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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 29, 2020 7:46:19 GMT
So if there's no trade agreement after the transition period, there will be customs checks on goods entering Northern Ireland from GB, ergo Johnson is lying. And if there's no trade deal, the EU have to treat the UK in the same way they treat every other third country under WTO rules. Big word if "followyoudown likes this 😂"
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 29, 2020 7:49:13 GMT
Famous remainers still moaning Fuck off The only people I can see still moaning are people like you. In fact you're moaning in spite of the fact you've "won". Now chill the fuck out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:38:35 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jan 29, 2020 9:04:27 GMT
So if there's no trade agreement after the transition period, there will be customs checks on goods entering Northern Ireland from GB, ergo Johnson is lying. And if there's no trade deal, the EU have to treat the UK in the same way they treat every other third country under WTO rules. If there is no trade deal there would be customs checks and tariffs on all goods between UK and EU, how is the EU going to make british customs check british goods ? But anyway back to the point if the EU wont give a FTA thats a political decision by them but he is not lying. The third country rule is an interesting one considering the exemptions talked about for northern ireland of no checks this would then have to apply to every other country or the EU has to make the republic put customs posts up neither option is good for them so I expect a FTA. They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2020 9:33:17 GMT
Talk about rewarding failure...
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2020 10:58:19 GMT
Bonkers!
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 29, 2020 11:12:07 GMT
If there is no trade deal there would be customs checks and tariffs on all goods between UK and EU, how is the EU going to make british customs check british goods ? But anyway back to the point if the EU wont give a FTA thats a political decision by them but he is not lying. The third country rule is an interesting one considering the exemptions talked about for northern ireland of no checks this would then have to apply to every other country or the EU has to make the republic put customs posts up neither option is good for them so I expect a FTA. They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club. The EU that used to parrott nothing is agreed until everything is agreed until they decided they wanted their money whatever ? The EU can make and bend rules as it suits them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 11:19:06 GMT
Jimmy Savile would have been a remainer. Make of that what you like 😄 Not sure about that.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 29, 2020 11:26:19 GMT
If there is no trade deal there would be customs checks and tariffs on all goods between UK and EU, how is the EU going to make british customs check british goods ? But anyway back to the point if the EU wont give a FTA thats a political decision by them but he is not lying. The third country rule is an interesting one considering the exemptions talked about for northern ireland of no checks this would then have to apply to every other country or the EU has to make the republic put customs posts up neither option is good for them so I expect a FTA. They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club. It's up for discussion still once we've left the EU Brexit and the Northern Ireland borderUnder the terms of the new Withdrawal Agreement, Northern Ireland remains part of the UK customs territory, so Northern Ireland will be included in UK free trade agreements. Northern Ireland will also technically be part of the UK’s VAT area. In practice, however, Northern Ireland will apply many EU customs rules and there will effectively be a customs and regulatory border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea.ButWhat is still to be decided? There remain questions about how exactly goods will move between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. Will paperwork such as customs declarations be required? To what extent will goods have to be checked? How different will the regime be for goods going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland compared with those going in the other direction? The Withdrawal Agreement provided a high-level blueprint without setting out the exact details of how trade across the Irish border and between Great Britain and Northern Ireland will work. The detail will be worked out in discussions between the EU and the UK once the UK has left and the transition period starts.[Source:House of Commons Library] The argument revolves around what level of checks are required ranging from a simple off border customs declaration to full on physical border checks 'on the Irish Sea'. That's the bit that needs agreeing.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 29, 2020 11:26:57 GMT
