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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 14, 2019 13:30:24 GMT
Knowingly trying to insist on terms and conditions that parliament have repeatedly rejected It's hard to see whst they could offer - there doesn't appear to be a clear majority in parliament for anything. I think the sequencing of the negotiations meaning the withdrawal agreement had to be agreed prior to a trade agreement has been problematic. Simultaneous negotiation on these matters would have provided clarity on what if any additional measures were needed at the borders meaning an overall agreement would have passed parliament and, of course, the EU themselves. Of course, the EU (the institution but not necessarily the members) don’t have a lot of interest in making it easy for a member to leave so I understand their strategy.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2019 18:24:31 GMT
Vote LibDem to resolve Brexit once and for all - without even the need for another referendum ( link). You can’t criticise her for holding back.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 18:52:40 GMT
Vote LibDem to resolve Brexit once and for all - without even the need for another referendum ( link). You can’t criticise her for holding back. I wish she would stop holding her hands out front of her tits , its as if she's saying what about these beauties 🙌
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2019 19:01:22 GMT
Vote LibDem to resolve Brexit once and for all - without even the need for another referendum ( link). You can’t criticise her for holding back. I wish she would stop holding her hands out front of her tits , its as if she's saying what about these beauties 🙌
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 14, 2019 19:05:52 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 14, 2019 19:20:13 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems. No great loss. Maybe Tom Watson will join him? Loads of MPs are in the wrong parties. Arkle is another one.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:21:23 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems. I wonder how many duplicitous Tory and Labour MPs there are who stood at the last general election with a party manifesto promise to deliver Brexit who had absolutely no intention of delivering on the party policy. After sleeze and the expenses scandal is there any depth some of our politicians will not sink to?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 14, 2019 19:23:48 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems. No great loss. Maybe Tom Watson will join him? Loads of MPs are in the wrong parties. Arkle is another one. A third of the Lib Dems MP's are now made up of defectors from other parties.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 14, 2019 19:32:08 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems. I wonder how many duplicitous Tory and Labour MPs there are who stood at the last general election with a party manifesto promise to deliver Brexit who had absolutely no intention of delivering on the party policy. After sleeze and the expenses scandal is there any depth some of our politicians will not sink to? Bear in mind that the Tories might have had a decent majority if Labour had taken their current stance before the last election. And they call Johnson a liar!
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 23:57:26 GMT
Breath taking arrogance
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 15, 2019 1:20:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 13:43:58 GMT
It's hard to get mad at the Liberal Democrats. I don't take them seriously enough.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 15, 2019 14:03:44 GMT
Can't be right partick change is coming according to our resident far lefties momo and joey
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2019 14:34:47 GMT
I didn't quite go far enough when describing " Ever Closer Union" leading to a country, the United States of Europe. Should be an Empire. No room for individual nation States.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 15, 2019 14:37:53 GMT
People will continue to vote while they're still pissed off about this total fucking mess, then when the dust has settled, most won't even be arsed to walk to a polling station anymore.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 15, 2019 17:29:14 GMT
So the Lib Dem’s have finally shown their true colours - Leave and a big FU to the folk that voted for Brexit.
But it does mean the choices are now very clear in the upcoming Brexit election - because that is what it is:
LibDem = in Tory = out Labour = shake it all about
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 15, 2019 17:44:46 GMT
So the Lib Dem’s have finally shown their true colours - Leave and a big FU to the folk that voted for Brexit. But it does mean the choices are now very clear in the upcoming Brexit election - because that is what it is: LibDem = in Tory = out Labour = shake it all about That's about the size of it. The Lib Dems ought to drop the "Dems" bit because there's nothing democratic about their stance on Brexit. It's just a cynical ruse to attract the Remainer vote.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 15, 2019 17:48:38 GMT
Stolen but true
Lib Dems also promise to end world poverty, cure cancer and stop being vacuous pricks.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2019 18:17:48 GMT
Sam Gyimah joins the Lib Dems. Another un principled pointless arsehole trying to secure a job for another five years
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Post by Davef on Sept 15, 2019 18:37:11 GMT
Stolen but true Lib Dems also promise to end world poverty, cure cancer and stop being vacuous pricks. They've got no chance of pulling that last item off.
