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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2019 17:03:31 GMT
The Traitor Bercow has rejected the " Meaningful Vote" A bigger remoaner you will not find. Here today, gone tomorrow, he should be nowhere near the decision process, and should be removed immediately from his post. For the last 18 months all that he has done is try to scupper Brexit. Having watched the whole debate and then all the ‘points of order’ and other stuff afterwards on Saturday, I feel I must say, speaking as a ‘leaver’ that this is the govt’s own fault and was only to be expected. Once the amendment had been passed on Saturday, the government could still have proceeded to put the substantive motion (Boris’ deal) to the vote but chose not to. They chose that in spite of many MPs saying that as well as voting for the amendment, they would vote for the substantive motion. Once most MPs had drifted away, JRM raised a ‘point of order’ giving notice that the main motion would be put to the vote on Monday. That is not the correct way to have done it and he, of all people, definitely knows that. The speaker made it plain that this procedure was well out of order and that if they wished the whole thing to be debated again, and voted on they should have requested an emergency debate (or something like that) which would then have been entered as parliamentary business in the usual way. Instead of which, the Gov’t, and JRM in particular, were trying to be a bit too clever by half. Looking at what happened, once the amendment was won it became inevitable that Boris would have to send the letter he was mandated to send. But, he didn’t want to do that having had his original deal approved so they didn’t put it to the vote. Then he sent the letter and was able to claim that the delay wasn’t down to him, but was down to the amendment. And now, even if his deal gets approved, it will still be delayed so he saves face by being able to say to the EU & the UK that he’s done ‘his bit’ by getting this approved as he said he could, but that ‘remainers’ and the EU have conspired to bring forth the delay in any case. But it hasn’t worked because anyone with a few functioning brain cells (sadly, that rules you out Essex) could see through the plan and the clever games that the public school old boys were trying to play. This is not, for once, Bercow’s fault. All he is doing is applying the rules as they have been applied for the past few hundred years, and has told JRM to go and stick his ‘Point of Order’ up his arse, pointed end first and come back and do the job properly according to normal procedure. That’s how I see it, anyway. The only thing that I would add Yeokel is ...I wonder if all the latest shenanigans are designed to make Brexiteers think/ believe that against all odds, finally BREXIT has been delivered....a victory, a feeling of victory....when in fact in the detail it is not true BREXIT ( I must admit I have not had time to look at the latest stuff in the last few days so I may be way off the mark ( again))
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2019 17:20:19 GMT
Whatever your views are on Brexit I can't believe that people are so happy to see the Establishment riding roughshod over the biggest democratic vote this country has ever seen. Not only happy to see it but actually revelling in it. Incredible. I said the same fuck knows how many pages ago. Weird, isn't it? Yet if Trump does something shady, they are all over it. MPs feigning shock at the latest vote against the government gets on my tits, too. I swear they are completely devoid of conscience. Fair play to the ones who have tried to honour the result, but they are in the minority. At least it's separated the wheat from the chaff.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 21, 2019 17:29:33 GMT
There is no way the speaker is being impartial But he is being consistent. Yes absolutely quoting precedent from 1641 to thwart brexit supporting legislation as opposed to the time he made up precedence to thwart brexit supporting legislation, little dwarf cnut.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 21, 2019 17:42:48 GMT
The Traitor Bercow has rejected the " Meaningful Vote" A bigger remoaner you will not find. Here today, gone tomorrow, he should be nowhere near the decision process, and should be removed immediately from his post. For the last 18 months all that he has done is try to scupper Brexit. W That cunt will spend the next 5 years on the after dinner speaker circuit following a book deal and appearance on the Graham norton show preening himself like a peacock
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2019 17:50:16 GMT
Well played Bercow I agree how the fuck can he manage to make boris look like a victim of the establishment Yes well played Bercow turning people into Tory voters by the bucket load
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2019 18:00:14 GMT
The devil is always in the detail. But it’s what is unsaid that often makes the difference. I wonder, as you suggested last week, how much this raised its head last week and if this wasn’t the crucial factor in the DUP withdrawing its support from the Brexit deal. (Oh - you’ve become a fan of Farage suddenly?) Farage, The Creationists. He'll be backing Nathan next! 😁
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Post by yeokel on Oct 21, 2019 18:06:41 GMT