Like the 'Not my PM' whoppers protesting after the election. He's a liar and a crook. He'll terminally fuck himself up at some stage and I can't fucking wait, the fat fucking cunt. Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 11:32:27 GMT
He's a liar and a crook. He'll terminally fuck himself up at some stage and I can't fucking wait, the fat fucking cunt. Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. I bet the stench of stale urine in that place will be unbearable.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 11:44:54 GMT
He's a liar and a crook. He'll terminally fuck himself up at some stage and I can't fucking wait, the fat fucking cunt. Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. What's on the menu? Gammon and W hine?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 11:49:26 GMT
He's a liar and a crook. He'll terminally fuck himself up at some stage and I can't fucking wait, the fat fucking cunt. Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. Countdown to Bindependence Day !! the day we finally bin the EU dictatorship a new start a brighter future controlled by ourselves, three years and seven months the bastards tried to derail democracy they fcuking finally failed and still they carry on bitching it's as fcuking funny as fcuk
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 29, 2020 12:27:09 GMT
If there is no trade deal there would be customs checks and tariffs on all goods between UK and EU, how is the EU going to make british customs check british goods ? But anyway back to the point if the EU wont give a FTA thats a political decision by them but he is not lying. The third country rule is an interesting one considering the exemptions talked about for northern ireland of no checks this would then have to apply to every other country or the EU has to make the republic put customs posts up neither option is good for them so I expect a FTA. They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club. Dave I think that you are right that the Irish question has proved a difficulty for Brexit. I also think that Clayton is right that it should not be weaponised in order to keep the UK on the EU. I think both Barnier and Verhofstadt have previously said that NI would be used to keep the UK in the EU or it will be the price that the UK will have to pay for leaving. For me the issue is not a problem of EU/UK relations it is the perennial problem of UK/NI....If there was a simple border between Northern Ireland and any adjoining country the solution would be easy.....to be dealt with in the same way as any outside land border of a country/the EU...The Irish problem has always been a problem historically and despite the Northern Ireland Agreement it has not been solved to everyone's satisfaction....as we know Stormont is an unusual set up, operates very fractionally and in reality involves input from another country...Ireland. For me the argument cannot be " Northern Ireland is a problem therefore the UK cannot leave the EU " It won't be perfect and will be difficult in the short term but pragmatically " it " will work. Serious question...I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.....If you believed that the UK should not be part of the EU ( or if the referendum result was 90% leave)...what would your solution be to the NI border issue?
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2020 12:44:46 GMT
Loving the” Remainers can’t wait for the country to fail, so they can say we told you so” trope. Like we’re the ones who would rather cut our noses off to spite our face. Like we we’re the ones who’d had enough of experts & preferred alternative facts & hid behind democracy when all their arguments fell away. Nobody will be happier than me if Brexit is a success, but that’s cause I’m not a masochist...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 15:49:11 GMT
I think I'll go and do something more interesting and rewarding instead like repeatedly stabbing my testicles with my Phil Taylor Gen 6 steel tip darts.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2020 16:03:40 GMT
I think I'll go and do something more interesting and rewarding instead like repeatedly stabbing my testicles with my Phil Taylor Gen 6 steel tip darts. You voted leave you should be happy
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Post by Northy on Jan 29, 2020 16:33:52 GMT
I think I'll go and do something more interesting and rewarding instead like repeatedly stabbing my testicles with my Phil Taylor Gen 6 steel tip darts. do us all a favour and take a few spare sets of darts
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2020 17:08:35 GMT
2 days to go...
Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄
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Post by serpico on Jan 29, 2020 17:15:06 GMT
2 days to go... Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄 Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2020 17:35:27 GMT
2 days to go... Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄 Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. Agreed. Small minded and petty. But no surprise - Farage is, to borrow one of Mo’s favourite words, a cunt.
