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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 13, 2019 16:19:01 GMT
I’m massively in favour of Brexit and there are plenty of factual reasons to leave. Though none of the above is true. number 1 is true for a start, I was watching a video of guy verhofstadt only this morning explaining it, and how they will push issues onto countries that don't want them like immigration. It will be interesting if they vote to stop the massive costly and environmentally bad monthly move to Strasborg if France objects. I stand corrected Northy. I’m all for leaving the EU, but a lot of what’s being said on both sides of the argument is horseshit.
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Post by Davef on Sept 13, 2019 16:47:13 GMT
number 1 is true for a start, I was watching a video of guy verhofstadt only this morning explaining it, and how they will push issues onto countries that don't want them like immigration. It will be interesting if they vote to stop the massive costly and environmentally bad monthly move to Strasborg if France objects. I stand corrected Northy. I’m all for leaving the EU, but a lot of what’s being said on both sides of the argument is horseshit. I'd delve a little deeper into this and not just take the word of somebody who's watched a video of Guy Verhofstadt. For starters, there's no such thing as an "abstention veto".
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2019 17:27:19 GMT
I'd like to know how much we've benefitted from being in the EU since then. For example...trade and tariffs difference between EU terms and WTO terms. Free trade, freedom of movement, etc. So easy just to keep pushing out the basic numbers without considering what you get in return.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 13, 2019 18:51:31 GMT
From a guy who has spent many pages opining on the yellowhammer document thats a hiliarious lack of self awareness The two aren't even comparable. Yellowhammer is real and this one obviously isn't. Anyone with 2 braincells can tell this list is a load of bollocks. It doesn't even need dissecting or disproving. ..and I never called anyone 'thick'. I said that anyone who believes that utter nonsense is thick. If anyone takes offence to that then they've likely believed this guff. Edit: Funny how you never replied to either Serpico or Partick who are of a similar opinion. Thats the yellowhammer that IDS said today where the experts who produced it never even spoke to their counterparts in France to see what they were planning to do, it might be real but its just as inaccurate. My point was you can spot the list is bollocks but lap up yellowhammer as fact yet call people thick for believing the facebook stuff...... I didnt comment on any other posts as I have been busy and I got to point 4 about 200k jobs going to frankfurt and read no further as it was clearly bollocks.
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2019 21:46:14 GMT
The two aren't even comparable. Yellowhammer is real and this one obviously isn't. Anyone with 2 braincells can tell this list is a load of bollocks. It doesn't even need dissecting or disproving. ..and I never called anyone 'thick'. I said that anyone who believes that utter nonsense is thick. If anyone takes offence to that then they've likely believed this guff. Edit: Funny how you never replied to either Serpico or Partick who are of a similar opinion. Thats the yellowhammer that IDS said today where the experts who produced it never even spoke to their counterparts in France to see what they were planning to do, it might be real but its just as inaccurate. My point was you can spot the list is bollocks but lap up yellowhammer as fact yet call people thick for believing the facebook stuff...... I didnt comment on any other posts as I have been busy and I got to point 4 about 200k jobs going to frankfurt and read no further as it was clearly bollocks. Well yeah. Yellowhammer is real and the Facebook one is fake and clearly bollocks. Great point. Edit: and again. You never replied to any leavers who had the same opinion. Wonder why. Agenda maybe.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 13, 2019 21:52:39 GMT
Thats the yellowhammer that IDS said today where the experts who produced it never even spoke to their counterparts in France to see what they were planning to do, it might be real but its just as inaccurate. My point was you can spot the list is bollocks but lap up yellowhammer as fact yet call people thick for believing the facebook stuff...... I didnt comment on any other posts as I have been busy and I got to point 4 about 200k jobs going to frankfurt and read no further as it was clearly bollocks. Well yeah. Yellowhammer is real and the Facebook one is fake and clearly bollocks. Great point. Edit: and again. You never replied to any leavers who had the same opinion. Wonder why. Agenda maybe. Key difference, You were calling people thick for believing something was true that wasnt yet without any critical assesment you accept yellowhammer at face value.....
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2019 21:57:11 GMT
Well yeah. Yellowhammer is real and the Facebook one is fake and clearly bollocks. Great point. Edit: and again. You never replied to any leavers who had the same opinion. Wonder why. Agenda maybe. Key difference, You were calling people thick for believing something was true that wasnt yet without any critical assesment you accept yellowhammer at face value..... Mate, if you're too thick to spot the difference between yellowhammer and a Facebook post then that's your problem. I can't be arsed wasting my time debating it with you. Now go pester someone else if you have nothing better to do with your time.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 13, 2019 22:05:00 GMT
Key difference, You were calling people thick for believing something was true that wasnt yet without any critical assesment you accept yellowhammer at face value..... Mate, if you're too thick to spot the difference between yellowhammer and a Facebook post then that's your problem. I can't be arsed wasting my time debating it with you. Now go pester someone else if you have nothing better to do with your time. OYF then
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 13, 2019 22:18:17 GMT
Key difference, You were calling people thick for believing something was true that wasnt yet without any critical assesment you accept yellowhammer at face value..... Mate, if you're too thick to spot the difference between yellowhammer and a Facebook post then that's your problem. I can't be arsed wasting my time debating it with you. Now go pester someone else if you have nothing better to do with your time. Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report.
