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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 30, 2020 8:52:39 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 8:54:02 GMT
Just come back from crawling up my own arse after watching that..... Did you find Yeokel, Eggy, Foster and Essex
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 8:57:14 GMT
2 days to go... Cracking speech Nigel, shocking that jobsworth cut you off! 🙄 Not seen the speech but I don’t think there’s any need for flag waving like this, we’re leaving but still need to keep good relations with them, they didn’t really bully us into anything, it was our various governments that sold us out and signed us up to all of it. everybody else joining hands and singing Auld lang syne earlier, was that a come on down and join us moment to the SNP, they weren't cut off for some reason.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2020 9:36:01 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 30, 2020 9:37:08 GMT
Just come back from crawling up my own arse after watching that..... Did you find Yeokel, Eggy, Foster and Essex Of course he didn’t don’t be stupid. MomentumEssex hasn’t been seen in weeks
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 30, 2020 10:11:57 GMT
Guy thinks the EU is too flexible.
Ever. Closer. Union.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 30, 2020 10:16:29 GMT
Cor Blimey! Don't it make you proud! Even bath thinks you are a c*nt now that is some achievement Mo. That’s propagandist $#!t even for you crapsy. WTF are you on...
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 30, 2020 10:32:23 GMT
Guy thinks the EU is too flexible. Ever. Closer. Union. Hmm, how long before A50 is revoked?
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Post by yeokel on Jan 30, 2020 10:48:48 GMT
Just come back from crawling up my own arse after watching that..... Did you find Yeokel, Eggy, Foster and Essex Very harsh that! I’ve been here, off and on, but am needing to spend a little more time thinking and working, and a little less time playing at the moment. I don’t appreciate being lumped in with Eggy, Foster and Essex other than as a “missing person” as I couldn’t be more different to them. The full force of my wit and humour will be back when the time is right but, in the meantime, I’ve got to do a bit more of what most of us must do for a while which is work hard, maintain a positive ‘can do’ attitude, and do whatever I can do to help this country regain its place as one of the leading and most inspirational nations on this planet. Land of hope and glory, mother of the free How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee? Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet
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Post by thevoid on Jan 30, 2020 11:12:01 GMT
Did you find Yeokel, Eggy, Foster and Essex Of course he didn’t don’t be stupid. MomentumEssex hasn’t been seen in weeks He's got some overtime proofreading for The Grauniad.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 30, 2020 11:34:02 GMT
Pretty sure we will have commemorative mugs etc. available for independence day what will you losers be celebrating with an EU flag ? remember to remove one star from it wave it with pride duck. It’s not the “EU flag” — it’s the “European flag” or “Flag of Europe”. It predates the EU, designed in 1955 when it was adopted by the Council of Europe. Later used by EU, European Space Agency & others too. As such, it’s a 65-year-old symbol of broad European collaboration. The UK has been in the Council of Europe since 1949 when it was formed by the Treaty of London. It is a body of 47 countries upholding human rights and rule of law. Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration. Oh well never mind
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 30, 2020 11:34:37 GMT
Looking at the Brexit/ recent political struggles it seems to me that some classic techniques of control and manipulation have come in to play.
Obscure the truth, tell lies often enough and people will believe it. Use the instruments of the state to tell the people the message...the media. Manipulate the language...' populism ' is now suspect, to be clamped down upon( the masses are wrong!)...the " left" have bought into that, unbelievable for me. Racism has been devalued as has " being offended" , " free speech"and democracy. Divide and rule....Scotland voted Remain, Young people voted remain , Less intelligent people voted Leave, this constituency voted Remain.....it was a national vote.
Fear....do as you are told or your world will fall apart.
