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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 15, 2019 17:17:32 GMT
I was pertaining to the staging, not the story behind it. But it wasn't a staging.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2019 18:30:01 GMT
It’s now or never...
Possibly.
Deadline, according to M. Barnier, is 23.00 tonight UK time if a deal can be done without an extension.
Does anyone care any more?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 15, 2019 18:39:29 GMT
It’s now or never... Possibly. Deadline, according to M. Barnier, is 23.00 tonight UK time if a deal can be done without an extension. Does anyone care any more? Has Jim White got his countdown ticker on the go? It's only a matter of time before someone shoves a purple dildo in Laura Keunsberg's ear.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2019 19:01:41 GMT
It’s now or never... Possibly. Deadline, according to M. Barnier, is 23.00 tonight UK time if a deal can be done without an extension. Does anyone care any more? The EU has to decide whether they think an extension gets a better deal for them or if there is an election and a sizeable majority for Boris then they could get much less either way good to see Labour are still playing silly buggers
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 15, 2019 19:14:48 GMT
It’s now or never... Possibly. Deadline, according to M. Barnier, is 23.00 tonight UK time if a deal can be done without an extension. Does anyone care any more? The EU has to decide whether they think an extension gets a better deal for them or if there is an election and a sizeable majority for Boris then they could get much less either way good to see Labour are still playing silly buggers That's why it should be a free vote. John Mann was on LBC earlier and seemed to be for the deal. Why don't Labour think they can win on the strength of their policies, irrespective of Brexit?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 15, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
The EU has to decide whether they think an extension gets a better deal for them or if there is an election and a sizeable majority for Boris then they could get much less either way good to see Labour are still playing silly buggers That's why it should be a free vote. John Mann was on LBC earlier and seemed to be for the deal. Why don't Labour think they can win on the strength of their policies, irrespective of Brexit? Again it’s only the withdrawal. They need to be concentrating on winning an election with their vision for a post BREXIT UK. The bottom line is once boris secures brexit he’s heading for a landslide
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 19:43:19 GMT
Just seen that tweet from Nadine Dorris.
What a shambles if it's true, the EU must be laughing all the way to their wine cellars
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 15, 2019 21:02:17 GMT
Absolutely scandalous. Comparable to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, the imprisonment of Henry Hunt*, and the long fight for universal suffrage. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hunt_(politician)The Spanish law may make the Catalan referendum illegal, but that is just another example of the establishment protecting their position and government being out of touch with the will of the people. Francoism is not yet totally dead. History shows that autocratic government eventually collapses but until it does those that fight against oppression and for freedom and democracy have to suffer. The reason the EU is so prepared to damage the UK to punish it for leaving, as they know that cracks in their ideology will widen, leading to its eventual demise like all empires and highly centralized federal states like the Soviet Union. I used to believe that a European economic union was a good idea, but experience has taught me that freedom and sovereignty is more important than standard of living. I admire the Scots for sticking out for their independence, just as all the nations of the former British empire have established their independence, and I believe that all people's like Kurds, Palestinians, and Jews are entitled to self government, which I accept can be extremely difficult to achieve when two nations claim the same piece of land/territory. The Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and Sark are independent and not members of the EU, but enjoy free trade with the EU. England should be the same. What Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland want to do should be for them to decide, but speaking as an Englishman, I just don't want to be paying for it, like we do with the EU. Ok Braveheart, What experience are you talking about exactly? and what hardship has the EU inflicted on you? My experiences include being a member of a European industrial committee for many years, which I chaired for three years. Working for a French company for 7 years opened my eyes to their duplicity. I have not suffered personal hardship having been a successful manager who has moved from company to company, but I have witnessed 1000s of steel workers lose their jobs because UK governments follow the rules whereas other EU countries flaunt the rules, operate cartels, and engage in blatant corruption.
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Post by capto on Oct 15, 2019 21:08:51 GMT
mjopr.basecamphq.com/mobile/#/projects/14184015/posts/1092687821. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 15, 2019 22:35:14 GMT
mjopr.basecamphq.com/mobile/#/projects/14184015/posts/1092687821. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Apologies if I sound dull, but how do we earn from membership? Please explain in layman terms.
