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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 9:46:09 GMT
Boris announces a agreed a “great” deal between UK and EU
as parliment will repeatedly block no deal the only deal available is one of compromises
Some we will like some we won’t. It will always not be enough for some.
Labour will reject it because it isn’t there’s libs will reject it because they are now backing out of brexit
No further forward
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 9:47:15 GMT
Boris announces a agreed a “great” deal between UK and EU as parliment will repeatedly block no deal the only deal available is one of compromises Some we will like some we won’t. It will always not be enough for some. Labour will reject it because it isn’t there’s libs will reject it because they are now backing out of brexit No further forward Like the one Johnson didn't like and rejected twice?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 9:47:55 GMT
Well, well. Who’d have thought it: New Brexit deal agreed, UK PM Boris Johnson saysOf course, we need to see what is behind this and no doubt there will be some fun and games in the House on Saturday but he has done something most of his opponents doubted not just that he could do but that he even had an interest in doing - and that is to negotiate a new deal with the EU that the house can vote on. Over to Westminster.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 9:51:44 GMT
Boris announces a agreed a “great” deal between UK and EU as parliment will repeatedly block no deal the only deal available is one of compromises Some we will like some we won’t. It will always not be enough for some. Labour will reject it because it isn’t there’s libs will reject it because they are now backing out of brexit No further forward Not necessarily. With the DUP and a reasonable number of Tory rebels on board he could, with support from some Labour MPs either voting or abstaining, get this over the line. I reckon this will get through Parliament - just!
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 9:51:49 GMT
Well, well. Who’d have thought it: New Brexit deal agreed, UK PM Boris Johnson saysOf course, we need to see what is behind this and no doubt there will be some fun and games in the House on Saturday but he has done something most of his opponents doubted not just that he could do but that he even had an interest in doing - and that is to negotiate a new deal with the EU that the house can vote on. Over to Westminster. Westminster who repeatedly say they will respect the vote. Boris has got them. They don’t want no deal. We have the best deal we can get. If they back out now it makes them even lower in public estimation
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 9:51:58 GMT
Well, well. Who’d have thought it: New Brexit deal agreed, UK PM Boris Johnson saysOf course, we need to see what is behind this and no doubt there will be some fun and games in the House on Saturday but he has done something most of his opponents doubted not just that he could do but that he even had an interest in doing - and that is to negotiate a new deal with the EU that the house can vote on. Over to Westminster. How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 9:59:55 GMT
The underlying suggestion is that its a pretty shit deal that no one in the UK will be happy with but the Government is going to sell it as this deal or no deal.
So a really shit deal was better than a no deal all along then.
Took us 3 1/2 years to get there.
Enjoy your shit deal everyone!
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 10:04:11 GMT
The underlying suggestion is that its a pretty shit deal that no one in the UK will be happy with but the Government is going to sell it as this deal or no deal. So a really shit deal was better than a no deal all along then. Took us 3 1/2 years to get there. Enjoy your shit deal everyone! Momo you would walk away from any deal/purchase/ etc that you didn’t agree with,so you are right. A shit deal is not better than no deal But parliment keep taking no deal off the table. It’s Parliments failure that any deal will be shit because they have nothing left to threaten the EU with. The EU knows this so are hardly going to give us decent concessions They will try and reject shit deal after shit deal hopefully leading to remain.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2019 10:07:27 GMT
Well, well. Who’d have thought it: New Brexit deal agreed, UK PM Boris Johnson saysOf course, we need to see what is behind this and no doubt there will be some fun and games in the House on Saturday but he has done something most of his opponents doubted not just that he could do but that he even had an interest in doing - and that is to negotiate a new deal with the EU that the house can vote on. Over to Westminster. How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed. I agree. We don’t yet know what is in the deal. One thing we do know is Johnson has been far more astute than May in bringing along with him the people whose votes he needs meaning the DUP and ERG. May didn’t do this and paid the price. She never stood a chance because she was an inept politician. Anyway, I’m heading north for some mountains over the next three days so I’ll miss the minute by minute shenanigans of the coming weekend.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2019 10:10:48 GMT
Well, well. Who’d have thought it: New Brexit deal agreed, UK PM Boris Johnson saysOf course, we need to see what is behind this and no doubt there will be some fun and games in the House on Saturday but he has done something most of his opponents doubted not just that he could do but that he even had an interest in doing - and that is to negotiate a new deal with the EU that the house can vote on. Over to Westminster. How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed. Quite a few on here sensed that a tweaked May deal was the only one parliament might vote for, and even Farage doubted Johnson would ever go for no deal. Johnson can't win, can he? He compromises and he's weak, he doesn't and he's a dictator. I have called him a bluffer on here, but he's achieved more in months than May did in years. That's why parliament is so opposed to him; they don't want someone who might actually get Brexit done. Whether that is a true Brexit is another matter! 😁
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 10:10:48 GMT
How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed. I agree. We don’t yet know what is in the deal. One thing we do know is Johnson has been far more astute than May in bringing along with him the people whose votes he needs meaning the DUP and ERG. May didn’t do this and paid the price. She never stood a chance because she was an inept politician. Anyway, I’m heading north for some mountains over the next three days so I’ll miss the minute by minute shenanigans of the coming weekend. Yes, Saturday should be interesting. A load of overpaid charlatans who'd sell their own grandmother for a fiver letting everyone down again. That's Stoke V Fulham, Should be fun in Parliament as well Enjoy the hills.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 17, 2019 10:12:46 GMT
Trying to figure out the numbers.
