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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2019 9:52:27 GMT
I was working in a facility in Amsterdam last week, I was shocked at the standard of fire detection and suppression installed, or not installed, and we are supposed to be working to the same standards, similar to one in Milan as well, lack of basic H&S emergency exit signage for a start. Well said Northy. I have gone on at length on previous posts about how other EU countries do not implement safe legislation the way we do. One of the worst examples I quoted was when I worked in the quarrying industry we were loaned a mobile crusher in lieu of one we were buying from France. A colleague viewed the crusher when it was working in France before it was sent to us and told the other company it would need guarding in the UK. The company agreed and when it arrived a contractor turned up to guard it to UK standards, but as soon as our electrical engineer saw it he condemned it and said it could not be used as it fell hopelessly short of UK Electrical Regulations standards. When the new one we were purchasing, which was built to UK standards, arrived, the loaned one went back to France on a low loader, having never turned a wheel to be used again in France. We have not talking different signage standards here, we are talking £100,000s of expense on plant and machinery that put's UK industry at a disadvantage to those countries including Germany where guarding can be almost none existent on some plants; all they do is put up a warning sign not to touch. A German engineer once recommended a piece of German equipment for us to purchase. Our works engineer agreed it was built to excellent standards but could not be used as it was not CE marked. The German engineer laughed at him saying that was just EU regulations that only the British follow. A couple of years ago I was witness testing some plant in Italy, we ordered 6, the one we tested was fine, after they were installed we started to get failures, which had costly knock on affects, the 5 we hadn't tested had been altered without approval or quality control checked, they had to pick up the cost of having them removed, shipping back to Italy and made to the original design, returned and installed again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 10:05:27 GMT
Article is full of subtle bias. That’s not like the bbc is it.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 16, 2019 11:34:08 GMT
I was working in a facility in Amsterdam last week, I was shocked at the standard of fire detection and suppression installed, or not installed, and we are supposed to be working to the same standards, similar to one in Milan as well, lack of basic H&S emergency exit signage for a start. Well said Northy. I have gone on at length on previous posts about how other EU countries do not implement safe legislation the way we do. One of the worst examples I quoted was when I worked in the quarrying industry we were loaned a mobile crusher in lieu of one we were buying from France. A colleague viewed the crusher when it was working in France before it was sent to us and told the other company it would need guarding in the UK. The company agreed and when it arrived a contractor turned up to guard it to UK standards, but as soon as our electrical engineer saw it he condemned it and said it could not be used as it fell hopelessly short of UK Electrical Regulations standards. When the new one we were purchasing, which was built to UK standards, arrived, the loaned one went back to France on a low loader, having never turned a wheel to be used again in France. We have not talking different signage standards here, we are talking £100,000s of expense on plant and machinery that put's UK industry at a disadvantage to those countries including Germany where guarding can be almost none existent on some plants; all they do is put up a warning sign not to touch. A German engineer once recommended a piece of German equipment for us to purchase. Our works engineer agreed it was built to excellent standards but could not be used as it was not CE marked. The German engineer laughed at him saying that was just EU regulations that only the British follow. The UK has spent millions raising bridges for the Great Western electrification to meet EU clearance standards. When those behind the regulation heard what we were doing they were amazed and said all we had to was ask for an exemption.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 11:51:21 GMT
When this nearly deal falls on its arse again and people start to blame labour, lets not forget the failure in negotiation and the real blockages to any sort of reasonable Brexit No No No Unless the magic creationist money tree turns up again.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 16, 2019 12:10:35 GMT
When this nearly deal falls on its arse again and people start to blame labour, lets not forget the failure in negotiation and the real blockages to any sort of reasonable Brexit No No No Unless the magic creationist money tree turns up again. But people will blame labour if only twenty voted for a deal the DUP would be irrelevant
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 12:32:05 GMT
When this nearly deal falls on its arse again and people start to blame labour, lets not forget the failure in negotiation and the real blockages to any sort of reasonable Brexit No No No Unless the magic creationist money tree turns up again. But people will blame labour if only twenty voted for a deal the DUP would be irrelevant Right so now we're getting somewhere, it's Labour's fault because 20 of them didn't vote for a flawed deal that no one really wanted in the first place and the failure in negotiation by two successive Tory MP's and the intransigence of the vested interests in Northern Ireland are irrelevant. Even if you bribe one side with £1B?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2019 12:36:21 GMT
When this nearly deal falls on its arse again and people start to blame labour, lets not forget the failure in negotiation and the real blockages to any sort of reasonable Brexit No No No Unless the magic creationist money tree turns up again. What blockages? Over to Jezzbollah to whip against a deal that potentially the DUP, ERG (mostly) and the EU are supporting and then see how many MP's he's going to have to throw out of the party just before a general election that Labour isn't even ready for. Good times.
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Post by yeokel on Oct 16, 2019 12:42:05 GMT
But people will blame labour if only twenty voted for a deal the DUP would be irrelevant Right so now we're getting somewhere, it's Labour's fault because 20 of them didn't vote for a flawed deal that no one really wanted in the first place and the failure in negotiation by two successive Tory MP's and the intransigence of the vested interests in Northern Ireland are irrelevant. Even if you bribe one side with £1B? It’s Labour's fault that the government can and does get away with doing things like bribing the DUP as they are such an ineffective opposition, incapable of holding this government to account.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 16, 2019 12:48:17 GMT
When does the vote on the deal in parliament happen?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 13:37:34 GMT
When this nearly deal falls on its arse again and people start to blame labour, lets not forget the failure in negotiation and the real blockages to any sort of reasonable Brexit No No No Unless the magic creationist money tree turns up again. What blockages? Over to Jezzbollah to whip against a deal that potentially the DUP, ERG (mostly) and the EU are supporting and then see how many MP's he's going to have to throw out of the party just before a general election that Labour isn't even ready for. Good times. Big Arlene And Mark Foie Gra's arses are still twitching like a dog with worms No Surrender etc.......
