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Post by mrcoke on Oct 16, 2019 22:47:55 GMT
Deal or no deal there is no end to this Brexit misery. Everything that goes wrong for the country for the next generation will be blamed on Brexit.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 16, 2019 23:35:39 GMT
Deal or no deal there is no end to this Brexit misery. Everything that goes wrong for the country for the next generation will be blamed on Brexit. Yeah and a huge proportion of it will be true won’t it.. even the most optimistic leavers generally accept there’s going to be a long period of pain before any tangible gain don’t they...?
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 17, 2019 5:03:38 GMT
Stella Creasey now tweeting that the DUP are using stopping equal abortion access in Northern Ireland as a bargaining chip. This whole process is now sordid, filthy, and utterly shameful. If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 17, 2019 5:27:52 GMT
Everything that goes wrong for the country for the next generation will be blamed on Brexit. Yeah and a huge proportion of it will be true won’t it.. even the most optimistic leavers generally accept there’s going to be a long period of pain before any tangible gain don’t they...? Pragmatism: ‘Getting it wrong, but carrying on regardless, cause they’re too proud to admit it.’ Internalise that $#!t & keep it buried till forgotten. Only for it to rear it’s ugly head with a vengeance in years to come...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 17, 2019 5:51:36 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 17, 2019 5:55:59 GMT
Any bets on the EU refusing another extension if this latest deal flounders , I wouldn't be surprised if they wash their hands of the whole sorry saga
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2019 6:00:39 GMT
Any bets on the EU refusing another extension if this latest deal flounders , I wouldn't be surprised if they wash their hands of the whole sorry saga I can always live in hope Trouble is then you will get a revoke vote
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 6:22:51 GMT
Possibly the key bit of that is “as it stands” part. There seems to be some classical 11th hour political bartering going on. Still time for a deal. Possibly!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 6:32:08 GMT
Stella Creasey now tweeting that the DUP are using stopping equal abortion access in Northern Ireland as a bargaining chip. This whole process is now sordid, filthy, and utterly shameful. If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful That really is painfully lame now H. It is not the fault of any opposition that another Tory PM cannot negotiate a deal that archaic, woman despising, religious freaks North of the Border and swivel eyed right wing loons in their own party can get behind.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Oct 17, 2019 6:33:42 GMT
Possibly the key bit of that is “as it stands” part. There seems to be some classical 11th hour political bartering going on. Still time for a deal. Possibly!! If the DUP are using this to impede women’s rights they are an absolute disgrace 😔
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 6:37:46 GMT
Possibly the key bit of that is “as it stands” part. There seems to be some classical 11th hour political bartering going on. Still time for a deal. Possibly!! If the DUP are using this to impede women’s rights they are an absolute disgrace 😔 If... A big wee word.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2019 6:46:39 GMT
Possibly the key bit of that is “as it stands” part. There seems to be some classical 11th hour political bartering going on. Still time for a deal. Possibly!! If the DUP are using this to impede women’s rights they are an absolute disgrace 😔 No they are doing it to protect the rights of Northern Ireland to remain British Oh and also to protect the right of unborn children
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 17, 2019 6:57:37 GMT
If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful That really is painfully lame now H. It is not the fault of any opposition that another Tory PM cannot negotiate a deal that archaic, woman despising, religious freaks North of the Border and swivel eyed right wing loons in their own party can get behind. But the Opposition could agree an alternative deal which ‘respects’ the result and cuts the DUP out of it (and ERG). This was attempted by Theresa May in the Spring. The Labour Party could have got big concessions on workers rights out of such a deal but it seems that political grandstanding and/or die hard Remain sentiment in parts of the Labour leadership got in the way. Thus forcing May and Johnson back to the DUP.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 17, 2019 6:59:12 GMT
