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Post by 4372 on Oct 14, 2019 21:33:19 GMT
Interesting outcome. Argument on both sides if you include the Scotland angle. It shows the EU will not support anyone going independent and the power of states remaining together seems a priority. If this is the case where could that leave Scotland who seem to be gearing up for another referendum. I note they voted against the plan B option. Continued interesting times ahead. news.sky.com/story/catalan-leader-jailed-for-13-years-over-independence-referendum-11835480Ultimately this may lead to the break up of the EU more than Brexit. Project Fear
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 14, 2019 21:59:39 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... I wonder if a politician knows what a double shift is?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 14, 2019 22:40:25 GMT
Interesting outcome. Argument on both sides if you include the Scotland angle. It shows the EU will not support anyone going independent and the power of states remaining together seems a priority. If this is the case where could that leave Scotland who seem to be gearing up for another referendum. I note they voted against the plan B option. Continued interesting times ahead. news.sky.com/story/catalan-leader-jailed-for-13-years-over-independence-referendum-11835480Absolutely scandalous. Comparable to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, the imprisonment of Henry Hunt*, and the long fight for universal suffrage. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hunt_(politician)The Spanish law may make the Catalan referendum illegal, but that is just another example of the establishment protecting their position and government being out of touch with the will of the people. Francoism is not yet totally dead. History shows that autocratic government eventually collapses but until it does those that fight against oppression and for freedom and democracy have to suffer. The reason the EU is so prepared to damage the UK to punish it for leaving, as they know that cracks in their ideology will widen, leading to its eventual demise like all empires and highly centralized federal states like the Soviet Union. I used to believe that a European economic union was a good idea, but experience has taught me that freedom and sovereignty is more important than standard of living. I admire the Scots for sticking out for their independence, just as all the nations of the former British empire have established their independence, and I believe that all people's like Kurds, Palestinians, and Jews are entitled to self government, which I accept can be extremely difficult to achieve when two nations claim the same piece of land/territory. The Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and Sark are independent and not members of the EU, but enjoy free trade with the EU. England should be the same. What Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland want to do should be for them to decide, but speaking as an Englishman, I just don't want to be paying for it, like we do with the EU.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 14, 2019 23:19:46 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... well who controls the times! the government! and the leader of the house! one Jacob reace mogg a man left back in the 18yh century (or lord snooty to his mates)!! yet another attempt by Johnson to stop scrutiny of him ! yes you can scrutinise me but only for a short time!!
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 15, 2019 4:46:27 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... well who controls the times! the government! and the leader of the house! one Jacob reace mogg a man left back in the 18yh century (or lord snooty to his mates)!! yet another attempt by Johnson to stop scrutiny of him ! yes you can scrutinise me but only for a short time!! There's no point scrutinising anything is there when labour will reject every deal put before them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 6:02:28 GMT
well who controls the times! the government! and the leader of the house! one Jacob reace mogg a man left back in the 18yh century (or lord snooty to his mates)!! yet another attempt by Johnson to stop scrutiny of him ! yes you can scrutinise me but only for a short time!! There's no point scrutinising anything is there when labour will reject every deal put before them As well as a load of the governments own MP’s of course......
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2019 6:16:12 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... I wonder if a politician knows what a double shift is? I suspect the folk working at the various bars in Westminster will be able to confirm politicians know full well what a double shift is.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 15, 2019 6:49:00 GMT
There's no point scrutinising anything is there when labour will reject every deal put before them As well as a load of the governments own MP’s of course...... I wouldn’t bet on that this time
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2019 6:51:48 GMT
well who controls the times! the government! and the leader of the house! one Jacob reace mogg a man left back in the 18yh century (or lord snooty to his mates)!! yet another attempt by Johnson to stop scrutiny of him ! yes you can scrutinise me but only for a short time!! There's no point scrutinising anything is there when labour will reject every deal put before them True Starmer even rejected his own deal when May gave in to him.... I am worried though with only 5 hours how can Jess Phillips make it all about herself ?
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 15, 2019 7:04:26 GMT
There's no point scrutinising anything is there when labour will reject every deal put before them As well as a load of the governments own MP’s of course...... I have to say Prestwich, that your avatar sums this thread up and the Brexit situation up perfectly !!!!