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2019 22:20:21 GMT
Mate, if you're too thick to spot the difference between yellowhammer and a Facebook post then that's your problem. I can't be arsed wasting my time debating it with you. Now go pester someone else if you have nothing better to do with your time. Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report. At no point have I said yellowhammer is 100% accurate.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 13, 2019 22:27:27 GMT
Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report. At no point have I said yellowhammer is 100% accurate. But you have said that yellowhammer is real, what do you mean by real?
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2019 22:43:33 GMT
At no point have I said yellowhammer is 100% accurate. But you have said that yellowhammer is real, what do you mean by real? So you're saying that when something is real it means it's accurate?.. Ok
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2019 6:34:30 GMT
Mate, if you're too thick to spot the difference between yellowhammer and a Facebook post then that's your problem. I can't be arsed wasting my time debating it with you. Now go pester someone else if you have nothing better to do with your time. Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report. Yellowhammer is not really subjective, it is a scenario document specifically a “likely worst case scenario”. In other words what is in it unlikely to happen (because life doesn’t always do worst case) but suitable preparation can mitigate against the dangers identified in the scenarios. What is dangerous about the document is people deciding to portray it as something that will happen. This weaponising of a planning document for political purposes is why it shouldn’t have been released. Not that the Government can’t be trusted, but because their opponents can’t be trusted to treat information responsibly.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 14, 2019 6:48:31 GMT
Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report. Yellowhammer is not really subjective, it is a scenario document specifically a “likely worst case scenario”. In other words what is in it unlikely to happen (because life doesn’t always do worst case) but suitable preparation can mitigate against the dangers identified in the scenarios. What is dangerous about the document is people deciding to portray it as something that will happen. This weaponising of a planning document for political purposes is why it shouldn’t have been released. Not that the Government can’t be trusted, but because their opponents can’t be trusted to treat information responsibly. Are there any odds on Yellowhammer, that I might gauge it’s probability. Say 3-1, 2-1, Evens...
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 6:52:18 GMT
Yellowhammer is not really subjective, it is a scenario document specifically a “likely worst case scenario”. In other words what is in it unlikely to happen (because life doesn’t always do worst case) but suitable preparation can mitigate against the dangers identified in the scenarios. What is dangerous about the document is people deciding to portray it as something that will happen. This weaponising of a planning document for political purposes is why it shouldn’t have been released. Not that the Government can’t be trusted, but because their opponents can’t be trusted to treat information responsibly. Are there any odds on Yellowhammer, that I might gauge it’s probability. Say 3-1, 2-1, Evens... It's a bit like buying a coffee machine , you have 6 pages of safety advice and disclaimers warning of possible fatal consequences
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 14, 2019 6:52:53 GMT
Yellowhammer is subjective, if you are a remainer you hang on every word of the report. Yellowhammer is not really subjective, it is a scenario document specifically a “likely worst case scenario”. In other words what is in it unlikely to happen (because life doesn’t always do worst case) but suitable preparation can mitigate against the dangers identified in the scenarios. What is dangerous about the document is people deciding to portray it as something that will happen. This weaponising of a planning document for political purposes is why it shouldn’t have been released. Not that the Government can’t be trusted, but because their opponents can’t be trusted to treat information responsibly. I have always thought that sensible planning is to address the worst case scenario first. It’s not rocket science. Failure of government is to not have plans to address the issues identified in Yellowhammer. These guys are grown ups & their political lives & their country’s welfare depends on their decisions. Plans should have been in place a long time ago. Once worst case is covered, the only way is up.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2019 6:56:48 GMT
Yellowhammer is not really subjective, it is a scenario document specifically a “likely worst case scenario”. In other words what is in it unlikely to happen (because life doesn’t always do worst case) but suitable preparation can mitigate against the dangers identified in the scenarios. What is dangerous about the document is people deciding to portray it as something that will happen. This weaponising of a planning document for political purposes is why it shouldn’t have been released. Not that the Government can’t be trusted, but because their opponents can’t be trusted to treat information responsibly. Are there any odds on Yellowhammer, that I might gauge it’s probability. Say 3-1, 2-1, Evens... 1,000 - 1? Who knows. I suspect Remainers would think the odds are short, while Brexiteers would think they are either long or not give a fuck.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 14, 2019 6:58:36 GMT
Are there any odds on Yellowhammer, that I might gauge it’s probability. Say 3-1, 2-1, Evens... It's a bit like buying a coffee machine , you have 6 pages of safety advice and disclaimers warning of possible fatal consequences Oh this is brilliant. It reminds me of Medicants third person monologue on sparring with his wife! Tell us about your coffee machine Harry... ☕️
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 7:07:52 GMT
It's a bit like buying a coffee machine , you have 6 pages of safety advice and disclaimers warning of possible fatal consequences Oh this is brilliant. It reminds me of Medicants third person monologue on sparring with his wife! Tell us about your coffee machine Harry... ☕️ Nespresso mate ,using it as we speak 😉
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 14, 2019 7:09:46 GMT
I see from this mornings newspapers that Utter charlatan girly swot Cameron has got the fucking audacity to slag off Boris Johnson for the mess that he created.