Stella Creasey now tweeting that the DUP are using stopping equal abortion access in Northern Ireland as a bargaining chip. This whole process is now sordid, filthy, and utterly shameful. If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful Well if the Cons hadn’t pulled the Referendum trick in the 1st place to solve their parties division(that worked) Yadder, Yadder, Yadder...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2019 7:01:16 GMT
If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful That really is painfully lame now H. It is not the fault of any opposition that another Tory PM cannot negotiate a deal that archaic, woman despising, religious freaks North of the Border and swivel eyed right wing loons in their own party can get behind. Nobody can negotiate a proper Brexit with the EU. Anybody could stay within it's institutions and call it Brexit, though. That's the key difference.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 7:05:14 GMT
If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful Well if the Cons hadn’t pulled the Referendum trick in the 1st place to solve their parties division(that worked) Yadder, Yadder, Yadder... And if Labour and The Lib Dem’s hadn’t endorsed the use of a referendum to settle the status of the UK in the EU in their election manifestos of 2005 and 2011 respectively... What Cameron did is deliver what Labour had previously promised and the Lib Dem’s demanded. Of course what unites all three is none of them thought the British public would get it wrong and vote the wrong way. Ah well.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 7:07:24 GMT
That really is painfully lame now H. It is not the fault of any opposition that another Tory PM cannot negotiate a deal that archaic, woman despising, religious freaks North of the Border and swivel eyed right wing loons in their own party can get behind. But the Opposition could agree an alternative deal which ‘respects’ the result and cuts the DUP out of it (and ERG). This was attempted by Theresa May in the Spring. The Labour Party could have got big concessions on workers rights out of such a deal but it seems that political grandstanding and/or die hard Remain sentiment in parts of the Labour leadership got in the way. Thus forcing May and Johnson back to the DUP. You mean the talks that the opposition weren't invited to until nearly three years of complete Tory Bunglefuckery were completed and aren't involved in at all currently? Yeah, sure, it's Jermy Corbyn's fault that a young girl in NI body is treated differently to the rest of the UK
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 17, 2019 7:16:11 GMT
Well if the Cons hadn’t pulled the Referendum trick in the 1st place to solve their parties division(that worked) Yadder, Yadder, Yadder... And if Labour and The Lib Dem’s hadn’t endorsed the use of a referendum to settle the status of the UK in the EU in their election manifestos of 2005 and 2011 respectively... What Cameron did is deliver what Labour had previously promised and the Lib Dem’s demanded. Of course what unites all three is none of them thought the British public would get it wrong and vote the wrong way. Ah well. Steady now, You’re spinning the facts of history there.
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 7:28:31 GMT
If the opposition parties had kept there promises to respect the result of the referendum the DUP would be irrelevant. Utterly shameful That really is painfully lame now H. It is not the fault of any opposition that another Tory PM cannot negotiate a deal that archaic, woman despising, religious freaks North of the Border and swivel eyed right wing loons in their own party can get behind. Quite a large continent of leavers tend to be serial blame-shifters, and yet they claim that remainers moan. Always pointing the finger rather than acknowledging the apocalyptic bad decision that will signal the end of days for the UK economy. Let's hope they get a supply of food in for when Doomsday arrives.
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 7:30:42 GMT
But the Opposition could agree an alternative deal which ‘respects’ the result and cuts the DUP out of it (and ERG). This was attempted by Theresa May in the Spring. The Labour Party could have got big concessions on workers rights out of such a deal but it seems that political grandstanding and/or die hard Remain sentiment in parts of the Labour leadership got in the way. Thus forcing May and Johnson back to the DUP. You mean the talks that the opposition weren't invited to until nearly three years of complete Tory Bunglefuckery were completed and aren't involved in at all currently? Yeah, sure, it's Jermy Corbyn's fault that a young girl in NI body is treated differently to the rest of the UK Wasn't he a character in Rainbow? Got that damn theme tune stuck in my head now.