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Post by potteringermany on Oct 15, 2019 7:33:37 GMT
As well as a load of the governments own MP’s of course...... I have to say Prestwich, that your avatar sums this thread up and the Brexit situation up perfectly !!!! Hi Dutch, I don't know where you live, but I saw a program not long ago about the Amsterdam house prices rising as a result of Brexit. Are you hearing this?
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 8:25:58 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... well who controls the times! the government! and the leader of the house! one Jacob reace mogg a man left back in the 18yh century (or lord snooty to his mates)!! yet another attempt by Johnson to stop scrutiny of him ! yes you can scrutinise me but only for a short time!! Fookin ell, he wouldn't have had to call a meeting on Saturday (first time since the Falklands war) if the useless bastards in the HoP had done the job over the last 3 years the electorate voted for. Blair never even called for a Saturday sitting for the Iraq war so he couldn't be scrutinised. What about Friday, are they sitting then as well, as they don't normally sit on Friday's either. If the Labour party weren't so chicken we could be heading for a GE now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:28:33 GMT
As well as a load of the governments own MP’s of course...... I have to say Prestwich, that your avatar sums this thread up and the Brexit situation up perfectly !!!! We'll get to 2,000 pages on this thread mate, no doubt about that. It's bloody depressing is what it is.......
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Post by foster on Oct 15, 2019 9:43:26 GMT
Interesting outcome. Argument on both sides if you include the Scotland angle. It shows the EU will not support anyone going independent and the power of states remaining together seems a priority. If this is the case where could that leave Scotland who seem to be gearing up for another referendum. I note they voted against the plan B option. Continued interesting times ahead. news.sky.com/story/catalan-leader-jailed-for-13-years-over-independence-referendum-11835480Absolutely scandalous. Comparable to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, the imprisonment of Henry Hunt*, and the long fight for universal suffrage. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hunt_(politician)The Spanish law may make the Catalan referendum illegal, but that is just another example of the establishment protecting their position and government being out of touch with the will of the people. Francoism is not yet totally dead. History shows that autocratic government eventually collapses but until it does those that fight against oppression and for freedom and democracy have to suffer. The reason the EU is so prepared to damage the UK to punish it for leaving, as they know that cracks in their ideology will widen, leading to its eventual demise like all empires and highly centralized federal states like the Soviet Union. I used to believe that a European economic union was a good idea, but experience has taught me that freedom and sovereignty is more important than standard of living. I admire the Scots for sticking out for their independence, just as all the nations of the former British empire have established their independence, and I believe that all people's like Kurds, Palestinians, and Jews are entitled to self government, which I accept can be extremely difficult to achieve when two nations claim the same piece of land/territory. The Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and Sark are independent and not members of the EU, but enjoy free trade with the EU. England should be the same. What Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland want to do should be for them to decide, but speaking as an Englishman, I just don't want to be paying for it, like we do with the EU. Ok Braveheart, What experience are you talking about exactly? and what hardship has the EU inflicted on you?
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 15, 2019 10:20:13 GMT
I have to say Prestwich, that your avatar sums this thread up and the Brexit situation up perfectly !!!! Hi Dutch, I don't know where you live, but I saw a program not long ago about the Amsterdam house prices rising as a result of Brexit. Are you hearing this? Absloutely…….mental prices for what only can be described as a shoebox….. Id put some links up on here but I dont know how to…..
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Post by foster on Oct 15, 2019 10:31:54 GMT
Hi Dutch, I don't know where you live, but I saw a program not long ago about the Amsterdam house prices rising as a result of Brexit. Are you hearing this? Absloutely…….mental prices for what only can be described as a shoebox….. Id put some links up on here but I dont know how to….. It's probably a good time to invest in property in the UK.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 15, 2019 12:01:02 GMT
Hi Dutch, I don't know where you live, but I saw a program not long ago about the Amsterdam house prices rising as a result of Brexit. Are you hearing this? Absloutely…….mental prices for what only can be described as a shoebox….. Id put some links up on here but I dont know how to….. considering that climate change could make them aqua homes soon and worthless !!
