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Post by crownmeking on May 12, 2017 8:19:55 GMT
I can't help but wonder if some supporters are just talking themselves into a completely negative mindset on their own accord. No one is denying that Hughes has made mistakes over the last twelve months but as a fan base we are hardly in open revolt. I would argue there's a minority who want him sacked and the vast majority are in between. But literally every single day there is a 'Hughes out" thread with a different title and the same posters keep throwing out the same negative themes. I mean this thread (all six pages) is based on someone's "sneaky feeling". Jesus, come on guys have a look at yourselves! There are issues to be resolved over the summer but you would think judging by some posters that this was the Leyton Orient or Coventry City message board! My sneaky feeling is, the OP is an attention seeking individual, who likes to start nonsense posts.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 8:26:27 GMT
With respect mate (and you do know that ordinarily I have the greatest of respect for your posts) I think you're still doing what you were accusing alster of doing earlier.
The only 'apathy' it is demonstrating, is apathy towards making a mark on the poll of an internet website. It demonstrates nothing at all with regard to their feelings towards the position of the current manager.
FriendCalledFive has just posted the final figures for the Oatcake poll on the tenure of Tony Pulis as, 384 to 186.
Just because a piddly total of 570 out of the entire Stoke City fan base voted at that time, do you think, that that in itself also demonstrated that there was a general apathy across the entire fan base towards the future of Tony Pulis at the time?
I'd say on reflection (and without the aid of any science ), that a ratio of about 2:1 wanting TP gone across the whole supporter base would probably have been just about right, if you'd had canvassed each and every supporter.
I think the Oatcake does provide a pretty representative reflection of the entire fan base.
Maybe you didn't actually say that it didn't but rather you were taking umbrage with alster over his methodology, so please don't think I'm suggesting that you did.
Talking of 'apathy'. More and more I'm seeing people saying that they're not actually bothered if he stays or if he goes. I (obviously) don't know what the percentages are but I would suspect if you took the people who aren't bothered if he continues of if he leaves and then added them to the people who definitely do want him gone, then I'd be surprised if that didn't turn out to be a rather large percentage of the total out there.
Agree with that mate and i certainly wasn't trying to say that i believe the lack of people voting proves or implies anything. I was saying that if you HAD to try to infer 1 thing out of it (simply because alster seemed insistent to do so), it certainly wouldn't be that most want him gone. It was simply a response to how he was manipulating stats. I was being facetious basically. Re: apathy....made the same comments in one of my previous posts about that poll i.e. the only real thing you can take from it, is that it indicates nothing other than apathy towards filling in the poll or apathy towards the issue itself. I also mentioned (as you do) that more and more people on here (and in "real life" with those around me, myself included) seem to be slipping into the jaws of the "Meh crocodile". My sole issue was the idea of using the number of registered members on here as a "representative sample", but then thinking we can somehow use the poll (of just 400 people) to say that's also now a representative sample of the original representative sample as it were. There are some on here that are VERY vocal about wanting him gone (fair play to them) but that's only a tiny percentage of the representative sample of the representative sample...to try to use that to back up an idea that most of the fanbase want him gone is just a bit ludicrous in my opinion. Basically i was being fucking anal for the sake of it ....and alster (if you can be arsed to read all this), i genuinely wasn't trying to piss you off mate, just didn't like the way the evidence was presented and appreciate i could have just left well alone ages ago. Apologies Honestly mmlc I did not set out to prove anything on the issue of Hughes staying or going. I used registered users then realised there was no unregistering or need to renew that left as I say comparibly anyone who ever registered to vote on the electoral register. I still think the oatcake is a fairly representative sample but its obviously not very scientific or exact but it does seem to have a fair spread of opinions and types of supporter. I fully accept that some of us post a lot and every post is not a new opinion. Just that if you take a few hundred opinions from a fanbase of a few hundred thousand it extrapolates even more favorably than a couple of thousand in a electorate of millions. Personally I think he should go but I don't have a sneaky feeling about it at all I fully expect him to stay and if he could get back on track I wouldn't be at all disappointed I just think the beatings may have changed his thinking to a more negative conservative nature for good and that mindset is not something I want us to be saddled with again.