Of course " the other side" will point to examples of equal manipulation.....Cambridge Analytica, Sudes of buses , Boris's lies, Trump's lies...it seems as though the same people on the EEboard take the same side on a range of issues...what is the common denominator?..... perhaps the starting point can only be what you value as the truth.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 30, 2020 11:36:00 GMT
Pretty sure we will have commemorative mugs etc. available for independence day what will you losers be celebrating with an EU flag ? remember to remove one star from it wave it with pride duck. It’s not the “EU flag” — it’s the “European flag” or “Flag of Europe”. It predates the EU, designed in 1955 when it was adopted by the Council of Europe. Later used by EU, European Space Agency & others too. As such, it’s a 65-year-old symbol of broad European collaboration. The UK has been in the Council of Europe since 1949 when it was formed by the Treaty of London. It is a body of 47 countries upholding human rights and rule of law. Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration. It is also the flag adopted by the EU
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 30, 2020 11:42:12 GMT
Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration. I do. And over 17 million of us do (probably a much higher figure now). You'll just have to get over it, son.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 30, 2020 11:48:02 GMT
Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration. I do. And over 17 million of us do (probably a much higher figure now). You'll just have to get over it, son. I have always liked Fridays, I am going to love this Friday Independence Day at last.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 11:49:30 GMT
Did you find Yeokel, Eggy, Foster and Essex Very harsh that! I’ve been here, off and on, but am needing to spend a little more time thinking and working, and a little less time playing at the moment. I don’t appreciate being lumped in with Eggy, Foster and Essex other than as a “missing person” as I couldn’t be more different to them. The full force of my wit and humour will be back when the time is right but, in the meantime, I’ve got to do a bit more of what most of us must do for a while which is work hard, maintain a positive ‘can do’ attitude, and do whatever I can do to help this country regain its place as one of the leading and most inspirational nations on this planet. Land of hope and glory, mother of the free How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee? Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yetapologies if I lumped you in with the other ones
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 30, 2020 11:52:42 GMT
It's time for us leavers to show some compassion for are remain brethan
Get your arse down to your local stationers and buy your remain friends a permanent blue marker
They can colour out one star and then they won't need a new flag
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 11:54:36 GMT
Besides, not everybody sees Friday as a day of celebration. I do. And over 17 million of us do (probably a much higher figure now). You'll just have to get over it, son. List of priorities tomorrow: 1) Derby v Stoke and 3 points to the Potters. 2) Transfer deadline day. 3) Leaving the EU.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 12:04:29 GMT
It's time for us leavers to show some compassion for are remain brethan Get your arse down to your local stationers and buy your remain friends a permanent blue marker They can colour out one star and then they won't need a new flag While youre at it whitewash your windows and build an inner core.
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Post by Davef on Jan 30, 2020 12:16:12 GMT
They will be checking goods entering Northern Ireland in case they eventually go on to enter the Republic of Ireland (the EU). That's the Irish Protocol which Johnson has agreed and signed up to. The EU won't "give" an FTA. It has to be negotiated and agreed and both parties will have their red lines and protect their own interests. The EU can't have won't diverge from their rules and won't give the same benefits to a third country that it's member states currently enjoy, especially one that's leaving their club. Dave I think that you are right that the Irish question has proved a difficulty for Brexit. I also think that Clayton is right that it should not be weaponised in order to keep the UK on the EU. I think both Barnier and Verhofstadt have previously said that NI would be used to keep the UK in the EU or it will be the price that the UK will have to pay for leaving. For me the issue is not a problem of EU/UK relations it is the perennial problem of UK/NI....If there was a simple border between Northern Ireland and any adjoining country the solution would be easy.....to be dealt with in the same way as any outside land border of a country/the EU...The Irish problem has always been a problem historically and despite the Northern Ireland Agreement it has not been solved to everyone's satisfaction....as we know Stormont is an unusual set up, operates very fractionally and in reality involves input from another country...Ireland. For me the argument cannot be " Northern Ireland is a problem therefore the UK cannot leave the EU " It won't be perfect and will be difficult in the short term but pragmatically " it " will work. Serious question...I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.....If you believed that the UK should not be part of the EU ( or if the referendum result was 90% leave)...what would your solution be to the NI border issue? The simple (and probably only) answer to the NI border issue is (was) for the UK to remain in the EEA and re-apply for membership of EFTA. That's not going to happen now.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 30, 2020 12:53:24 GMT
I’m staying in doors tomorrow...too much danger of a plane falling out of the sky, tidal waves, plagues of locusts, volcano eruptions and earthquakes.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 30, 2020 13:04:22 GMT
Looking at the Brexit/ recent political struggles it seems to me that some classic techniques of control and manipulation have come in to play. Obscure the truth, tell lies often enough and people will believe it. Use the instruments of the state to tell the people the message...the media. Manipulate the language...' populism ' is now suspect, to be clamped down upon( the masses are wrong!)...the " left" have bought into that, unbelievable for me. Racism has been devalued as has " being offended" , " free speech"and democracy. Divide and rule....Scotland voted Remain, Young people voted remain , Less intelligent people voted Leave, this constituency voted Remain.....it was a national vote. Fear....do as you are told or your world will fall apart. Of course " the other side" will point to examples of equal manipulation.....Cambridge Analytica, Sudes of buses , Boris's lies, Trump's lies...it seems as though the same people on the EEboard take the same side on a range of issues...what is the common denominator?..... perhaps the starting point can only be what you value as the truth. It’s just the Cavaliers & Roundheads hangover. If you look at history, it never went away, just suppressed.
