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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 15:42:24 GMT
you watch the two minute clip above (as I have just done) it confirms my suspicions really
and, it just makes you angry,
very angry indeed!
you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the lads 'got the lot'
hes 20 - hes got the temperament and engine too
you build sides around players like this lad
other young lads we've seen this season - are quite frankly, light years off
this lads the real deal - the finished article
and, other senior pros would surely be happy to make room for him
absolutely crazy we aren't seeing more of him
Criminal even !
unforgivable even ? ???? -perhaps that too
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Post by baystokie on May 7, 2017 15:47:52 GMT
Pieters was brought on for Arnie instead of Sobhi There is something going on Maybe Hughes did not want to risk Sobhi against the likes of Arter and others. Y risk lad near the end of his first season. Sobhi needs a full pre-season's preparation - not spending the close season recovering from bodily damage. A youngster's confidence could be shattered by unnecessary injury so soon in his Prem life.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 15:51:36 GMT
If anything, he has been overprotected
the lads been to the Final of the AFCON recently
what more do you fucking need ?
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Post by baystokie on May 7, 2017 15:57:30 GMT
you watch the two minute clip above (as I have just done) it confirms my suspicions really and, it just makes you angry, very angry indeed!you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the lads 'got the lot' hes 20 - hes got the temperament and engine too you build sides around players like this lad other young lads we've seen this season - are quite frankly, light years off this lads the real deal - the finished article and, other senior pros would surely be happy to make room for him absolutely crazy we aren't seeing more of him Criminal even ! unforgivable even ? ???? -perhaps that too 'the finished article' - that's not even funny - few players consider themselves as such - he still has much to learn. 'build sides around players like him' - disagree in as much as you shouldn't put such responsibility on such young shoulders, he hasn't the experience yet to cope and adapt when things go wrong. Spurs are not building their side around Ali and he's more of a finished article than Ramadan.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 7, 2017 15:59:09 GMT
If anything, he has been overprotected the lads been to the Final of the AFCON recently what more do you fucking need ? How many times was he on the bench in that run coincidently?..
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 16:02:14 GMT
Plainly - you are not seeing what I'm seeing
He be one of the first names on my teamsheet this season
and - definitely next season ( providing this seasons rank stupidity has not pissed the lad off too much)
And - when Arnie took his ban before the AFCON it was obvious Sobhi was an ideal replacement
it was criminal negligence ( MANAGERIALLY) we did not see him until after he shone in the AFCON
AND YEP, FROM THE BENCH TOO !
but, for an international team that were favourites and, in a now, highly physical and competitive competition
to finish
there's an old saying too-
if you are good enough - you are old enough !
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 16:09:04 GMT
Worst of all for a young lad :-
a) You come to a new country
b) you work hard to settle in
c) you train hard
d) you do your best
e) you force a place in the team
f) you do well - very well in fact
and your reward ?
g) you are dropped ???????????
you couldnt fucking write it !
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Post by robwahlmann on May 7, 2017 16:11:51 GMT
Hopefully a player for the starting 11 next season! Too good to warm the bench for most of the time!
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Post by Dr Hesham on May 7, 2017 16:46:26 GMT
I miss watching the guy doing his magic, waiting for the international games against Tunisia and Uganda to watch him. Ramadan and his agent made a lot of pressure on Al Ahly to let him go to achieve his dream by playing in the premier league but if Ramadan wants to come back, Al Ahly will be very happy to pay the same amount of money again. "5 million $" BTW I am sure Ramadan will not ask to come back to Al Ahly cause he believes in himself and he believes in his future success in Europe, he said in multiple situations he wants to stay in Stoke at least 2 seasons. Ramadan said he was crying after each game in the beginning of the season when he wasn't playing in an interview, I dont know what he feels now after being dropped and what will be his response and his agent response to the mistreatment by Mr Hughes, may be there is a deal that we dont know between Ramadan and Mr Hughes or between Ramadan and the president of the club "who bought him not Mr Hughes according to Egyptian newspapers 1 year ago".
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2017 16:49:28 GMT
We will only see him regularly if we sell either Arnie or Shaq. Which one is it going to be?