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Post by stantheman on May 12, 2017 8:54:06 GMT
Its all gone very quiet regarding a pre season tour. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked
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Post by Glory Hunter on May 12, 2017 8:56:51 GMT
I think another poster may have mentioned it in another thread. It wouldn't surprise me if he left at end of season by mutual consent. I am not sure all is right behind the scenes at the moment? Not happening. We best all resolve to get behind him as he will be in charge next season and isn't it in all our best interests if we have a strong start to the season, which I think we will.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:54:45 GMT
Agree with that mate and i certainly wasn't trying to say that i believe the lack of people voting proves or implies anything. I was saying that if you HAD to try to infer 1 thing out of it (simply because alster seemed insistent to do so), it certainly wouldn't be that most want him gone. It was simply a response to how he was manipulating stats. I was being facetious basically. Re: apathy....made the same comments in one of my previous posts about that poll i.e. the only real thing you can take from it, is that it indicates nothing other than apathy towards filling in the poll or apathy towards the issue itself. I also mentioned (as you do) that more and more people on here (and in "real life" with those around me, myself included) seem to be slipping into the jaws of the "Meh crocodile". My sole issue was the idea of using the number of registered members on here as a "representative sample", but then thinking we can somehow use the poll (of just 400 people) to say that's also now a representative sample of the original representative sample as it were. There are some on here that are VERY vocal about wanting him gone (fair play to them) but that's only a tiny percentage of the representative sample of the representative sample...to try to use that to back up an idea that most of the fanbase want him gone is just a bit ludicrous in my opinion. Basically i was being fucking anal for the sake of it ....and alster (if you can be arsed to read all this), i genuinely wasn't trying to piss you off mate, just didn't like the way the evidence was presented and appreciate i could have just left well alone ages ago. Apologies I still think the oatcake is a fairly representative sample Still wrong.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 10:03:06 GMT
I think another poster may have mentioned it in another thread. It wouldn't surprise me if he left at end of season by mutual consent. I am not sure all is right behind the scenes at the moment? Not happening. We best all resolve to get behind him as he will be in charge next season and isn't it in all our best interests if we have a strong start to the season, which I think we will. I don't think anybody who has a strong connection or attends games regularly doesn't want us to do well whoever the manager is. I detested Pulis but still wanted us to win every game. As I say at the end of his second season I think the vast majority were behind Hughes but since then its become tarnished and people have changed their opinion both ways. I think as he has become more conservative/pragmatic former Pulis(more cautious natured) fans have warmed to him, whereas idealists like myself who welcomed his appointment and his early work have turned against him. I honestly believe its far more about events on the pitch than the man himself. I really hope we have a strong start if he stays on because I don't think he'll get a lot of patience if we start badly again. That will create a toxic atmosphere at the ground which could lead to an unnecessary relegation.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 10:04:23 GMT
I still think the oatcake is a fairly representative sample Still wrong. Still a stalking weirdo with fuck all to say.
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Post by elgreco on May 12, 2017 10:17:28 GMT
Its all gone very quiet regarding a pre season tour. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked To be honest, I thought exactly the same after Scholes had said two weeks ago that they were ready to make public all of the details of pre season etc. However, after asking the right people within the club, stoke were let down very late on after all things had been put in place. Didn't mention the club but they pulled out of the agreement for us to play at their stadium and so stoke are now currently looking for alternative opposition in Europe (away) for the sat before the season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 12, 2017 10:23:45 GMT
I think another poster may have mentioned it in another thread. It wouldn't surprise me if he left at end of season by mutual consent. I am not sure all is right behind the scenes at the moment? Not happening. We best all resolve to get behind him as he will be in charge next season and isn't it in all our best interests if we have a strong start to the season, which I think we will. What makes you think we'll buck the trend and start strongly next season?
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Post by colinroberts1 on May 12, 2017 10:30:47 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling that if butland stays fit and indi stays we'll have a better season. also there will be people who want him gone no matter what happens or top ten is made again. "there's no pleasing some people" "that's just what jesus said" that's for any monty python fans ;]
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Post by stantheman on May 12, 2017 10:35:59 GMT
Its all gone very quiet regarding a pre season tour. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked To be honest, I thought exactly the same after Scholes had said two weeks ago that they were ready to make public all of the details of pre season etc. However, after asking the right people within the club, stoke were let down very late on after all things had been put in place. Didn't mention the club but they pulled out of the agreement for us to play at their stadium and so stoke are now currently looking for alternative opposition in Europe (away) for the sat before the season. Didn't Hughes say that we were planning a few matches in Europe this summer? My Kids are driving me mad, wanting to book a summer holiday around our matches
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Post by borat on May 12, 2017 10:36:56 GMT
Not a fucking chance, for a start the discontent in the stands is a still a minority, when it becomes 50/50 and Coates get worried then yes maybe next season but listen to his interviews he doesnt sound like a beaten man does he? I'd be gobsmacked if he walked, even if we lost the last 2 games.
