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Post by mickstupp on May 9, 2017 21:57:20 GMT
The rumour is there was a massive row between the player and Hughes at half time in the Wolves cup game. As long as Hughes remains he will never play for us again I'm afraid. He's played for us since then which kind of rules that theory out. Just repeating what I was told. I know he's played briefly since but the pair had a bust up at half time in the Wolves game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 9, 2017 21:59:07 GMT
He'll do pretty well to get £8m for Bojan though. Do you think? I wouldn't be surprised to see (somebody like) Brighton take a punt for £6 or £7 million. I sometimes wonder if Bojan was jettisoned so quickly, precisely BECAUSE his sale could ultimately be used to offset some of the loss that was undoubtedly going to have to be swallowed on Imbula. If bojan had played and played well, as he was pre injury, we could have sold him for a sum of money that would have enabled us to release imbula and Allen in free transfers and still be in a positive net spend position. Another theory that somehow just doesn't ring true.
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Post by Glory Hunter on May 9, 2017 22:00:50 GMT
I should think they did have a bust up, Imbula (who I like and have some sympathy with) was shocking in that game and rightly taken off. If he didn't like it, he should probably watch the video of the first half.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 9, 2017 22:01:04 GMT
He's played for us since then which kind of rules that theory out. Just repeating what I was told. I know he's played briefly since but the pair had a bust up at half time in the Wolves game. So I believe but if it was so bad that meant he would never play for Hughes again, he would never have played again...but he did.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 9, 2017 22:05:01 GMT
He'll do pretty well to get £8m for Bojan though. Do you think? I wouldn't be surprised to see (somebody like) Brighton take a punt for £6 or £7 million. I sometimes wonder if Bojan was jettisoned so quickly, precisely BECAUSE his sale could ultimately be used to offset some of the loss that was undoubtedly going to have to be swallowed on Imbula. Possible, but if we fail to find an English buyer, hard to see anyone abroad having the cash when you look at the types who were interested in January after what was no doubt a significant trawl for interested parties. And after his Mainz failure, he could be even more of a gamble. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/exclusive-the-eight-clubs-who-tried-to-sign-bojan-including-middlesbrough-and-celtic/story-30095156-detail/story.html
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 9, 2017 22:05:57 GMT
Roma think Imbula is worth as much as £18? Crikey! Somebody's been on the bongo juice! No. According to the tweet the offer will be £10 million. The unfinished text below refers to Stoke's £18 million player or could it be Stoke's £18 player! Do try and keep up.
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Post by mickstupp on May 9, 2017 22:06:15 GMT
Just repeating what I was told. I know he's played briefly since but the pair had a bust up at half time in the Wolves game. So I believe but if it was so bad that meant he would never play for Hughes again, he would never have played again...but he did. Hughes openly questioned his commitment at half time. The players response was less than enthusiastic and the manager hauled him off. Since then his performances have continued to be poor, as has his attitude to training, so I would be amazed if he were to play for us again.
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Post by Davef on May 9, 2017 22:07:02 GMT
Monchi knows we're shit at sell on clauses too from when he mugged us off for Nzonzi N'zonzi didn't have three and a half years left on his contract though did he?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 22:07:07 GMT
Dear the pizza boys, insert a sell on clause you feckless idiots.
Ta.
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Post by robinplumpton on May 9, 2017 22:12:38 GMT
I have to confess, I am no expert on European football, so when he signed, I had never heard of him. However as the "biggest" or most expensive signing of that window, it made me feel excited that we were spending that kind of money and then believed we must really, really have a player. Seeing his goal at Bournemouth, his performance at Chelsea and even his goal against West Ham on the last day of the season gave me hope, hope and more hope that he and we were going places, next season. Once again it's the hope that then leads to deep, deep disappointment as to how things have turned out. It felt like we made a marquee signing and signed a marquee. Don't know who is to blame, like others I saw a player in there. I can't get my head around a club like ours paying that sort of money in a transfer fee, can't get my head around taking such a loss in the proposed transfer fee. Unfortunately excitement and and anticipation has turned to disappointing and shabby. I had never heard of Brynjar Gunnarson when he was our record signing but can reconcile it to myself that he did a job. For whatever reason, Imbula hasn't done a job or been given the opportunity recently to prove that he can. To sum up. Don't know who is to blame, but disappointing
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Post by crapslinger on May 9, 2017 22:15:58 GMT
It may only be £10m down but it will be full of clauses to ( hopefully ) enable us to get the money back Stoke and clauses really good example N'Zonzi , if we only lose £8m on this waster we will have done extremely well.