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Post by serpico on Jan 29, 2020 18:58:18 GMT
Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. Agreed. Small minded and petty. But no surprise - Farage is, to borrow one of Mo’s favourite words, a cunt. I like Farage but I’m not a sycophant, I think he does some things for self publicity, he should have been a bit more conciliatory today, the war has been won, there’s no need to further antagonise them. It’s Successive UK governments who’ve signed us up to the European Union bullshit who are to blame anyway, they didn’t even have to bully us, we willingly gave up powers to the European Union.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2020 19:04:23 GMT
2 days to go... Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄 Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. It’s a bit petty but to be fair for once he’s entitled to be so
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:05:38 GMT
Just come back from crawling up my own arse after watching that.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 29, 2020 19:38:02 GMT
Aye up Mo. Shall I put you down as a maybe for the Newcastle Conservative Club's Brexit Party? Bar's open until midnight. I'm buying. What's on the menu? Gammon and W hine? We're happy if you want to BYO. Maybe have a glass of Rebecca Long-Baileys or Richard Burgundy?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2020 19:39:30 GMT
Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. Agreed. Small minded and petty. But no surprise - Farage is, to borrow one of Mo’s favourite words, a cunt. He is though unlike Momo a successful politician who has achieved his ambition, change is coming you fcuking bet it is, knighthood for Sir Nigel of Brexit
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 29, 2020 19:41:06 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 20:38:21 GMT
Really showing their twats in full technicolor these UKIP MEPs aren't they.
Just in case anyone was in any doubt, they're making it abundantly clear what it was all "about' for the majority of them.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 29, 2020 20:46:55 GMT
2 days to go... Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄 Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. Did you know the European Parliament recently banned national flags from desks? How pathetic is that!!...https://rmx.news/article/article/the-ep-president-bans-national-flags-on-meps-desks... Although the flag banning is a symbolic gesture, it speaks to a general trend in the European Parliament of anti-nationalism. So, the EU absolutely hate flags?... What are those f*cking massive bits of fabric at the front of the room!? 😂... There’s nothing wrong with waving the Union Jack IMO...as we wave goodbye to muppets like Verhofstadt. I agree with your point about various governments that sold us out over the years, and signed us up to the bullshit! I don’t blame the EU for that.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 29, 2020 21:10:57 GMT
They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club. Dave I think that you are right that the Irish question has proved a difficulty for Brexit. I also think that Clayton is right that it should not be weaponised in order to keep the UK on the EU. I think both Barnier and Verhofstadt have previously said that NI would be used to keep the UK in the EU or it will be the price that the UK will have to pay for leaving. For me the issue is not a problem of EU/UK relations it is the perennial problem of UK/NI....If there was a simple border between Northern Ireland and any adjoining country the solution would be easy.....to be dealt with in the same way as any outside land border of a country/the EU...The Irish problem has always been a problem historically and despite the Northern Ireland Agreement it has not been solved to everyone's satisfaction....as we know Stormont is an unusual set up, operates very fractionally and in reality involves input from another country...Ireland. For me the argument cannot be " Northern Ireland is a problem therefore the UK cannot leave the EU " It won't be perfect and will be difficult in the short term but pragmatically " it " will work. Serious question...I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.....If you believed that the UK should not be part of the EU ( or if the referendum result was 90% leave)...what would your solution be to the NI border issue? BJR - There is no solution to the NI border issue and it will be this that ultimately leads to the (regretful and very sad) break up of the union as we know it. From the moment the result came through it was going to be no brexit or no union. No Brexit - NULL AND VOID No Union - We will enter a 'sticking plaster' period of time where we have this border down the Irish sea. Now take NI-GB out of it as there is conflicting information coming from both sides and I'm doing my best not to come to my very natural default position that it will be proved Johnson is lying as per but this solution had already and will continue to anger the Scots who the majority would either want the same access NI have or to continue to push for Indy Ref 2. How long can they be ignored for, I'm not so sure but the paper has very much been lit. EU Border at NI - If the border in the Irish sea was moved to encapsulate the entirety of the UK a somewhat pure Brexit then we're back to the GFE and even the topography of hardening a frictionless border. Worst case scenario would take us back to the dark days, but more likely would be a political movement to the unite the Island of Ireland and thus the UK 'losing' NI as part of the Union. Now to some if the price of Brexit is to lose one of or even both Scotland and NI then it would be worth it. Now the decision has been made and we are leaving as of Friday I think we probably have the most sensible solution in place. Will it last? It could hinge on what happens now Brexit it beginning and with the trade talks but it is certainly now just a question of when and not if the Union is broken and probably the more serious question is will it be NI, Scotland or both?
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