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 30, 2020 13:51:21 GMT
Looking at the Brexit/ recent political struggles it seems to me that some classic techniques of control and manipulation have come in to play. Obscure the truth, tell lies often enough and people will believe it. Use the instruments of the state to tell the people the message...the media. Manipulate the language...' populism ' is now suspect, to be clamped down upon( the masses are wrong!)...the " left" have bought into that, unbelievable for me. Racism has been devalued as has " being offended" , " free speech"and democracy. Divide and rule....Scotland voted Remain, Young people voted remain , Less intelligent people voted Leave, this constituency voted Remain.....it was a national vote. Fear....do as you are told or your world will fall apart. Of course " the other side" will point to examples of equal manipulation.....Cambridge Analytica, Sudes of buses , Boris's lies, Trump's lies...it seems as though the same people on the EEboard take the same side on a range of issues...what is the common denominator?..... perhaps the starting point can only be what you value as the truth. Yes, to the "control and manipulation" claim. The "side of the bus" issue provides a good example. Take a large enough sum (doesn't matter if it isn't accurate) and suggest that it would be better spent on a struggling national asset - well, who could possibly disagree with that? The message on the bus never said that the money would be used for that purpose, but many people assumed that it did. And these were reasonable people, not the poor unfortunates who think there bananas will be less straight and there fish and chips wrapped in newspaper in two days time. No to the idea of "equal manipulation" because, as you imply, the media has been biased in favour of the leave position, if only because of the blind acceptance of dubious claims, whose veracity (or otherwise) is left to the scrutiny of third party fact-checking sites, who will always be behind the curve. People are not generally in the habit of thinking critically about what they learn, especially if they (think they) agree with it. (A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Paul Simon.) I think this should be a precursor to what one can "value as the truth." What concerns me is the intensity and extreme nature of the propaganda - which is usually reserved for times of war or other national crises.
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Post by Kilo on Jan 30, 2020 13:59:45 GMT
Looking at the Brexit/ recent political struggles it seems to me that some classic techniques of control and manipulation have come in to play. Obscure the truth, tell lies often enough and people will believe it. Use the instruments of the state to tell the people the message...the media. Manipulate the language...' populism ' is now suspect, to be clamped down upon( the masses are wrong!)...the " left" have bought into that, unbelievable for me. Racism has been devalued as has " being offended" , " free speech"and democracy. Divide and rule....Scotland voted Remain, Young people voted remain , Less intelligent people voted Leave, this constituency voted Remain.....it was a national vote. Fear....do as you are told or your world will fall apart. Of course " the other side" will point to examples of equal manipulation.....Cambridge Analytica, Sudes of buses , Boris's lies, Trump's lies...it seems as though the same people on the EEboard take the same side on a range of issues...what is the common denominator?..... perhaps the starting point can only be what you value as the truth. Yes, to the "control and manipulation" claim. The "side of the bus" issue provides a good example. Take a large enough sum (doesn't matter if it isn't accurate) and suggest that it would be better spent on a struggling national asset - well, who could possibly disagree with that? The message on the bus never said that the money would be used for that purpose, but many people assumed that it did. And these were reasonable people, not the poor unfortunates who think there bananas will be less straight and there fish and chips wrapped in newspaper in two days time. No to the idea of "equal manipulation" because, as you imply, the media has been biased in favour of the leave position, if only because of the blind acceptance of dubious claims, whose veracity (or otherwise) is left to the scrutiny of third party fact-checking sites, who will always be behind the curve. People are not generally in the habit of thinking critically about what they learn, especially if they (think they) agree with it. (A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Paul Simon.) I think this should be a precursor to what one can "value as the truth." What concerns me is the intensity and extreme nature of the propaganda - which is usually reserved for times of war or other national crises. Your whole argument is flawed because you've 'assumed' that "many people assumed that it did" - it's remoaners telling the thickie leavers that they believed that all of the money would be going to the NHS when in reality (I believe) the Brexiteers actually read what it said and understood it.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 30, 2020 14:00:07 GMT
I’m staying in doors tomorrow...too much danger of a plane falling out of the sky, tidal waves, plagues of locusts, volcano eruptions and earthquakes. As long as Stoke get a result....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 30, 2020 14:09:00 GMT
Yes our MPs can spend it all on themselves now.And if not with all of those zillions we should all be a lot better off. Yeah, they actually think him him and him Have the slightest interest in redistributing any wealth gains fairly It's kind of cute really
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Post by thevoid on Jan 30, 2020 14:14:55 GMT