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Post by pearo on Oct 16, 2019 6:20:26 GMT
Latest poll of polls show that only 34% now want to Remain
Change is coming.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 16, 2019 6:26:47 GMT
Latest poll of polls show that only 34% now want to Remain Change is coming. Link please
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 16, 2019 6:26:59 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 16, 2019 7:41:05 GMT
Ok Braveheart, What experience are you talking about exactly? and what hardship has the EU inflicted on you? My experiences include being a member of a European industrial committee for many years, which I chaired for three years. Working for a French company for 7 years opened my eyes to their duplicity. I have not suffered personal hardship having been a successful manager who has moved from company to company, but I have witnessed 1000s of steel workers lose their jobs because UK governments follow the rules whereas other EU countries flaunt the rules, operate cartels, and engage in blatant corruption. I was working in a facility in Amsterdam last week, I was shocked at the standard of fire detection and suppression installed, or not installed, and we are supposed to be working to the same standards, similar to one in Milan as well, lack of basic H&S emergency exit signage for a start.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2019 8:11:29 GMT
Taking back control and these hard right swivel eyed loons and big Arlene the creationist hold the balance of power.
Makes you proud doesn't it
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:14:54 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:18:35 GMT
Was in the pub a few weeks back (in Brussels) and there were 3 Mancs there (effin and blindin). We started a conversation and they told me that they contracted from the UK to come to Brussels and build a new Quasar hall. It seems it was cheaper to bring them over here, put them up in a hotel and pay all their expenses than use local labour.
Hate it when these immigrants come over here stealing all the jobs.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 8:21:37 GMT
8 billion already squandered by Johnson on No Deal Brexit preparations. Now possibly billions more to the DUP! Can we remind this Government We have 14 million people living in poverty, millions destitute & using food banks & kids going hungry. It’s utter madness. But we must get Brexit done the people have said so.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 8:23:11 GMT
Taking back control and these hard right swivel eyed loons and big Arlene the creationist hold the balance of power. Makes you proud doesn't it It’d be a sight more depressing with Corbyn and his rich boy pal Seamus Milne sat in No.10 and McDonnell next door with the likes of McCluskey and Cash wandering in to set Government policy.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 16, 2019 8:23:43 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:26:42 GMT
8 billion already squandered by Johnson on No Deal Brexit preparations. Now possibly billions more to the DUP! Can we remind this Government We have 14 million people living in poverty, millions destitute & using food banks & kids going hungry. It’s utter madness. But we must get Brexit done the people have said so. "Those who are badly off must go there."...." "If they would rather die," then "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population!" Ebenezer Scrooge (1843)
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:33:45 GMT
Doesn't really matter how many people want what now.
We're going into a situation that is going to be a catastrophe for the UK economy, deal or no deal.
The main focus should be on how to mitigate that. Which will likely be by cutting down on investment and funding for the least privileged.
But Sajid did increase the budget for developing ethnic minority places of worship, which i guess is what people at the foodbank are most interested in.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 8:43:24 GMT
8 billion already squandered by Johnson on No Deal Brexit preparations. Now possibly billions more to the DUP! Can we remind this Government We have 14 million people living in poverty, millions destitute & using food banks & kids going hungry. It’s utter madness. But we must get Brexit done the people have said so. 14 million people in the UK are not living in poverty - least ways not the sort of poverty most folks believe that word to represent. That number comes from one of those theoretical, arbitrary relative poverty studies that, for political effect, choose values that generate a headline grabbing numbers that gullible fools like to grab hold off to show what a desperate place this country is. Of course, there are issues with real poverty and with addressing wealth disparity, but the numbers above are just silly.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 8:52:09 GMT
Doesn't really matter how many people want what now. We're going into a situation that is going to be a catastrophe for the UK economy, deal or no deal. The main focus should be on how to mitigate that. Which will likely be by cutting down on investment and funding for the least privileged. But Sajid did increase the budget for developing ethnic minority places of worship, which i guess is what people at the foodbank are most interested in. I think the word catastrophe is over used. It will be tough - probably. There will be some disruption but life will go on. Leastways, that is what the Tories will be hoping. If it’s a shambles, Labour will be delighted as it will give them a good shot in the upcoming GE.
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:53:52 GMT
8 billion already squandered by Johnson on No Deal Brexit preparations. Now possibly billions more to the DUP! Can we remind this Government We have 14 million people living in poverty, millions destitute & using food banks & kids going hungry. It’s utter madness. But we must get Brexit done the people have said so. 14 million people in the UK are not living in poverty - least ways not the sort of poverty most folks believe that word to represent. That number comes from one of those theoretical, arbitrary relative poverty studies that, for political effect, choose values that generate a headline grabbing numbers that gullible fools like to grab hold off to show what a desperate place this country is. Of course, there are issues with real poverty and with addressing wealth disparity, but the numbers above are just silly. I agree with you about poverty. That 14m figure probably includes anyone who doesn't have a playstation. People will be worse off after Brexit, but not to the levels of real poverty seen in other countries.