Johnson's 'majority' is still minus 40 right? So he essentially needs to pick up 41 non-Tory votes - and that is if every single Tory votes with him. So I guess the number is closer is to 45-50?
Now those 45-50 aren't going to come from the DUP (if their response to this deal is to be believed), the SNP, Lib Dems, or any other of the minor parties (Plaid etc). So they need to come from ex-Tory MPs that were expelled, or Labour.
45-50 seems possible to me, as some Labour MPs in leave-voting areas will vote for it and certainly some of the former Tory independents will be in for it as well.
I guess things are confused by the possibility of abstaining - which could look like a nice position for the DUP particularly.
That's not taking into account the possibility of Labour supporting the deal as long as they can get a second referendum attached to the bill - which is possible.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 10:13:24 GMT
How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed. Quite a few on here sensed that a tweaked May deal was the only one parliament might vote for, and even Farage doubted Johnson would ever go for no deal. Johnson can't win, can he? He compromises and he's weak, he doesn't and he's a dictator. I have called him a bluffer on here, but he's achieved more in months than May did in years. That's why parliament is so opposed to him; they don't want someone who might actually get Brexit done. Whether that is a true Brexit is another matter! 😁 I think in reality though it will be very much like May's deal. It will displease the hard Brexiteers and Unionists and it will anger the soft Brexiters and remainers. I don't think Johnson has done anything yet. His job starts now as the salesman in the House.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2019 10:16:39 GMT
The underlying suggestion is that its a pretty shit deal that no one in the UK will be happy with but the Government is going to sell it as this deal or no deal. So a really shit deal was better than a no deal all along then. Took us 3 1/2 years to get there. Enjoy your shit deal everyone! It only took Boris 3 months
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 17, 2019 10:16:50 GMT
How new is it though? How different to what he voted down himself twice? As the minute the DUP are playing the hokey cokey, in one minute, out the next? How hypocritical will Baker and Fois Gras be in their 'never surrender' stance. interesting days ahead indeed. I agree. We don’t yet know what is in the deal. One thing we do know is Johnson has been far more astute than May in bringing along with him the people whose votes he needs meaning the DUP and ERG. May didn’t do this and paid the price. She never stood a chance because she was an inept politician. Anyway, I’m heading north for some mountains over the next three days so I’ll miss the minute by minute shenanigans of the coming weekend. Yes. The no-deal threat was not only at Brussels but also at parliament. May’s team didn’t seem to understand that.
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 10:19:39 GMT
If a shit deal or no deal gets through then it's only confirming what remainers have known and have been repeating since day 1.
Better get crossing Nov 1st off on your calendars as the day the world officially ends.
For those on here that haven't already built their nuclear bunkers then I suggest you do so quick.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 10:20:27 GMT
Trying to figure out the numbers. Johnson's 'majority' is still minus 40 right? So he essentially needs to pick up 41 non-Tory votes - and that is if every single Tory votes with him. So I guess the number is closer is to 45-50? Now those 45-50 aren't going to come from the DUP (if their response to this deal is to be believed), the SNP, Lib Dems, or any other of the minor parties (Plaid etc). So they need to come from ex-Tory MPs that were expelled, or Labour. 45-50 seems possible to me, as some Labour MPs in leave-voting areas will vote for it and certainly some of the former Tory independents will be in for it as well. I guess things are confused by the possibility of abstaining - which could look like a nice position for the DUP particularly. That's not taking into account the possibility of Labour supporting the deal as long as they can get a second referendum attached to the bill - which is possible. It's very confusing how he sees this getting through. The DUP has lost it's veto, Labour say they have lost some guarantees on protection of rights. The maths certainly don't work at the moment.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 10:21:42 GMT
Momo would you take a shit deal or no deal
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2019 10:21:46 GMT
Quite a few on here sensed that a tweaked May deal was the only one parliament might vote for, and even Farage doubted Johnson would ever go for no deal. Johnson can't win, can he? He compromises and he's weak, he doesn't and he's a dictator. I have called him a bluffer on here, but he's achieved more in months than May did in years. That's why parliament is so opposed to him; they don't want someone who might actually get Brexit done. Whether that is a true Brexit is another matter! 😁 I think in reality though it will be very much like May's deal. It will displease the hard Brexiteers and Unionists and it will anger the soft Brexiters and remainers. I don't think Johnson has done anything yet. His job starts now as the salesman in the House. Jezza doesn't like it.... 😂
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 17, 2019 10:24:15 GMT
I think in reality though it will be very much like May's deal. It will displease the hard Brexiteers and Unionists and it will anger the soft Brexiters and remainers. I don't think Johnson has done anything yet. His job starts now as the salesman in the House. Jezza doesn't like it.... 😂 It may come down to how many people are prepared to defy Corbyn on the Labour side. I don't think it will be an insignificant number, but who knows if it will be enough.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 10:24:51 GMT
I think in reality though it will be very much like May's deal. It will displease the hard Brexiteers and Unionists and it will anger the soft Brexiters and remainers. I don't think Johnson has done anything yet. His job starts now as the salesman in the House. Jezza doesn't like it.... 😂 Jezza wouldn’t like it if was a carbon copy of his perfect deal because it comes from the gov They all talk of uniting the country. For once in their cunting lives they need to forget party politics. Get this done. Get a GE called with two main manifestos for post brexit
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 10:24:56 GMT
Momo would you take a shit deal or no deal Despite the Governments bluster (and by bluster I mean lies!). A no deal would categorically hit the poorest hardest after a decade of them being on the ropes at the hands of austerity. Therefore a shit deal would be preferable to me but it really is a clap or chlamydia choice!