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Post by stokief on May 12, 2017 10:49:21 GMT
Leslie's started talking resources or lack of again I see. Never a good sign as it's really a way of having a dig at the owners. This coming from the man who wasted nearly £19mill on a player who hardly ever played, Bojan and Joselu who've been sent packing plus good old Wolly. I do have faith in Saido but would like to see him get a goal before next season. I'm of the opinion that his bizarre pick 'n' mix team selections, odd substitutions, confused tactics plus a bit of self-defensive 'limited resource/little old Stoke ramblings topped up with a disappointing mediocre finish will see him move on 'amicably'. There are times when it just looks like someone's lost their way. Even if the Coates family don't want to throw megabucks at the Club they won't like to be seen as 'smalltime'. I reckon he'll be gone either that or he's just using the season to lower everyone's expectations so we appreciate a top ten finish next one.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 10:53:00 GMT
Still a stalking weirdo with fuck all to say. What little I say isn't wrong though - unlike yourself.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 10:57:57 GMT
Still a stalking weirdo with fuck all to say. What little I say isn't wrong though - unlike yourself. Its really not clever, try adding some content or just be quiet, your input is worthless. Whether I'm right or wrong I always try to add reason. What you're doing is plain childish.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 11:00:18 GMT
What little I say isn't wrong though - unlike yourself. Its really not clever, try adding some content or just be quiet, your input is worthless. Whether I'm right or wrong I always try to add reason. What you're doing is plain childish. You're not going to admit that you are wrong, are you? Adding reason doesn't make it right. Fucking hell!
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 11:02:32 GMT
Leslie's started talking resources or lack of again I see. Never a good sign as it's really a way of having a dig at the owners. This coming from the man who wasted nearly £19mill on a player who hardly ever played, Bojan and Joselu who've been sent packing plus good old Wolly. I do have faith in Saido but would like to see him get a goal before next season. I'm of the opinion that his bizarre pick 'n' mix team selections, odd substitutions, confused tactics plus a bit of self-defensive 'limited resource/little old Stoke ramblings topped up with a disappointing mediocre finish will see him move on 'amicably'. There are times when it just looks like someone's lost their way. Even if the Coates family don't want to throw megabucks at the Club they won't like to be seen as 'smalltime'. I reckon he'll be gone either that or he's just using the season to lower everyone's expectations so we appreciate a top ten finish next one. He's still talking about next season so I just can't see it. I don't believe his transfer record is particularly awful but his management as you say has been fairly bizarre for most of the last 2 seasons, I think its had a more negative impact than any player.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 11:04:57 GMT
Its really not clever, try adding some content or just be quiet, your input is worthless. Whether I'm right or wrong I always try to add reason. What you're doing is plain childish. You're not going to admit that you are wrong, are you? Adding reason doesn't make it right. Fucking hell! Of course adding reason doesn't make it right it gives people who want to discuss and debate things something to work with. You're not doing that you're just trying to be a smart arse. I will discuss things with anybody and I'm wrong plenty.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 11:15:49 GMT
Leslie's started talking resources or lack of again I see. Never a good sign as it's really a way of having a dig at the owners. This coming from the man who wasted nearly £19mill on a player who hardly ever played, Bojan and Joselu who've been sent packing plus good old Wolly. I do have faith in Saido but would like to see him get a goal before next season. I'm of the opinion that his bizarre pick 'n' mix team selections, odd substitutions, confused tactics plus a bit of self-defensive 'limited resource/little old Stoke ramblings topped up with a disappointing mediocre finish will see him move on 'amicably'. There are times when it just looks like someone's lost their way. Even if the Coates family don't want to throw megabucks at the Club they won't like to be seen as 'smalltime'. I reckon he'll be gone either that or he's just using the season to lower everyone's expectations so we appreciate a top ten finish next one. Your post sums up my thoughts after listening to Hughes on the sentinel site
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 12, 2017 11:34:16 GMT
I'm fairly sure he will be here next season next year and that is the right decision for the club in my mind.
It's been a difficult season - Butland's injury left them unprepared, the first few fixtures were horrible, they wanted a striker and Bony was a second or third choice sticking plaster solution, Bojan struggled for form and something's clearly not right with Imbula. Lots of problems for the management to deal with.