What a hypocritical twat.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 14, 2019 7:11:01 GMT
It's a bit like buying a coffee machine , you have 6 pages of safety advice and disclaimers warning of possible fatal consequences Oh this is brilliant. It reminds me of Medicants third person monologue on sparring with his wife! Tell us about your coffee machine Harry... ☕️ The advertising for drugs is great in North America. It takes a minute to tell you the benefits then 3 minutes to tell you the potential side effects even though they speak really quickly. Do you think the average person with chronic arthritis gives a fuck about the last 3 minutes of a Humira advert?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 7:33:31 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2019 7:39:23 GMT
Who knows? Does it matter? My view is that fears of an upcoming apocalypse are somewhat overstated.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 7:51:12 GMT
Who knows? Does it matter? My view is that fears of an upcoming apocalypse are somewhat overstated. All those photographs of supermarket apples that largely come from as far afield as chile or south Arica
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 8:20:21 GMT
Who knows? Does it matter? My view is that fears of an upcoming apocalypse are somewhat overstated. Well if the government have changed the title of the report, so it fundamentally alters what it means, then it would suggest that THEY think that it matters. However, I of course, fully accept, that even if Steve Baker and Andrew Bridgen came out and said that they had had a damasican change of heart and that they, themselves, now believed that a no deal brexit would be bad for the country, then even then, a lot of Brexiteers wouldn't give two shits about their claims either.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 8:28:04 GMT
Who knows? Does it matter? My view is that fears of an upcoming apocalypse are somewhat overstated. Well if the government have changed the title of the report, so it fundamentally alters what it means, then it would suggest that THEY think that it matters. However, I of course, fully accept, that even if Steve Baker and Andrew Bridgen came out and said that they had had a damasican change of heart and that they, themselves, now believed that a no deal brexit would be bad for the country, then even then, a lot of Brexiteers wouldn't give two shits about their claims either. A no deal outcome is being forced upon the country by the MPs , the Lords , the judiciary and the EU . Of course it's not the ideal outcome but at the moment it's the clearest path there is to leave
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2019 10:52:02 GMT
Well if the government have changed the title of the report, so it fundamentally alters what it means, then it would suggest that THEY think that it matters. However, I of course, fully accept, that even if Steve Baker and Andrew Bridgen came out and said that they had had a damasican change of heart and that they, themselves, now believed that a no deal brexit would be bad for the country, then even then, a lot of Brexiteers wouldn't give two shits about their claims either. A no deal outcome is being forced upon the country by the MPs , the Lords , the judiciary and the EU . Of course it's not the ideal outcome but at the moment it's the clearest path there is to leave How are the EU forcing a no deal on us? They negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the U.K. government which Parliament rejected.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 11:42:09 GMT
A no deal outcome is being forced upon the country by the MPs , the Lords , the judiciary and the EU . Of course it's not the ideal outcome but at the moment it's the clearest path there is to leave How are the EU forcing a no deal on us? They negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the U.K. government which Parliament rejected. Knowingly trying to insist on terms and conditions that parliament have repeatedly rejected
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 14, 2019 12:58:06 GMT
How are the EU forcing a no deal on us? They negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the U.K. government which Parliament rejected. Knowingly trying to insist on terms and conditions that parliament have repeatedly rejected It's hard to see whst they could offer - there doesn't appear to be a clear majority in parliament for anything.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 14, 2019 13:20:24 GMT
Who knows? Does it matter? My view is that fears of an upcoming apocalypse are somewhat overstated. You shouldn't joke about these things do you not remember how many people died as a result of operation stack being in place for nearly 2 weeks in 2015 and all the shortages of food and medicine.....
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