'easier' but again in no way simple. It is going to be a very long road regardless, for Brexit supporters it is time to enjoy the moment for us sceptics it is now about looking at how to make the very best of what I feel will be a bad situation but what could and I hope turns out to be a good thing.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 29, 2020 21:51:56 GMT
BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both? Preferably just Scotland with a large divorce bill in our favour, a hard border trade tariffs etc etc. Jeeeeesh! I won't judge or even comment on your views but I would love to know why?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 21:56:32 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they. Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them. Funnily enough the UK independence Party celebrating UK independence is what it was it was all about for them I take my hat off to you Mo for the stupidest post I have ever read on here take a bow , we have a big independence celebration party planned for Friday, fish and chips with snowflake ice cream to follow washed down with Marston's Pedigree what you doing to mark the big day ? Daft Little Englander bastards. 'Take that you blasted frogs and krauts'! Embarrassing.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 29, 2020 21:57:16 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they. Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them. British politicians waving British flags rather than Palestinian ones? The bloody nerve of it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 22:01:55 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they. Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them. British politicians waving British flags rather than Palestinian ones? The bloody nerve of it. Yeah you can only imagine they all in slavering agreement with Trump's 'Final solution' for the Palestinians!
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Post by thevoid on Jan 29, 2020 22:02:32 GMT
Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. What's on the menu? Gammon and W hine? Someone else ordered all the bitter though.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 29, 2020 22:04:23 GMT
BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both? Preferably just Scotland with a large divorce bill in our favour, a hard border trade tariffs etc etc. Because no sensible nation would make trade more difficult with its biggest trading partner.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:09:24 GMT
Funnily enough the UK independence Party celebrating UK independence is what it was it was all about for them I take my hat off to you Mo for the stupidest post I have ever read on here take a bow , we have a big independence celebration party planned for Friday, fish and chips with snowflake ice cream to follow washed down with Marston's Pedigree what you doing to mark the big day ? Daft Little Englander bastards. 'Take that you blasted frogs and krauts'! Embarrassing. Do you consider yourself English, British, European or something else Mo ? lighten up and celebrate our heritage now you have lost just embrace the change Huddy was predicting , where is your comrade these days has he thrown in the towel or waving it out of his flats window
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:10:30 GMT
Preferably just Scotland with a large divorce bill in our favour, a hard border trade tariffs etc etc. Because no sensible nation would make trade more difficult with its biggest trading partner. Is the EU a nation ??????????????????
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 29, 2020 22:12:08 GMT
Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. Countdown to Bindependence Day !! the day we finally bin the EU dictatorship a new start a brighter future controlled by ourselves, three years and seven months the bastards tried to derail democracy they fcuking finally failed and still they carry on bitching it's as fcuking funny as fcuk Hope you've all got your tea-towels, mugs..,
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 22:20:14 GMT
Cor Blimey! Don't it make you proud!
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:27:27 GMT
Countdown to Bindependence Day !! the day we finally bin the EU dictatorship a new start a brighter future controlled by ourselves, three years and seven months the bastards tried to derail democracy they fcuking finally failed and still they carry on bitching it's as fcuking funny as fcuk Hope you've all got your tea-towels, mugs.., Pretty sure we will have commemorative mugs etc. available for independence day what will you losers be celebrating with an EU flag ? remember to remove one star from it wave it with pride duck.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2020 22:30:32 GMT
Cor Blimey! Don't it make you proud! Yep A lifetimes work finally achieved Well done Nige
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2020 22:31:53 GMT
Countdown to Bindependence Day !! the day we finally bin the EU dictatorship a new start a brighter future controlled by ourselves, three years and seven months the bastards tried to derail democracy they fcuking finally failed and still they carry on bitching it's as fcuking funny as fcuk Hope you've all got your tea-towels, mugs.., £@#&!n Big-Ben & 50p! You’d have thought they’d have given us the Friday off to commemorate/commiserate. Tight B@$¥@&ds!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2020 22:32:00 GMT
Here’s Finnish MEP Laura Huhtasaari destroying the EU in savage rant...
I love you Laura!! ❤️❤️❤️🥰😘😄
I would 😉
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:35:01 GMT
Cor Blimey! Don't it make you proud! Even bath thinks you are a c*nt now that is some achievement Mo.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:38:30 GMT
Here’s Finnish MEP Laura Huhtasaari destroying the EU in savage rant... I love you Laura!!! ❤️❤️❤️🥰😘😄 I would 😉 In your dreams matey, she does know her onions though, the house of cards is about to collapse thanks to Sir Nigel and the decent people of our nation.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 29, 2020 22:40:56 GMT
Farage has no class, what does this achieve other than causing everyone to hate us even more. If i was a part of the European Union i would want to fuck us over just to wipe the smile of that smug twats face.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 22:45:51 GMT
Farage has no class, what does this achieve other than causing everyone to hate us even more. If i was a part of the European Union i would want to fuck us over just to wipe the smile of that smug twats face. They have finished fucking us over that's the point
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 29, 2020 22:53:40 GMT
Farage has no class, what does this achieve other than causing everyone to hate us even more. If i was a part of the European Union i would want to fuck us over just to wipe the smile of that smug twats face. They have finished fucking us over that's the point What a load of bollocks. I am sure Farage feels fucked over when he checks his bank balance.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 29, 2020 23:19:33 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 30, 2020 8:39:39 GMT
Here’s Finnish MEP Laura Huhtasaari destroying the EU in savage rant... I love you Laura!! ❤️❤️❤️🥰😘😄 I would 😉 That is a pretty significant speech Clayton....she has summed up the EU's plan and aims succinctly and directly in their" parliament"( extravagantly paid, nodding donkey, bureaucrats .... never challenging, questioning...it's not and was never their purpose to do so..... just enthusiastically agree to everything that comes before them towards ever closer union)....those who think that they are on the left ought , in my opinion, think about what she is saying....she clearly gets it...most have simply gone along with the project without questioning its intentions, power and direction of travel....the centralisation of unaccountable power.
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 30, 2020 8:43:03 GMT
Hope you've all got your tea-towels, mugs.., Pretty sure we will have commemorative mugs etc. available for independence day what will you losers be celebrating with an EU flag ? remember to remove one star from it wave it with pride duck. It’s not the “EU flag” — it’s the “European flag” or “Flag of Europe”. It predates the EU, designed in 1955 when it was adopted by the Council of Europe. Later used by EU, European Space Agency & others too. As such, it’s a 65-year-old symbol of broad European collaboration. The UK has been in the Council of Europe since 1949 when it was formed by the Treaty of London. It is a body of 47 countries upholding human rights and rule of law. Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 8:51:52 GMT
Yes our MPs can spend it all on themselves now.And if not with all of those zillions we should all be a lot better off.
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