I am the eternal optimist but I just have a sneaky feeling we'll get something out of the last 2 games. We can upset Arsenal and I have us to win - they hate coming to Stoke and it will be a test for those fragile serial bottlers. Let it be raucous and hostile for them. Southampton seems an unhappy camp too. We can take a point there.
So hopefully 43 or 45 points and maybe a top ten finish. Not bad under difficult circumstances.
The Premier League is weird. Last season Leicester City won the league by 10 points. They strolled it. This season it looked as though Ranieri was going to take them down.
Billic was flavour of the month too - he's fighting for his job. Even the media darling Eddie Howe isn't pulling up any trees. Didn't they also go out of the cup to League 1 Millwall?
We are reacting to a difficult and frustrating season and we've still done OK. Maybe Mark Hughes is doing a better job than we are giving him credit for.
As Will said earlier, sort out a couple of positions and go again next season. Future still bright for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 12:36:13 GMT
I did Cheers friend, i was amending all over the place bud, 6 hour course, arriva train and trying to comunicate on the Oatcake on a Samsung is really hard ! Well it is with my fat fingers. Take Care Mate Gooooooarrrrn Stoke There's nowt wrong with a trusty Samsung mate! 😊 There is when i am the operator friend ! Lol
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2017 12:40:50 GMT
Its all gone very quiet regarding a pre season tour. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked Stoke are always 'quiet' about pre-season tours There is a thread or three moaning (quite rightly) about this lack of communication every summer.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
Its all gone very quiet regarding a pre season tour. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked Stoke are always 'quiet' about pre-season tours There is a thread or three moaning (quite rightly) about this lack of communication every summer. They probably think anyone who'd want to go to them is a bit puddled.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 12, 2017 14:26:38 GMT
Stoke are always 'quiet' about pre-season tours There is a thread or three moaning (quite rightly) about this lack of communication every summer. They probably think anyone who'd want to go to them is a bit puddled. Oi..... I love em I do👍👍🍺🍺😄😄
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Post by elystokie on May 12, 2017 14:32:44 GMT
Stoke are always 'quiet' about pre-season tours There is a thread or three moaning (quite rightly) about this lack of communication every summer. They probably think anyone who'd want to go to them is a bit puddled. Have you been on one?
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 15:27:42 GMT
They probably think anyone who'd want to go to them is a bit puddled. Have you been on one? Never. The only preseason game I've been is when we played some foreign team at home can't even remember if it was the Vic or the Brit. Spanish team I think but not even sure about that.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on May 12, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
Never. The only preseason game I've been is when we played some foreign team at home can't even remember if it was the Vic or the Brit. Spanish team I think but not even sure about that. Real Valladolid came years ago mate, about 2009/10 pre-season. 2-2 draw, I went to it as I generally go to different parts of the ground during pre-season instead of always being in the same seat like I do with my season ticket.
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Post by alster on May 12, 2017 17:14:37 GMT
Never. The only preseason game I've been is when we played some foreign team at home can't even remember if it was the Vic or the Brit. Spanish team I think but not even sure about that. Real Valladolid came years ago mate, about 2009/10 pre-season. 2-2 draw, I went to it as I generally go to different parts of the ground during pre-season instead of always being in the same seat like I do with my season ticket. I'm thinking it was earlier than that and I have some strange idea Tommy Mooney was playing did we have anyone foreign at home in 2002.
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Post by elystokie on May 12, 2017 17:19:33 GMT
Never. The only preseason game I've been is when we played some foreign team at home can't even remember if it was the Vic or the Brit. Spanish team I think but not even sure about that. So you've formed a negative opinion on, and are criticising others for taking part in, something you've never actually experienced? At my lads' work the other day someone was slagging SOT off, when he asked them if they'd ever visited they said they hadn't. He then asked them their opinion on Chile, they said "I don't have one, I've never been..."
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Post by Bera’s Beano on May 12, 2017 17:22:15 GMT
Real Valladolid came years ago mate, about 2009/10 pre-season. 2-2 draw, I went to it as I generally go to different parts of the ground during pre-season instead of always being in the same seat like I do with my season ticket. I'm thinking it was earlier than that and I have some strange idea Tommy Mooney was playing did we have anyone foreign at home in 2002. I can't find any home games against any foreign teams in 2002 and no notable home games against any foreign team around those years either.
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