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Post by foster on Oct 17, 2019 10:26:33 GMT
The underlying suggestion is that its a pretty shit deal that no one in the UK will be happy with but the Government is going to sell it as this deal or no deal. So a really shit deal was better than a no deal all along then. Took us 3 1/2 years to get there. Enjoy your shit deal everyone! It only took Boris 3 months Yep, only took him 3 months to dig up the old deal and make it worse. Nice one Joris.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2019 10:27:45 GMT
Momo would you take a shit deal or no deal Despite the Governments bluster (and by bluster I mean lies!). A no deal would categorically hit the poorest hardest after a decade of them being on the ropes at the hands of austerity. Therefore a shit deal would be preferable to me but it really is a clap or chlamydia choice! Fair points You will agree with me that the reason we are here then is. 1. No cross party talks in negotiations (but they would never agree anyway) 2. Parliments refusal to keep no deal on the table thus ensuring hopefully better negotiations 3. Too many MPs of all parties stating they will respect the vote but doing their utmost to thwart it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2019 10:29:10 GMT
It only took Boris 3 months Yep, only took him 3 months to dig up the old deal and make it worse. Nice one Joris. How is it worse? Have you read the details?
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 17, 2019 10:37:54 GMT
Despite the Governments bluster (and by bluster I mean lies!). A no deal would categorically hit the poorest hardest after a decade of them being on the ropes at the hands of austerity. Therefore a shit deal would be preferable to me but it really is a clap or chlamydia choice! Fair points You will agree with me that the reason we are here then is. 1. No cross party talks in negotiations (but they would never agree anyway) 2. Parliments refusal to keep no deal on the table thus ensuring hopefully better negotiations 3. Too many MPs of all parties stating they will respect the vote but doing their utmost to thwart it. Just a reminder that Starmer denounced as unacceptable the deal he had requested at a previous meeting, then like you say the likes of Lisa Nandy who would vote for a deal but never the actual deal that has been offered.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 17, 2019 10:38:50 GMT
Trying to figure out the numbers. Johnson's 'majority' is still minus 40 right? So he essentially needs to pick up 41 non-Tory votes - and that is if every single Tory votes with him. So I guess the number is closer is to 45-50? Now those 45-50 aren't going to come from the DUP (if their response to this deal is to be believed), the SNP, Lib Dems, or any other of the minor parties (Plaid etc). So they need to come from ex-Tory MPs that were expelled, or Labour. 45-50 seems possible to me, as some Labour MPs in leave-voting areas will vote for it and certainly some of the former Tory independents will be in for it as well. I guess things are confused by the possibility of abstaining - which could look like a nice position for the DUP particularly. That's not taking into account the possibility of Labour supporting the deal as long as they can get a second referendum attached to the bill - which is possible. It's very confusing how he sees this getting through. The DUP has lost it's veto, Labour say they have lost some guarantees on protection of rights. The maths certainly don't work at the moment.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2019 10:41:20 GMT
Fuck me! Jezza's just arrived in Brussels. What an embarrassment. An hour late and a dollar short.
'Hi I'm Jeremy can you hold this can for me while I take a run up. Cheers comrade'
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2019 10:41:31 GMT
It's very confusing how he sees this getting through. The DUP has lost it's veto, Labour say they have lost some guarantees on protection of rights. The maths certainly don't work at the moment. Yeah that seems the strategy, vote for my shit deal (which I effectively voted against myself twice) or have a no deal. Plenty of shenanigans ahead on this one that is for sure.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 17, 2019 10:42:30 GMT
Doesn't this new deal now mean the Benn act is negated, its deal or no deal now that is the choice
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