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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 22, 2019 3:59:32 GMT
Gareth Snell also said he'd vote for the deal. Have them two changed their mind?
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Post by Boothen on Oct 22, 2019 4:42:51 GMT
Same as the MP for my area, that smarmy cunt Gareth Snell. Nothing but a self-serving fucktard of the highest order.
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Post by felonious on Oct 22, 2019 6:17:18 GMT
I've only just seen it Barth sometimes life gets in the way of the Oatcake. You don't think I stay on here waiting for your gems do you? ... and check your spelling before you reply to me you useless wanker đ¤ŁGirlđ Househusband
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 22, 2019 6:33:58 GMT
Why should any of the happenings over the last couple of years come as any surprise? I know that they have, but as things unfold now - it all should have been perfectly obvious. Remain are very keen to inform me that I didn't understand the question in the first place. I must have become frightened about the level of immigration. Or some "European Army" that might be formed. I have probably changed my mind now having been struck by a lightening bolt from some pro EU God. The fact is that the EU is anti democratic. Having held a referendum, why should we be surprised that Remainers (anti democratic followers) will not honour the result? Why should they? They are themselves anti democratic. Should we hold another referendum, and Remain win - loe and behold they will all be preaching the value of democracy and the fight that took place to retain it over two world wars. At this moment, we are not a democratic nation. Might I suggest that we stop behaving like one? Make of that what you will.
Donât take it personally but Remainers are actually hoping you are dead. A large part of their logic for winning a confirmatory referendum is that since 2016 the voter demographic has shifted in their favour. Meaning, as Leave voters are generally older (albeit not wiser) than Remainers there will be less of them around (because the are now dead) but the number of Remainers will have gone up as a bunch of young (and wise) people (who were 15-17 in 2016) turn 18.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Oct 22, 2019 7:51:00 GMT
Hypocrite speaks...
So itâs official... John Bercow is a bigger cunt than I thought he was. No wonder his wife prefers other men to him.
Do any of them in the Westminster bubble realise the damage they have done to public trust.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 22, 2019 7:52:07 GMT
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Post by 4372 on Oct 22, 2019 8:12:16 GMT
Why should any of the happenings over the last couple of years come as any surprise? I know that they have, but as things unfold now - it all should have been perfectly obvious. Remain are very keen to inform me that I didn't understand the question in the first place. I must have become frightened about the level of immigration. Or some "European Army" that might be formed. I have probably changed my mind now having been struck by a lightening bolt from some pro EU God. The fact is that the EU is anti democratic. Having held a referendum, why should we be surprised that Remainers (anti democratic followers) will not honour the result? Why should they? They are themselves anti democratic. Should we hold another referendum, and Remain win - loe and behold they will all be preaching the value of democracy and the fight that took place to retain it over two world wars. At this moment, we are not a democratic nation. Might I suggest that we stop behaving like one? Make of that what you will.
If you think that immigration was not a topic during the Referendum, either you were asleep then, or you are in denial now. As for the EU, I don't think it is particularly anti-democratic when you compare it to our own institutions. The House of Lords, the Monarchy are two institutions that would benefit from democratic reform, and could have been tackled without reference to the EU. I seem to remember also that Brexshiteers wanted to bring sovereignty back to the UK Parliament, and democracy back to the UK. This Parliament was elected in 2017 by democratic means, and it is currently demonstrating it's ability to act in a sovereign manner. It was able to force The Prime Minister to send a letter which he did not want to send. You can criticise Parliament, but you do risk opening yourself up to a charge of hypocrisy if you say you voted to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, then pull your face when Parliament acts to uphold its sovereignty.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 22, 2019 8:16:32 GMT
Why should any of the happenings over the last couple of years come as any surprise? I know that they have, but as things unfold now - it all should have been perfectly obvious. Remain are very keen to inform me that I didn't understand the question in the first place. I must have become frightened about the level of immigration. Or some "European Army" that might be formed. I have probably changed my mind now having been struck by a lightening bolt from some pro EU God. The fact is that the EU is anti democratic. Having held a referendum, why should we be surprised that Remainers (anti democratic followers) will not honour the result? Why should they? They are themselves anti democratic. Should we hold another referendum, and Remain win - loe and behold they will all be preaching the value of democracy and the fight that took place to retain it over two world wars. At this moment, we are not a democratic nation. Might I suggest that we stop behaving like one? Make of that what you will.