Having watched the whole debate and then all the ‘points of order’ and other stuff afterwards on Saturday, I feel I must say, speaking as a ‘leaver’ that this is the govt’s own fault and was only to be expected. Once the amendment had been passed on Saturday, the government could still have proceeded to put the substantive motion (Boris’ deal) to the vote but chose not to. They chose that in spite of many MPs saying that as well as voting for the amendment, they would vote for the substantive motion. Once most MPs had drifted away, JRM raised a ‘point of order’ giving notice that the main motion would be put to the vote on Monday. That is not the correct way to have done it and he, of all people, definitely knows that. The speaker made it plain that this procedure was well out of order and that if they wished the whole thing to be debated again, and voted on they should have requested an emergency debate (or something like that) which would then have been entered as parliamentary business in the usual way. Instead of which, the Gov’t, and JRM in particular, were trying to be a bit too clever by half. Looking at what happened, once the amendment was won it became inevitable that Boris would have to send the letter he was mandated to send. But, he didn’t want to do that having had his original deal approved so they didn’t put it to the vote. Then he sent the letter and was able to claim that the delay wasn’t down to him, but was down to the amendment. And now, even if his deal gets approved, it will still be delayed so he saves face by being able to say to the EU & the UK that he’s done ‘his bit’ by getting this approved as he said he could, but that ‘remainers’ and the EU have conspired to bring forth the delay in any case. But it hasn’t worked because anyone with a few functioning brain cells (sadly, that rules you out Essex) could see through the plan and the clever games that the public school old boys were trying to play. This is not, for once, Bercow’s fault. All he is doing is applying the rules as they have been applied for the past few hundred years, and has told JRM to go and stick his ‘Point of Order’ up his arse, pointed end first and come back and do the job properly according to normal procedure. That’s how I see it, anyway. The only thing that I would add Yeokel is ...I wonder if all the latest shenanigans are designed to make Brexiteers think/ believe that against all odds, finally BREXIT has been delivered....a victory, a feeling of victory....when in fact in the detail it is not true BREXIT ( I must admit I have not had time to look at the latest stuff in the last few days so I may be way off the mark ( again)) I think you are on the right track. I suspect there is a lot of devilment to be found in the detail and that when all the dust settles, this could turn out to be even worse than May’s deal. It was very interesting to hear during the debate of words which had been slightly changed from May’s original agreement, or removed completely in some cases. The words did not alter the ‘Brexitness’ of the deal, but did push its direction of travel much to the right if seen in the right (or wrong) light. I became more suspicious of it as the day went on, and when JRM attempted his ‘point of order’ trick, it added greatly to my suspicions.
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Post by Absolution on Oct 21, 2019 18:20:02 GMT
I'm not always the brightest spark, but so far I've managed to follow this barrell-o-shite and understood everything that's gone on. Until now. I've not really got a clue what's happening now.
I mean I know the referendum in 2016 is now completely and utterly irrelevant and thanks to Theresa we can't get owt done, but this Letwin amendment and todays events have left me totally bewildered.
It's like turning up late for a basketball match where there's no scoreboard.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 18:22:17 GMT
It's pretty clear that the hard-line Brexiteers are getting shafted and sold down the river.
Either that or there is a cunning plan afoot.
In which case the Brexit moderates will be shafted.
Clusterfuck Tory Central.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2019 18:27:59 GMT
It's pretty clear that the hard-line Brexiteers are getting shafted and sold down the river. Either that or there is a cunning plan afoot. In which case the Brexit moderates will be shafted. Clusterfuck Tory Central. I wouldn’t worry about us leavers It’s the ardent remainers you want to be truly worried about They are shortly going to feel far more shafted And I hope it hurts there anti democratic arseholes
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 21, 2019 19:29:35 GMT
So we’re edging towards the 2k mark. What did the old “Lets get the record for the longest thread” thread get to...
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 19:42:33 GMT
It's pretty clear that the hard-line Brexiteers are getting shafted and sold down the river. Either that or there is a cunning plan afoot. In which case the Brexit moderates will be shafted. Clusterfuck Tory Central. I wouldn’t worry about us leavers It’s the ardent remainers you want to be truly worried about They are shortly going to feel far more shafted And I hope it hurts there anti democratic arseholes That's not very nice waga.. I've just joined the REU Party. (Rejoin EU) Problem is we cant do owt until 2028 when we finally leave.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 21, 2019 19:47:17 GMT
So we’re edging towards the 2k mark. What did the old “Lets get the record for the longest thread” thread get to... Only just over half way Bath surely, another year to go? What a terrible social faux pas I’ve made... For a changeXx
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2019 19:57:42 GMT
I wouldn’t worry about us leavers It’s the ardent remainers you want to be truly worried about They are shortly going to feel far more shafted And I hope it hurts there anti democratic arseholes That's not very nice waga.. I've just joined the REU Party. (Rejoin EU) Problem is we cant do owt until 2028 when we finally leave. Hope you haven’t paid your subs yet By 2028 there won’t be a Eu for you to rejoin it won’t be long after we leave the German tax payer will suddenly realise there going to have to pay for the shit heap
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 20:00:45 GMT
That's not very nice waga.. I've just joined the REU Party. (Rejoin EU) Problem is we cant do owt until 2028 when we finally leave. Hope you haven’t paid your subs yet By 2028 there won’t be a Eu for you to rejoin it won’t be long after we leave the German tax payer will suddenly realise there going to have to pay for the shit heap Haha. How much tax do you reckon you pay per year towards the UK contribution?