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Post by henry on Sept 15, 2019 19:03:22 GMT
I didn't quite go far enough when describing " Ever Closer Union" leading to a country, the United States of Europe. Should be an Empire. No room for individual nation States. Scary man.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2019 19:20:27 GMT
I didn't quite go far enough when describing " Ever Closer Union" leading to a country, the United States of Europe. Should be an Empire. No room for individual nation States. Scary man. The problem for me Henry, he is just one man with this vision of a United Europe, a vision shared by a few others. Fair enough, I can understand that. These are the people in control of and driving the project. BUT .. there is no concept of actually listening to people, the citizens. Its a top down imposed model that disregards national diversity and cultural enrichment. No real representation and democracy. One size does not fit all. What might be good for northern European countries may not be so for the south. Equally the issues of Eastern Europe are different from those of an island off the Western mainland. Some will be beneficiaries others not. Pragmatically in a German and French led EU I don't think that the issues of the UK will be a priority.( I absolutely love Europe, particularly Germans and Italians but I do believe that some of the current EU leaders see us as both a soft touch and an " odd" country that has been successful but now in the new world order needs to be brought to heel) And long term the poorer and disenfranchised will suffer most. The EU leaders have been reliant on most person's disinterest in politics and our excited, disconnected, theoretical,self important politicians have let us down badly. The Labour party was born out of real concerns of ordinary working people....now totally disenfranchised.
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Post by hammered on Sept 15, 2019 22:11:58 GMT
I’m posting this from Cyprus a country I first visited 30 years ago now much changed and suffering the E.U. jackboot as the indigenous Cypriot culture is disassembled to meet E.U. objectives to destroy the nation state.
George my cab driver this morning explained there is a majority here that want out. Open borders has created a sub culture of business regulation, foreign nationals bring crime, driving down wages and a financial burden they didn’t have previously. (Familiar)
As for the shits in the UK joke of a parliament that supposedly have our best interests in mind - I think the next few weeks will see a seismic upping of the MSM propaganda (yellowhammer was just the starter) and we're only a sound bite away from Hong Kong type street demos if Boris doesn’t deliver.
Why don’t our media report that a NI Judge deemed a no deal Brexit didn’t breach any terms of good Friday agreement while they wanked senseless over the Jock judge?
Corrupt, corrupt and on the gravy - a bit like the climate change mob imo.
As for what happens next - we need a complete draining of the political swamp and a GE cannot come soon enough but the cunts haven’t the bottle to face the electorate.
I don’t trust Boris, Corbyn’s a duplicitous cretin and Swanson a myopic chancer seizing the momentum of MSM bull. So where do we go from here?
I also see a few bring up the Lisbon treaty and dismissing - fools.
BUT - if anyone thinks this shit is just happening in the U.K. - political unrest, the teetering E.U. economy, Deuche bank debt to Med countries that will NEVER REPAY and you still want to be part of it - well George the cabby thought 17.4m got it right.