If you think that immigration was not a topic during the Referendum, either you were asleep then, or you are in denial now. As for the EU, I don't think it is particularly anti-democratic when you compare it to our own institutions. The House of Lords, the Monarchy are two institutions that would benefit from democratic reform, and could have been tackled without reference to the EU. I seem to remember also that Brexshiteers wanted to bring sovereignty back to the UK Parliament, and democracy back to the UK. This Parliament was elected in 2017 by democratic means, and it is currently demonstrating it's ability to act in a sovereign manner. It was able to force The Prime Minister to send a letter which he did not want to send. You can criticise Parliament, but you do risk opening yourself up to a charge of hypocrisy if you say you voted to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, then pull your face when Parliament acts to uphold its sovereignty. Agreed Over 80% of MPs were elected on a manifesto to leave the Eu So why havenât we left yet
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 22, 2019 8:17:41 GMT
Why should any of the happenings over the last couple of years come as any surprise? I know that they have, but as things unfold now - it all should have been perfectly obvious. Remain are very keen to inform me that I didn't understand the question in the first place. I must have become frightened about the level of immigration. Or some "European Army" that might be formed. I have probably changed my mind now having been struck by a lightening bolt from some pro EU God. The fact is that the EU is anti democratic. Having held a referendum, why should we be surprised that Remainers (anti democratic followers) will not honour the result? Why should they? They are themselves anti democratic. Should we hold another referendum, and Remain win - loe and behold they will all be preaching the value of democracy and the fight that took place to retain it over two world wars. At this moment, we are not a democratic nation. Might I suggest that we stop behaving like one? Make of that what you will.
If you think that immigration was not a topic during the Referendum, either you were asleep then, or you are in denial now. As for the EU, I don't think it is particularly anti-democratic when you compare it to our own institutions. The House of Lords, the Monarchy are two institutions that would benefit from democratic reform, and could have been tackled without reference to the EU. I seem to remember also that Brexshiteers wanted to bring sovereignty back to the UK Parliament, and democracy back to the UK. This Parliament was elected in 2017 by democratic means, and it is currently demonstrating it's ability to act in a sovereign manner. It was able to force The Prime Minister to send a letter which he did not want to send. You can criticise Parliament, but you do risk opening yourself up to a charge of hypocrisy if you say you voted to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, then pull your face when Parliament acts to uphold its sovereignty. Leavers' chant: What do we want? Parliamentary sovereignty! When do we want it? When it suits us!
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 22, 2019 8:21:58 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 22, 2019 8:43:21 GMT
They haven't though, there was an amendment wasnt there. How many times has Bercow used presedence in Erskine May to favour Brexit? None ! Yet has done it a lot of times for leave. The blokes abused his position and I'm glad he's getting investigated. Johnson pulled the vote on Saturday, not Bercow. Yes, I didn't say it was Bercow, they didn't ask the question the first time did they as in the picture?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 22, 2019 8:46:21 GMT
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Post by auntiegeorge on Oct 22, 2019 8:57:15 GMT
That's an unusual remark coming from Caroline Lucas....
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Oct 22, 2019 8:59:11 GMT
If you think that immigration was not a topic during the Referendum, either you were asleep then, or you are in denial now. As for the EU, I don't think it is particularly anti-democratic when you compare it to our own institutions. The House of Lords, the Monarchy are two institutions that would benefit from democratic reform, and could have been tackled without reference to the EU. I seem to remember also that Brexshiteers wanted to bring sovereignty back to the UK Parliament, and democracy back to the UK. This Parliament was elected in 2017 by democratic means, and it is currently demonstrating it's ability to act in a sovereign manner. It was able to force The Prime Minister to send a letter which he did not want to send. You can criticise Parliament, but you do risk opening yourself up to a charge of hypocrisy if you say you voted to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, then pull your face when Parliament acts to uphold its sovereignty. Agreed Over 80% of MPs were elected on a manifesto to leave the Eu So why havenât we left yet Because leaving is a complex, complicated, abstract thing that means 1000 different things to 1000 different people - it's going to take time and have to be done in a compromised way that pleases nobody entirely but doesn't really, really piss off everybody or fuck up the country.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 22, 2019 9:10:11 GMT
Agreed Over 80% of MPs were elected on a manifesto to leave the Eu So why havenât we left yet Because leaving is a complex, complicated, abstract thing that means 1000 different things to 1000 different people - it's going to take time and have to be done in a compromised way that pleases nobody entirely but doesn't really, really piss off everybody or fuck up the country. It's all about getting "it" done đ "It" hasn't even started.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 22, 2019 9:15:52 GMT
Because leaving is a complex, complicated, abstract thing that means 1000 different things to 1000 different people - it's going to take time and have to be done in a compromised way that pleases nobody entirely but doesn't really, really piss off everybody or fuck up the country. It's all about getting "it" done đ "It" hasn't even started. 'it' will go on for years and years. Which is why I would rather 'it' be done properly. Rushing it through shows just what a shit deal (or no deal for that matter) it is. And as for this absolute cretin (JRM) ...
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Post by starkiller on Oct 22, 2019 9:37:04 GMT
You told us it is virtually the same as May's deal, so you should have read nearly all of it before.
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Post by serpico on Oct 22, 2019 9:43:09 GMT
It's all about getting "it" done đ "It" hasn't even started. 'it' will go on for years and years. Which is why I would rather 'it' be done properly. Rushing it through shows just what a shit deal (or no deal for that matter) it is. And as for this absolute cretin (JRM) ... His reply didnât really make much sense but I think heâs trying to say itâs pointless because economists have biases and also come from different schools of economic thought, one economist could say itâs going to be sunlit uplands another could predict doom and gloom, really the proof will be in the pudding.