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2019 20:08:26 GMT
Hope you haven’t paid your subs yet By 2028 there won’t be a Eu for you to rejoin it won’t be long after we leave the German tax payer will suddenly realise there going to have to pay for the shit heap Haha. How much tax do you reckon you pay per year towards the UK contribution? Like the rest of the country to much A penny is to much Note a penny not a cent
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 20:10:52 GMT
Haha. How much tax do you reckon you pay per year towards the UK contribution? Like the rest of the country to much A penny is to much Note a penny not a cent How do you know?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 21, 2019 20:16:26 GMT
That's not very nice waga.. I've just joined the REU Party. (Rejoin EU) Problem is we cant do owt until 2028 when we finally leave. Hope you haven’t paid your subs yet By 2028 there won’t be a Eu for you to rejoin it won’t be long after we leave the German tax payer will suddenly realise there going to have to pay for the shit heap Germany is the main funder of the EU. It is also a major beneficiary being the main growth economy in Europe and enjoys a massive positive trade balance, well over £20billion pa of which is with the UK. Unlike the UK which loses out on both counts.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 20:25:30 GMT
Hope you haven’t paid your subs yet By 2028 there won’t be a Eu for you to rejoin it won’t be long after we leave the German tax payer will suddenly realise there going to have to pay for the shit heap Germany is the main funder of the EU. It is also a major beneficiary being the main growth economy in Europe and enjoys a massive positive trade balance, well over £20billion pa of which is with the UK. Unlike the UK which loses out on both counts. Well... It won't be long mr coke. In a few months we will be out. And we will all be able to enjoy the riches of our non-membership. Higher wages, more hospitals, more jobs. Great stuff.
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Post by Northy on Oct 21, 2019 20:55:57 GMT
They haven't though, there was an amendment wasnt there. How many times has Bercow used presedence in Erskine May to favour Brexit? None ! Yet has done it a lot of times for leave. The blokes abused his position and I'm glad he's getting investigated.
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Post by Northy on Oct 21, 2019 20:59:44 GMT
The Traitor Bercow has rejected the " Meaningful Vote" A bigger remoaner you will not find. Here today, gone tomorrow, he should be nowhere near the decision process, and should be removed immediately from his post. For the last 18 months all that he has done is try to scupper Brexit. W That cunt will spend the next 5 years on the after dinner speaker circuit following a book deal and appearance on the Graham norton show preening himself like a peacock Just read he's now going to be investigated for historical abuse, the claims process is to open before he leaves, could stop his move into the Lord's 👍
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2019 21:13:14 GMT
Germany is the main funder of the EU. It is also a major beneficiary being the main growth economy in Europe and enjoys a massive positive trade balance, well over £20billion pa of which is with the UK. Unlike the UK which loses out on both counts. Well... It won't be long mr coke. In a few months we will be out. And we will all be able to enjoy the riches of our non-membership. Higher wages, more hospitals, more jobs. Great stuff. That’s the spirit Less of them negative waves
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Post by eyeonebob on Oct 21, 2019 21:15:53 GMT
Wants a massive slap in her chops. Doing the exact opposite of what her constituency voted for.
Makes my piss boil, good luck knocking on doors again begging for votes, fucking shit house.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 21, 2019 21:15:58 GMT
Well... It won't be long mr coke. In a few months we will be out. And we will all be able to enjoy the riches of our non-membership. Higher wages, more hospitals, more jobs. Great stuff. That’s the spirit Less of them negative waves 😊
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Post by Davef on Oct 21, 2019 21:19:01 GMT
They haven't though, there was an amendment wasnt there. How many times has Bercow used presedence in Erskine May to favour Brexit? None ! Yet has done it a lot of times for leave. The blokes abused his position and I'm glad he's getting investigated. Johnson pulled the vote on Saturday, not Bercow.
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Post by 4372 on Oct 21, 2019 22:08:24 GMT
They haven't though, there was an amendment wasnt there. How many times has Bercow used presedence in Erskine May to favour Brexit? None ! Yet has done it a lot of times for leave. The blokes abused his position and I'm glad he's getting investigated. Johnson pulled the vote on Saturday, not Bercow. Can you please refrain from bringing factual accuracy to this discussion.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 21, 2019 22:22:19 GMT
On Saturday she said she was voting for the deal. Has she changed her mind?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 22:38:29 GMT
You can add Paul farrelly and Gareth snell to that list, betrayed there local constituents in one of the highest probrexit areas in the UK. They'll get there just deserts come the impending election the traitors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 2:48:35 GMT
Why should any of the happenings over the last couple of years come as any surprise? I know that they have, but as things unfold now - it all should have been perfectly obvious. Remain are very keen to inform me that I didn't understand the question in the first place. I must have become frightened about the level of immigration. Or some "European Army" that might be formed. I have probably changed my mind now having been struck by a lightening bolt from some pro EU God. The fact is that the EU is anti democratic. Having held a referendum, why should we be surprised that Remainers (anti democratic followers) will not honour the result? Why should they? They are themselves anti democratic. Should we hold another referendum, and Remain win - loe and behold they will all be preaching the value of democracy and the fight that took place to retain it over two world wars.
At this moment, we are not a democratic nation. Might I suggest that we stop behaving like one?
Make of that what you will.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 22, 2019 3:23:38 GMT
W That cunt will spend the next 5 years on the after dinner speaker circuit following a book deal and appearance on the Graham norton show preening himself like a peacock Just read he's now going to be investigated for historical abuse, the claims process is to open before he leaves, could stop his move into the Lord's 👍 Hope he gets his comeuppance 👍
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