Looking at the Brexit/ recent political struggles it seems to me that some classic techniques of control and manipulation have come in to play. Obscure the truth, tell lies often enough and people will believe it. Use the instruments of the state to tell the people the message...the media. Manipulate the language...' populism ' is now suspect, to be clamped down upon( the masses are wrong!)...the " left" have bought into that, unbelievable for me. Racism has been devalued as has " being offended" , " free speech"and democracy. Divide and rule....Scotland voted Remain, Young people voted remain , Less intelligent people voted Leave, this constituency voted Remain.....it was a national vote. Fear....do as you are told or your world will fall apart. Of course " the other side" will point to examples of equal manipulation.....Cambridge Analytica, Sudes of buses , Boris's lies, Trump's lies...it seems as though the same people on the EEboard take the same side on a range of issues...what is the common denominator?..... perhaps the starting point can only be what you value as the truth. Yes, to the "control and manipulation" claim. The "side of the bus" issue provides a good example. Take a large enough sum (doesn't matter if it isn't accurate) and suggest that it would be better spent on a struggling national asset - well, who could possibly disagree with that? The message on the bus never said that the money would be used for that purpose, but many people assumed that it did. And these were reasonable people, not the poor unfortunates who think there bananas will be less straight and there fish and chips wrapped in newspaper in two days time. No to the idea of "equal manipulation" because, as you imply, the media has been biased in favour of the leave position, if only because of the blind acceptance of dubious claims, whose veracity (or otherwise) is left to the scrutiny of third party fact-checking sites, who will always be behind the curve. People are not generally in the habit of thinking critically about what they learn, especially if they (think they) agree with it. (A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Paul Simon.) I think this should be a precursor to what one can "value as the truth." What concerns me is the intensity and extreme nature of the propaganda - which is usually reserved for times of war or other national crises. Funny how Remainers keep on about this bus, I'd have voted the same regardless. I couldn't even tell you what the message on the bus was.
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 30, 2020 14:31:31 GMT
Yes, to the "control and manipulation" claim. The "side of the bus" issue provides a good example. Take a large enough sum (doesn't matter if it isn't accurate) and suggest that it would be better spent on a struggling national asset - well, who could possibly disagree with that? The message on the bus never said that the money would be used for that purpose, but many people assumed that it did. And these were reasonable people, not the poor unfortunates who think there bananas will be less straight and there fish and chips wrapped in newspaper in two days time. No to the idea of "equal manipulation" because, as you imply, the media has been biased in favour of the leave position, if only because of the blind acceptance of dubious claims, whose veracity (or otherwise) is left to the scrutiny of third party fact-checking sites, who will always be behind the curve. People are not generally in the habit of thinking critically about what they learn, especially if they (think they) agree with it. (A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Paul Simon.) I think this should be a precursor to what one can "value as the truth." What concerns me is the intensity and extreme nature of the propaganda - which is usually reserved for times of war or other national crises. Your whole argument is flawed because you've 'assumed' that "many people assumed that it did" - it's remoaners telling the thickie leavers that they believed that all of the money would be going to the NHS when in reality (I believe) the Brexiteers actually read what it said and understood it. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nearly-half-of-britons-believe-vote-leaves-false-350-million-a-week-to-the-eu-claim-a7085016.html
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 30, 2020 14:32:03 GMT
Yes our MPs can spend it all on themselves now.And if not with all of those zillions we should all be a lot better off. Yeah, they actually think him him and him Have the slightest interest in redistributing any wealth gains fairly It's kind of cute really How do we get a credible Labour government then Momo....if that is the answer? Is it destined to sit on the sidelines for 10 years poking fun?
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 30, 2020 14:36:21 GMT
Yes, to the "control and manipulation" claim. The "side of the bus" issue provides a good example. Take a large enough sum (doesn't matter if it isn't accurate) and suggest that it would be better spent on a struggling national asset - well, who could possibly disagree with that? The message on the bus never said that the money would be used for that purpose, but many people assumed that it did. And these were reasonable people, not the poor unfortunates who think there bananas will be less straight and there fish and chips wrapped in newspaper in two days time. No to the idea of "equal manipulation" because, as you imply, the media has been biased in favour of the leave position, if only because of the blind acceptance of dubious claims, whose veracity (or otherwise) is left to the scrutiny of third party fact-checking sites, who will always be behind the curve. People are not generally in the habit of thinking critically about what they learn, especially if they (think they) agree with it. (A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" - Paul Simon.) I think this should be a precursor to what one can "value as the truth." What concerns me is the intensity and extreme nature of the propaganda - which is usually reserved for times of war or other national crises. Funny how Remainers keep on about this bus, I'd have voted the same regardless. I couldn't even tell you what the message on the bus was. The discussion was about manipulation techniques. A well known example was referred to. How do you know you'd have voted the same regardless? The people who came up with the bus message weren't willing to take that chance!
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