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 7:34:38 GMT
Well if the Cons hadn’t pulled the Referendum trick in the 1st place to solve their parties division(that worked) Yadder, Yadder, Yadder... And if Labour and The Lib Dem’s hadn’t endorsed the use of a referendum to settle the status of the UK in the EU in their election manifestos of 2005 and 2011 respectively... What Cameron did is deliver what Labour had previously promised and the Lib Dem’s demanded. Of course what unites all three is none of them thought the British public would get it wrong and vote the wrong way. Ah well. Hit the nail on the head there mate. Not that I care anymore. I'm only here for shits and giggles.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 7:37:34 GMT
And if Labour and The Lib Dem’s hadn’t endorsed the use of a referendum to settle the status of the UK in the EU in their election manifestos of 2005 and 2011 respectively... What Cameron did is deliver what Labour had previously promised and the Lib Dem’s demanded. Of course what unites all three is none of them thought the British public would get it wrong and vote the wrong way. Ah well. Steady now, You’re spinning the facts of history there. Now you are just being silly.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 17, 2019 7:47:08 GMT
But the Opposition could agree an alternative deal which ‘respects’ the result and cuts the DUP out of it (and ERG). This was attempted by Theresa May in the Spring. The Labour Party could have got big concessions on workers rights out of such a deal but it seems that political grandstanding and/or die hard Remain sentiment in parts of the Labour leadership got in the way. Thus forcing May and Johnson back to the DUP. You mean the talks that the opposition weren't invited to until nearly three years of complete Tory Bunglefuckery were completed and aren't involved in at all currently? Yeah, sure, it's Jermy Corbyn's fault that a young girl in NI body is treated differently to the rest of the UK Of course the government are going to try and pass their own deal without needing the opposition. When they couldn’t it presented a golden opportunity to Labour to get the kind of deal that would be more acceptable to them. Is there any indication what sort of deal Labour would support?
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 7:51:14 GMT
You mean the talks that the opposition weren't invited to until nearly three years of complete Tory Bunglefuckery were completed and aren't involved in at all currently? Yeah, sure, it's Jermy Corbyn's fault that a young girl in NI body is treated differently to the rest of the UK Of course the government are going to try and pass their own deal without needing the opposition. When they couldn’t it presented a golden opportunity to Labour to get the kind of deal that would be more acceptable to them. Is there any indication what sort of deal Labour would support? The kind of deal that was apparently easy to get before the referendum. All the perks without the twerks.... although i wouldn't mind Swinson doing a bit of twerking. So to summarise and bring us back to where we were weeks/months ago. There won't be a deal that gets widespread approval. It will be no-deal or no Brexit (imo).
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2019 7:51:47 GMT
I don't understand how anyone could expect a deal to be struck which relied on a compromise from the DUP simply never ever going to happen. Shows a level of ignorance and contempt for the Real Politic in Northern Ireland that is difficult to comprehend.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 17, 2019 7:54:53 GMT
Of course the government are going to try and pass their own deal without needing the opposition. When they couldn’t it presented a golden opportunity to Labour to get the kind of deal that would be more acceptable to them. Is there any indication what sort of deal Labour would support? The kind of deal that was apparently easy to get before the referendum. All the perks without the twerks.... although i wouldn't mind Swinson doing a bit of twerking. So to summarise and bring us back to where we were weeks/months ago. There won't be a deal that gets that gets widespread approval. It will be no-deal or no Brexit (imo). So, if there’s no deal that Labour could ever support, it might be nice if they could act accordingly in parliament and let the electorate know.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2019 8:24:40 GMT
The kind of deal that was apparently easy to get before the referendum. All the perks without the twerks.... although i wouldn't mind Swinson doing a bit of twerking. So to summarise and bring us back to where we were weeks/months ago. There won't be a deal that gets that gets widespread approval. It will be no-deal or no Brexit (imo). So, if there’s no deal that Labour could ever support, it might be nice if they could act accordingly in parliament and let the electorate know. They might support one that basically keeps us in(Single Market, Customs Union). Even then they would prefer to stay in 100%, or at least some of them would. Fair play to Stephen Kinnock, he's at least willing to compromise and vote for a deal. As you say, the honest thing to have done was for those who didn't want to leave would have been not to vote for the referendum in the first place, not to vote to trigger Article 50, and not to stand on a manifesto to honour the result of the referendum. But honesty is in short supply in politics, on all sides.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2019 8:26:41 GMT
I don't understand how anyone could expect a deal to be struck which relied on a compromise from the DUP simply never ever going to happen. Shows a level of ignorance and contempt for the Real Politic in Northern Ireland that is difficult to comprehend. That's what happens when you call an election and risk your majority.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 17, 2019 9:32:21 GMT
I don't understand how anyone could expect a deal to be struck which relied on a compromise from the DUP simply never ever going to happen. Shows a level of ignorance and contempt for the Real Politic in Northern Ireland that is difficult to comprehend. Funny how the one thing holding the whole thing up was the one thing that was barely mentioned (if at all) in the run up to the vote.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 9:44:22 GMT
Oh I bet they've been 'squared'
A bit of magic money tree, a dash of anti-abortion, I wonder what else Big Arlene and her band of archaic creationists have got into the bargain.
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