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Post by salopstick on Oct 16, 2019 14:33:20 GMT
When does the vote on the deal in parliament happen? Satdee
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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2019 15:47:13 GMT
When does the vote on the deal in parliament happen? Satdee Which MP's like Sourbry are now petitioning to not sit on Saturday
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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2019 15:49:04 GMT
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 16, 2019 16:52:14 GMT
We're going into a situation that is going to be a catastrophe for the UK economy, deal or no deal. Depends how you define catastrophe. I voted remain because of the economic impacts but in no way could the current best estimates of a no-deal (a few percent of ‘lost’ GDP be described as a catastrophe).
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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2019 18:14:07 GMT
Benn asked to resign from chair of dexeu
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2019 18:43:50 GMT
I wonder if the trip is part of their " normal" MP's " duties? Transport claimed on expenses?
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 16, 2019 18:54:33 GMT
Oh look its the cnut who only wanted to stop no deal brexit now trying to stop a deal being voted on.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 16, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
14 million people in the UK are not living in poverty - least ways not the sort of poverty most folks believe that word to represent. That number comes from one of those theoretical, arbitrary relative poverty studies that, for political effect, choose values that generate a headline grabbing numbers that gullible fools like to grab hold off to show what a desperate place this country is. Of course, there are issues with real poverty and with addressing wealth disparity, but the numbers above are just silly. I agree with you about poverty. That 14m figure probably includes anyone who doesn't have a playstation. People will be worse off after Brexit, but not to the levels of real poverty seen in other countries. Still the lie of being worse off is being repeated, the absolute worst of the worst forecasts predict the economy grows by 20% less in total over 40 years, all the forecasts still include growth just supposedly less than staying in the EU. Just a reminder these forecasts based on unknown deals 40 years into the future are bought to you by the same people who couldnt forecast 1 day after the referendum correctly and get the budget forecast wrong every year.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 16, 2019 19:09:30 GMT
I agree with you about poverty. That 14m figure probably includes anyone who doesn't have a playstation. People will be worse off after Brexit, but not to the levels of real poverty seen in other countries. Still the lie of being worse off is being repeated, the absolute worst of the worst forecasts predict the economy grows by 20% less in total over 40 years, all the forecasts still include growth just supposedly less than staying in the EU. Just a reminder these forecasts based on unknown deals 40 years into the future are bought to you by the same people who couldnt forecast 1 day after the referendum correctly and get the budget forecast wrong every year. Nobody knows. Nobody. That's why I voted remain.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 16, 2019 19:12:46 GMT
When does the vote on the deal in parliament happen? Satdee Daft politicians. Arsing about with brexit when they should be at football. 😆
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:18:59 GMT
I wonder if the trip is part of their " normal" MP's " duties? Transport claimed on expenses? If these shysters are so keen on Brussels and the EU let's hope they damned well stay there !
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Post by salopstick on Oct 16, 2019 19:19:46 GMT
Still the lie of being worse off is being repeated, the absolute worst of the worst forecasts predict the economy grows by 20% less in total over 40 years, all the forecasts still include growth just supposedly less than staying in the EU. Just a reminder these forecasts based on unknown deals 40 years into the future are bought to you by the same people who couldnt forecast 1 day after the referendum correctly and get the budget forecast wrong every year. Nobody knows. Nobody. That's why I voted remain. No body knows. Nobody. That’s why I didn’t fall for the remain propaganda
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 19:27:37 GMT
Is the delay so the DUP can finish counting their bribe?
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 16, 2019 19:34:47 GMT
Is the delay so the DUP can finish counting their bribe? Is this the second or third one??
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 16, 2019 19:45:39 GMT
Oh look its the cnut who only wanted to stop no deal brexit now trying to stop a deal being voted on. It's never been about No Deal for some, has it?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 19:50:42 GMT
Is the delay so the DUP can finish counting their bribe? Is this the second or third one?? Third and rumoured to be the biggest. It will be funny to watch them and the ERG vote for what's rumoured to be in this deal. It seems that a lot off principles are going to be found dead in a ditch if nothing else is.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 16, 2019 20:08:59 GMT
Is this the second or third one?? Third and rumoured to be the biggest. It will be funny to watch them and the ERG vote for what's rumoured to be in this deal. It seems that a lot off principles are going to be found dead in a ditch if nothing else is. I think "principles" went out of the window many moons ago ... From all sides. Northern Ireland. The Singapore of the North. Great stuff.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 21:13:52 GMT
Stella Creasey now tweeting that the DUP are using stopping equal abortion access in Northern Ireland as a bargaining chip.
This whole process is now sordid, filthy, and utterly shameful.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 21:44:46 GMT
Stella Creasey now tweeting that the DUP are using stopping equal abortion access in Northern Ireland as a bargaining chip. This whole process is now sordid, filthy, and utterly shameful. That’s politics!
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Post by Gods on Oct 16, 2019 21:49:00 GMT
Deal or no deal there is no end to this Brexit misery.
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