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Post by yeokel on Oct 22, 2019 9:44:28 GMT
You told us it is virtually the same as May's deal, so you should have read nearly all of it before. Virtually the same, yes, but you still have to go through it very carefully to see exactly which words have been removed, changed or added. That said, a computer can easily compare two documents and highlight the differences for further consideration.
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Post by serpico on Oct 22, 2019 10:04:07 GMT
Hasnât Caroline Lucas called for the overturning of the referendum result ? Itâs a Bit rich for her to be calling others out for having contempt for the people! Most people want this over and done with so I doubt they care about how little time MPs had to read it and debate it, theyâve been debating brexit for 3 and a half years.
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Post by yeokel on Oct 22, 2019 10:24:36 GMT
Hasnât Caroline Lucas called for the overturning of the referendum result ? Itâs a Bit rich for her to be calling others out for having contempt for the people! Most people want this over and done with so I doubt they care about how little time MPs had to read it and debate it, theyâve been debating brexit for 3 and a half years. Iâm one of those who wants âBrexit Doneâ. But such an important, far reaching and historic act simply HAS to be examined in detail, particularly given the fact that Boris and his like are trying to rush it through without any proper examination. It all should have been done years ago of course. But the fact that it wasnât shouldnât hinder getting it done properly now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2019 10:43:33 GMT
Hasnât Caroline Lucas called for the overturning of the referendum result ? Itâs a Bit rich for her to be calling others out for having contempt for the people! Most people want this over and done with so I doubt they care about how little time MPs had to read it and debate it, theyâve been debating brexit for 3 and a half years. This is something that it going to effect people for many years to come and we have a duty to future generations, to do it correctly. If Johnson had been promising us all along that he would get us out by November the 30th then it wouldn't be an issue but because HE has painted himself into a corner, promising a date that he can't deliver then all due diligence has to apparently now go out of the window. Nikki da Costa was telling us in the summer that this type of legislation would need eight weeks of scrunity, now she's suggesting it can be done in three days. It's madness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:51:01 GMT
It's all about getting "it" done đ "It" hasn't even started. 'it' will go on for years and years. Which is why I would rather 'it' be done properly. Rushing it through shows just what a shit deal (or no deal for that matter) it is. And as for this absolute cretin (JRM) ... That discussion was had running up to the referendum and the people gave their answer What is happening in westminster from all sides is criminal imo
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Post by serpico on Oct 22, 2019 11:07:12 GMT
Hasnât Caroline Lucas called for the overturning of the referendum result ? Itâs a Bit rich for her to be calling others out for having contempt for the people! Most people want this over and done with so I doubt they care about how little time MPs had to read it and debate it, theyâve been debating brexit for 3 and a half years. This is something that it going to effect people for many years to come and we have a duty to future generations, to do it correctly. If Johnson had been promising us all along that he would get us out by November the 30th then it wouldn't be an issue but because HE has painted himself into a corner, promising a date that he can't deliver then all due diligence has to apparently now go out of the window. Nikki da Costa was telling us in the summer that this type of legislation would need eight weeks of scrunity, now she's suggesting it can be done in three days. It's madness. Youâre right, Iâm just saying most people wonât agree with Lucas, most people want it over and done with ASAP because itâs already gone on for too long. For me brexit is pretty much dead anyway, Johnsonâs deal is BRINO and parliament will block no deal, Iâm left with no option but to vote brexit party at the next election.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 22, 2019 11:24:51 GMT
Doesn't the fact that the EU keep granting extensions tell us how weak and desperate they really are?
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 22, 2019 11:29:36 GMT
Doesn't the fact that the EU keep granting extensions tell us how weak and desperate they really are? Erm, No!
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Post by serpico on Oct 22, 2019 11:34:02 GMT
Doesn't the fact that the EU keep granting extensions tell us how weak and desperate they really are? It tells us theyâre desperate to not have a âno dealâ outcome, which is precisely why it was so important to keep it on the table. The remainers were always keen to get no deal off the table because it strengthened our hand in getting a good deal, which is the last thing remainers want, they want us to get as bad a deal as possible.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 22, 2019 11:40:00 GMT
Doesn't the fact that the EU keep granting extensions tell us how weak and desperate they really are? Erm, No! As net contributors, every year for 40 years, second biggest contributors, with a trade deficit, I'll think you find it does. Let's see them stop granting extensions to prove me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:48:46 GMT
They haven't though, there was an amendment wasnt there. How many times has Bercow used presedence in Erskine May to favour Brexit? None ! Yet has done it a lot of times for leave. The blokes abused his position and I'm glad he's getting investigated. Johnson pulled the vote on Saturday, not Bercow. Letâs not let the facts get in the way. Brexit means brexit...
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 22, 2019 11:49:44 GMT
Doesn't the fact that the EU keep granting extensions tell us how weak and desperate they really are? Anyone with a basic foundation in negotiating knows that. Unfortunately, whilst we have so many undermining any negotiating position we had by frustrating and delaying tactics with the aim of stopping Brexit, it just strengthens the EU position further.
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