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Post by crapslinger on May 9, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
He's played for us since then which kind of rules that theory out. Just repeating what I was told. I know he's played briefly since but the pair had a bust up at half time in the Wolves game. I thought Imbula could not speak English maybe his Welsh is better
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2017 22:20:18 GMT
Do you think? I wouldn't be surprised to see (somebody like) Brighton take a punt for £6 or £7 million. I sometimes wonder if Bojan was jettisoned so quickly, precisely BECAUSE his sale could ultimately be used to offset some of the loss that was undoubtedly going to have to be swallowed on Imbula. Possible, but if we fail to find an English buyer, hard to see anyone abroad having the cash when you look at the types who were interested in January after what was no doubt a significant trawl for interested parties. And after his Mainz failure, he could be even more of a gamble. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/exclusive-the-eight-clubs-who-tried-to-sign-bojan-including-middlesbrough-and-celtic/story-30095156-detail/story.htmlOh indeed. I'm talking about Hughes' psyche at the time, rather than some rational perspective, it might have even been just there in his sub conscious as the Imbula failure finally began to hit home.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2017 22:25:24 GMT
Dear the pizza boys, insert a sell on clause you feckless idiots. Ta. To be fair, you're not ordinarily given the opportunity to insert sell on clauses, when you're desperate. Which we, erm ... are.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 22:27:44 GMT
Dear the pizza boys, insert a sell on clause you feckless idiots. Ta. To be fair, you're not ordinarily given the opportunity to insert sell on clauses, when you're desperate. Which we, erm ... are. We shouldn't be desperate though and we're selling to a much better club. A sell on should mandatory here.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 22:28:59 GMT
Shame it hasn't worked out but we have gotta be happy at recouping that fee if true?
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
Annoys me how it says "consider" in one tagline then "close in" on the headline though. Surely two very different stages of a deal?
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Post by ashleyscfc on May 9, 2017 22:37:55 GMT
No doubt in my mind that 'stairs training instagram' post has something to do with this.
The club are embracing themselves with our most expensive signing running up and down stairs whilst not kicking a ball.
The manager, scouting team, chief exec and technical director need some serious questioning. What a fuck up.
Whats worse losing £8m on Imbula or Palacios?
Still people will think Glenda will 'Step up a level'
Our entire side still misses Nzonzi, and if £18m won't do it what will? We needed a working combination three midfielders to replace the work zonz did. We haven't had it since he left. Allen and two others are essential. The key is the attacking midfielder. Do we need a Bojan/Shaq or a Fellaini/ type player.
Perhaps we can spend enough money to buy a player who wants to be here instead of dogs home players again?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on May 9, 2017 22:47:12 GMT
To be fair, you're not ordinarily given the opportunity to insert sell on clauses, when you're desperate. Which we, erm ... are. We shouldn't be desperate though and we're selling to a much better club. A sell on should mandatory here. He's been a rapid flop at his last two clubs and had only a shortish period of looking good at Marseilles. I think if we're going to get £10m up front that already represents a fair bit of gamble for the buyers, I don't think we can really take the piss on clauses or else it doesn't seem to make much sense the buying club gambling on him coming good.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2017 22:53:53 GMT
To be fair, you're not ordinarily given the opportunity to insert sell on clauses, when you're desperate. Which we, erm ... are. We shouldn't be desperate though and we're selling to a much better club. A sell on should mandatory here. Mate we're having to sell him for virtually 50% of what we paid for him and he can't even make our match day squad. We ARE desperate. We don't have any cards to play here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 22:54:08 GMT
We shouldn't be desperate though and we're selling to a much better club. A sell on should mandatory here. He's been a rapid flop at his last two clubs and had only a shortish period of looking good at Marseilles. I think if we're going to get £10m up front that already represents a fair bit of gamble for the buyers, I don't think we can really take the piss on clauses or else it doesn't seem to make much sense the buying club gambling on him coming good. He's moving to one of the premier clubs in Europe who play in the Champions League. Asking for a sell on clause isn't taking the piss.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 9, 2017 22:54:13 GMT
No doubt in my mind that 'stairs training instagram' post has something to do with this. The club are embracing themselves with our most expensive signing running up and down stairs whilst not kicking a ball. The manager, scouting team, chief exec and technical director need some serious questioning. What a fuck up. Whats worse losing £8m on Imbula or Palacios? Still people will think Glenda will 'Step up a level' Our entire side still misses Nzonzi, and if £18m won't do it what will? We needed a working combination three midfielders to replace the work zonz did. We haven't had it since he left. Allen and two others are essential. The key is the attacking midfielder. Do we need a Bojan/Shaq or a Fellaini/ type player. Perhaps we can spend enough money to buy a player who wants to be here instead of dogs home players again? Our recent recruitment has been every bit as bad as in the worst excesses of the Pulis years and the very thought that we now have a full time, fully focussed, recruitment department make our recent efforts seem even more laughable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 22:55:40 GMT
We shouldn't be desperate though and we're selling to a much better club. A sell on should mandatory here. Mate we're having to sell him for virtually 50% of what we paid for him and he can't even make our match day squad. We ARE desperate. He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here.