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 15, 2019 12:02:10 GMT
Absloutely…….mental prices for what only can be described as a shoebox….. Id put some links up on here but I dont know how to….. It's probably a good time to invest in property in the UK. no as a crash will happen soon
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 15, 2019 12:15:10 GMT
And Johnson says his language has no effect Hate crimes recorded by police up 10% link
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Post by Kilo on Oct 15, 2019 12:49:07 GMT
It's amusing to watch MP's trying to shame the head of Thomas Cook into paying his bonus back. I don't remember any of the bastards proposing a similar move over their handling of Brexit or their expenses.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 15, 2019 13:38:54 GMT
Absloutely…….mental prices for what only can be described as a shoebox….. Id put some links up on here but I dont know how to….. considering that climate change could make them aqua homes soon and worthless !! Ive just sussed out how to do links..... The 'aqua homes ' you say....? Way ahead of you there son…. THeyve been developing them for years….. submersible homes www.waterstudio.nl/Theyre nearly there with a full blown estate of them...from what Ive been reading up on them they do expect tides to change dramatically so are planning for this already. Anyone ever see that episode of The Young Ones - 'Flood'where they looked out of the window and saw a shark….. Coming to a living room window near you soon !!
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 13:46:55 GMT
And Johnson says his language has no effect Hate crimes recorded by police up 10% linkown goal again matey, this is for 2018-19 before Boris became leader The Home Office said the increase in hate crime over the past five years is thought to have been driven by improvements in recording by police and a growing awareness of hate crime. It said the large percentage increases for transgender, disability and sexual orientation hate crimes were "partly due to the smaller number of these crimes", while more people may also be coming forward to report them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 15, 2019 14:16:41 GMT
BEST. GOALIE. EVER
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Post by thevoid on Oct 15, 2019 14:29:24 GMT
And Johnson says his language has no effect Hate crimes recorded by police up 10% linkown goal again matey, this is for 2018-19 before Boris became leader The Home Office said the increase in hate crime over the past five years is thought to have been driven by improvements in recording by police and a growing awareness of hate crime. It said the large percentage increases for transgender, disability and sexual orientation hate crimes were "partly due to the smaller number of these crimes", while more people may also be coming forward to report them.Of course, it doesn't help when some hate crimes are catalogued as being down to mental illness. What were the Arndale stabbings, love crimes?
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 15, 2019 14:45:14 GMT
And Johnson says his language has no effect Hate crimes recorded by police up 10% linkown goal again matey, this is for 2018-19 before Boris became leader The Home Office said the increase in hate crime over the past five years is thought to have been driven by improvements in recording by police and a growing awareness of hate crime. It said the large percentage increases for transgender, disability and sexual orientation hate crimes were "partly due to the smaller number of these crimes", while more people may also be coming forward to report them.🤣
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 15:15:17 GMT
own goal again matey, this is for 2018-19 before Boris became leader The Home Office said the increase in hate crime over the past five years is thought to have been driven by improvements in recording by police and a growing awareness of hate crime. It said the large percentage increases for transgender, disability and sexual orientation hate crimes were "partly due to the smaller number of these crimes", while more people may also be coming forward to report them.Of course, it doesn't help when some hate crimes are catalogued as being down to mental illness. What were the Arndale stabbings, love crimes? Cultural enrichment a bad day at the office
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 15:31:51 GMT
BEST. GOALIE. EVER Drink driving, wife cheating former England keeper in being a fan of Boris Johnson shocker.....
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 15:32:51 GMT
So the commons is sitting 9 30am-14 30pm saturday going all out there to get things done arent they..... It needs to be staged by the TV companies, they need to leave the HoP and show the crying losers march in the background, before they all head back home in the George Sorros funded transport A bit like this staging
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 15, 2019 16:07:32 GMT
It needs to be staged by the TV companies, they need to leave the HoP and show the crying losers march in the background, before they all head back home in the George Sorros funded transport A bit like this staging Apparently not true: www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-muslim-protests-london/
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Post by Northy on Oct 15, 2019 16:17:28 GMT
I was pertaining to the staging, not the story behind it.
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