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2019 9:17:08 GMT
I’m posting this from Cyprus a country I first visited 30 years ago now much changed and suffering the E.U. jackboot as the indigenous Cypriot culture is disassembled to meet E.U. objectives to destroy the nation state. George my cab driver this morning explained there is a majority here that want out. Open borders has created a sub culture of business regulation, foreign nationals bring crime, driving down wages and a financial burden they didn’t have previously. (Familiar) As for the shits in the UK joke of a parliament that supposedly have our best interests in mind - I think the next few weeks will see a seismic upping of the MSM propaganda (yellowhammer was just the starter) and we're only a sound bite away from Hong Kong type street demos if Boris doesn’t deliver. Why don’t our media report that a NI Judge deemed a no deal Brexit didn’t breach any terms of good Friday agreement while they wanked senseless over the Jock judge? Corrupt, corrupt and on the gravy - a bit like the climate change mob imo. As for what happens next - we need a complete draining of the political swamp and a GE cannot come soon enough but the cunts haven’t the bottle to face the electorate. I don’t trust Boris, Corbyn’s a duplicitous cretin and Swanson a myopic chancer seizing the momentum of MSM bull. So where do we go from here? I also see a few bring up the Lisbon treaty and dismissing - fools. BUT - if anyone thinks this shit is just happening in the U.K. - political unrest, the teetering E.U. economy, Deuche bank debt to Med countries that will NEVER REPAY and you still want to be part of it - well George the cabby thought 17.4m got it right. Perhaps you could direct us fools to the parts of the Lisbon Treaty that forces nations to become part of a federal state by 2022, that forces us to be part of the single currency or Schengen area and that states we will lose control over our armed forces or territories like the Falkland Islands (amongst the other claptrap listed)...
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 16, 2019 9:28:41 GMT
I’m posting this from Cyprus a country I first visited 30 years ago now much changed and suffering the E.U. jackboot as the indigenous Cypriot culture is disassembled to meet E.U. objectives to destroy the nation state. George my cab driver this morning explained there is a majority here that want out. Open borders has created a sub culture of business regulation, foreign nationals bring crime, driving down wages and a financial burden they didn’t have previously. (Familiar) As for the shits in the UK joke of a parliament that supposedly have our best interests in mind - I think the next few weeks will see a seismic upping of the MSM propaganda (yellowhammer was just the starter) and we're only a sound bite away from Hong Kong type street demos if Boris doesn’t deliver. Why don’t our media report that a NI Judge deemed a no deal Brexit didn’t breach any terms of good Friday agreement while they wanked senseless over the Jock judge? Corrupt, corrupt and on the gravy - a bit like the climate change mob imo. As for what happens next - we need a complete draining of the political swamp and a GE cannot come soon enough but the cunts haven’t the bottle to face the electorate. I don’t trust Boris, Corbyn’s a duplicitous cretin and Swanson a myopic chancer seizing the momentum of MSM bull. So where do we go from here? I also see a few bring up the Lisbon treaty and dismissing - fools. BUT - if anyone thinks this shit is just happening in the U.K. - political unrest, the teetering E.U. economy, Deuche bank debt to Med countries that will NEVER REPAY and you still want to be part of it - well George the cabby thought 17.4m got it right. 'Corrupt..and on the gravy like the climate change mob' What's your Political Agenda?
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Post by foster on Sept 16, 2019 10:30:26 GMT
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Post by serpico on Sept 16, 2019 10:37:01 GMT
Was expecting that to be far worse than it actually was, doesn’t seem drunk to me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2019 15:49:46 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 16, 2019 16:00:54 GMT
Good for him. The following from the BBC Brussels correspondent explains why ( link): “As soon as we arrived at the office of the prime minister of Luxembourg it became obvious a planned outdoor news conference could not go ahead. The anti-Brexit protesters in the square numbered less than a hundred but their music and megaphones made it sound like a lot more and they occasionally used language you wouldn't want to hear on the news. Behind the scenes the British and Luxembourgish delegations grappled with a diplomatic dilemma - move the event inside but exclude the majority of the journalists? Gamble that the demonstrators could pipe down for a bit? Silence the host to save the guest's blushes? The end result saw Mr Johnson do a short interview at the ambassador's residence to be shared with everyone while Mr Bettel took to the stage next to an empty podium.” So what we have is some showboating politics from an EU politician looking to score points over the prime minister of the UK. Shame on Mr Bettel. Good for Mr Johnson.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2019 16:06:45 GMT
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