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Post by kustokie on May 9, 2017 22:56:44 GMT
The rumour is there was a massive row between the player and Hughes at half time in the Wolves cup game. As long as Hughes remains he will never play for us again I'm afraid. I thought that was general knowledge. EDIT: As I recall both Bojan and Imbula were subbed at half time, and both players drove off in a huff. Bojan was banished to Mainz as a result of that insubordination. The only surprise to me is that Imbula didn't suffer the same penalty.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2017 23:01:16 GMT
Mate we're having to sell him for virtually 50% of what we paid for him and he can't even make our match day squad. We ARE desperate. He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here. Apart from the fact that Roma would laugh us out of the room. We're in a very weak position, they know it and we know it. "Yeah okay Stoke we'll give you a sell on clause but if you want one we're only going to give you £5 mil for him now, which way do you want it ... take it or leave it?"
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Post by kustokie on May 9, 2017 23:02:06 GMT
Mate we're having to sell him for virtually 50% of what we paid for him and he can't even make our match day squad. We ARE desperate. He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here. It's not just a question of finance. This situation also speaks to Hughes's man management skills (or lack thereof).
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 23:05:23 GMT
He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here. Apart from the fact that Roma would laugh us out of the room. We're in a very weak position, they know it and we know it. "Yeah okay Stoke we'll give you a sell on clause but if you want one we're only going to give you £5 mil for him now, which way do you want it ... take it or leave it?" Leave it and get a manager in that can coach him defensivley. I really don't think we are over a barrel here. The fact that feckin Roma are interested is enough. 10m and a sell on is good business for all concerned.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 23:06:59 GMT
He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here. It's not just a question of finance. This situation also speaks to Hughes's man management skills (or lack thereof). And his coaching ability. Imbula is clearly a lazy bastard but there's a player in him. He needs to be coached defensivley to get that player out. In an ideal world both leave for me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 9, 2017 23:07:45 GMT
Apart from the fact that Roma would laugh us out of the room. We're in a very weak position, they know it and we know it. "Yeah okay Stoke we'll give you a sell on clause but if you want one we're only going to give you £5 mil for him now, which way do you want it ... take it or leave it?" Leave it and get a manager in that can coach him defensivley. I really don't think we are over a barrel here. The fact that feckin Roma are interested is enough. 10m and a sell on is good business for all concerned. It's not good business from Roma's point of view when they know Stoke are in a weak position.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 9, 2017 23:10:09 GMT
He can't and that's the fault of the manager who should be sacked. It shouldn't impact on what should be a deal that has a regulation sell on clause in. There is no excuse here. Apart from the fact that Roma would laugh us out of the room. We're in a very weak position, they know it and we know it. "Yeah okay Stoke we'll give you a sell on clause but if you want one we're only going to give you £5 mil for him now, which way do you want it ... take it or leave it?" We seem to be constantly on the wrong side of these deals though Paul, don't we? Birmingham were absolutely desperate for cash when they sold us Butland. Totally different circumstances to Imbula I know but they managed to get a record for a teenage goalkeeper with a 20% sell on clause on top. We're just not very good at this game and either the recruitment dept. or Scholes have to start taking their share of the responsibility that they dodged under the last manager and continue to dodge know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2017 23:11:53 GMT
Leave it and get a manager in that can coach him defensivley. I really don't think we are over a barrel here. The fact that feckin Roma are interested is enough. 10m and a sell on is good business for all concerned. It's not good business from Roma's point of view when they Stoke are in a weak position. Premier League club who are shitting money, owned by billionaires with a saleable asset (a Champions League who are one of the best clubs in Europe want him), it's not that bad. Or at least it shouldn't if you have a decent manager and a decent negotiater. Fuck, you're right......
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