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:55:46 GMT
Doesn't really matter how many people want what now. We're going into a situation that is going to be a catastrophe for the UK economy, deal or no deal. The main focus should be on how to mitigate that. Which will likely be by cutting down on investment and funding for the least privileged. But Sajid did increase the budget for developing ethnic minority places of worship, which i guess is what people at the foodbank are most interested in. I think the word catastrophe is over used. It will be tough - probably. There will be some disruption but life will go on. Leastways, that is what the Tories will be hoping. If it’s a shambles, Labour will be delighted as it will give them a good shot in the upcoming GE. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have said catastrophe. That was a bit OTT. I should have gone with something more original, like the annihilation and obliteration of the UK economy and the return of the bubonic plague.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 16, 2019 9:03:36 GMT
My experiences include being a member of a European industrial committee for many years, which I chaired for three years. Working for a French company for 7 years opened my eyes to their duplicity. I have not suffered personal hardship having been a successful manager who has moved from company to company, but I have witnessed 1000s of steel workers lose their jobs because UK governments follow the rules whereas other EU countries flaunt the rules, operate cartels, and engage in blatant corruption. I was working in a facility in Amsterdam last week, I was shocked at the standard of fire detection and suppression installed, or not installed, and we are supposed to be working to the same standards, similar to one in Milan as well, lack of basic H&S emergency exit signage for a start. Well said Northy. I have gone on at length on previous posts about how other EU countries do not implement safe legislation the way we do. One of the worst examples I quoted was when I worked in the quarrying industry we were loaned a mobile crusher in lieu of one we were buying from France. A colleague viewed the crusher when it was working in France before it was sent to us and told the other company it would need guarding in the UK. The company agreed and when it arrived a contractor turned up to guard it to UK standards, but as soon as our electrical engineer saw it he condemned it and said it could not be used as it fell hopelessly short of UK Electrical Regulations standards. When the new one we were purchasing, which was built to UK standards, arrived, the loaned one went back to France on a low loader, having never turned a wheel to be used again in France. We have not talking different signage standards here, we are talking £100,000s of expense on plant and machinery that put's UK industry at a disadvantage to those countries including Germany where guarding can be almost none existent on some plants; all they do is put up a warning sign not to touch. A German engineer once recommended a piece of German equipment for us to purchase. Our works engineer agreed it was built to excellent standards but could not be used as it was not CE marked. The German engineer laughed at him saying that was just EU regulations that only the British follow.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2019 9:04:13 GMT
For those on here who like BIG sample sizes.
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 9:18:18 GMT
I was working in a facility in Amsterdam last week, I was shocked at the standard of fire detection and suppression installed, or not installed, and we are supposed to be working to the same standards, similar to one in Milan as well, lack of basic H&S emergency exit signage for a start. Well said Northy. I have gone on at length on previous posts about how other EU countries do not implement safe legislation the way we do. One of the worst examples I quoted was when I worked in the quarrying industry we were loaned a mobile crusher in lieu of one we were buying from France. A colleague viewed the crusher when it was working in France before it was sent to us and told the other company it would need guarding in the UK. The company agreed and when it arrived a contractor turned up to guard it to UK standards, but as soon as our electrical engineer saw it he condemned it and said it could not be used as it fell hopelessly short of UK Electrical Regulations standards. When the new one we were purchasing, which was built to UK standards, arrived, the loaned one went back to France on a low loader, having never turned a wheel to be used again in France. We have not talking different signage standards here, we are talking £100,000s of expense on plant and machinery that put's UK industry at a disadvantage to those countries including Germany where guarding can be almost none existent on some plants; all they do is put up a warning sign not to touch. A German engineer once recommended a piece of German equipment for us to purchase. Our works engineer agreed it was built to excellent standards but could not be used as it was not CE marked. The German engineer laughed at him saying that was just EU regulations that only the British follow. To be fair mate, anyone who has had to endure working with French people for 7+ years would want to get as far away from them as possible.... but no need to take it out on the rest of the EU. If I caught a company breaking H&S rules I'd report them, or/and take a photo and post it on social media. They would then have to do something about it. They could not continue to break the law.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 16, 2019 9:27:27 GMT
Doesn't really matter how many people want what now. We're going into a situation that is going to be a catastrophe for the UK economy, deal or no deal. The main focus should be on how to mitigate that. Which will likely be by cutting down on investment and funding for the least privileged. But Sajid did increase the budget for developing ethnic minority places of worship, which i guess is what people at the foodbank are most interested in. I think the word catastrophe is over used. It will be tough - probably. There will be some disruption but life will go on. Leastways, that is what the Tories will be hoping. If it’s a shambles, Labour will be delighted as it will give them a good shot in the upcoming GE. It would have to be more than a shambles to give labour a good shot
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