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Post by superheroantonius on May 7, 2017 16:57:55 GMT
We will only see him regularly if we sell either Arnie or Shaq. Which one is it going to be? I am not sure that right. The only team shaq plays for apart from stoke is switzerland and he plays very well for them in the number 10 role.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 7, 2017 17:03:42 GMT
This lad has bags of talent and potential yet he's being shat on by Hughes, if we end up losing this kid then we need shooting. It's the worst Kept secret in football that this lad is one of the best young players in the premiership. I am definitely expecting interest backed up by money this summer from the likes of newcastle and west ham. Only two games to go,so we will find out soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:07:35 GMT
Mick
that is horseshit (with all due respect)
absolutely no reason - no reason at all -Ramadan Arnie and Shaq cant all feature in the same team
its that exact same 'mental illness' that is affecting our manager presently
good players play together and - can play anywhere
E,g Arnie Right Sobhi left and shaq behind the striker (exactly where he played for Bayern Munich dontchaknow)
and - its what I'm waiting for our manager to wake up to
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2017 17:09:43 GMT
The ONLY thing that makes sense, other than injury, as to why hughes isn't playing Sobhi is that he rates him SO highly he doesn't want to put him in the shop window this summer. But then what's the point of the 5 year contract then???? That makes no sense. He's not played that well to get a big move yet. And if those clubs want him, they'll bid anyway. If he rated him, he'd play him. Simple as.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 7, 2017 17:10:07 GMT
At the end of the day the facts are... when he played in February and March we beat palace ( he set up the only goal for Joe Allen) we beat boro ( he ran them ragged) we drew away to man city and we gave Chelsea a real scare ( stoke 1 Chelsea 2)
Since he's been frozen out we have won one in our last nine ( relegation form by any definition)
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Post by superheroantonius on May 7, 2017 17:23:28 GMT
you watch the two minute clip above (as I have just done) it confirms my suspicions really and, it just makes you angry, very angry indeed!you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the lads 'got the lot' hes 20 - hes got the temperament and engine too you build sides around players like this lad other young lads we've seen this season - are quite frankly, light years off this lads the real deal - the finished article and, other senior pros would surely be happy to make room for him absolutely crazy we aren't seeing more of him Criminal even ! unforgivable even ? ???? -perhaps that too 'the finished article' - that's not even funny - few players consider themselves as such - he still has much to learn. 'build sides around players like him' - disagree in as much as you shouldn't put such responsibility on such young shoulders, he hasn't the experience yet to cope and adapt when things go wrong. Spurs are not building their side around Ali and he's more of a finished article than Ramadan. That may be true But the results we are getting with him frozen out ( 1 win in our last nine!) are not as good as when he was playing in February and March. Doesn't matter how good you think he looks ( and I think he looks very good) if he improves our results he should play. You can't go round dropping players because they improve your results. That's madness. To use your spurs example, are spurs really going to drop alli, because playing him improves their results? I doubt it
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2017 20:44:06 GMT
Mick that is horseshit (with all due respect) absolutely no reason - no reason at all -Ramadan Arnie and Shaq cant all feature in the same team its that exact same 'mental illness' that is affecting our manager presently good players play together and - can play anywhere E,g Arnie Right Sobhi left and shaq behind the striker (exactly where he played for Bayern Munich dontchaknow) and - its what I'm waiting for our manager to wake up to Doesn't really matter what we think though does it? The man that matters has never, and probably will never play Arnie, Shaqiri, and Ramadan in the same team so it's very safe to assume that under Mark Hughes Ramadan is seen as no more than our second choice left winger.
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Post by alster on May 7, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
Apparently Arnie can't play on the right. Funny could have sworn I saw him score a brace on one of the last times I saw him play there with Ramadan on the left. Maybe its because Shaq can't play the 10, no actually I've seen him do that fairly recently too. Conclusion manager too scared to play such an attacking line up/prefers Joe second touch a tackle Allen at 10.
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Post by xchpotter on May 7, 2017 21:17:45 GMT
Love to know the back story on this....there simply has to be one.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 21:22:59 GMT
you watch the two minute clip above (as I have just done) it confirms my suspicions really and, it just makes you angry, very angry indeed!you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the lads 'got the lot' hes 20 - hes got the temperament and engine too you build sides around players like this lad other young lads we've seen this season - are quite frankly, light years off this lads the real deal - the finished article and, other senior pros would surely be happy to make room for him absolutely crazy we aren't seeing more of him Criminal even ! unforgivable even ? ???? -perhaps that too Fully agree. Obviously we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but as you say, the list of positives with this lad is endless.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 7, 2017 21:36:00 GMT
It'll be rayt. If Hughes doesn't rate Ramadan he'll end up being sectioned. And he wunner be.
Trust the dudes who've coaxed the best out of Arnie etc.
Patience.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on May 11, 2017 8:05:57 GMT
Why Ramadan isn't playing
> Hughes' can't trust our current DM options enough to play a no.10 which means Shaqiri down the middle isn't happening anytime soon
> He's competing for the same position as Arnautovic (Arguably our best player)
> Arnie is less effective on the right
> Shaqiri isn't injured
15 apps in your first season in the PL at 19 isn't exactly limited opportunities, I am hoping we'll see him alot more next season. We really need a DM this summer (Like we've said every summer since Hughes' arrived)
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Post by primmerz on May 11, 2017 9:25:32 GMT
Why Ramadan isn't playing > Hughes' can't trust our current DM options enough to play a no.10 which means Shaqiri down the middle isn't happening anytime soon > He's competing for the same position as Arnautovic (Arguably our best player) > Arnie is less effective on the right > Shaqiri isn't injured 15 apps in your first season in the PL at 19 isn't exactly limited opportunities, I am hoping we'll see him alot more next season. We really need a DM this summer (Like we've said every summer since Hughes' arrived) Hughes doesn't want to try anything different, its not that he can't trust the DM's. We've continue to try and shoe horn Allen in as our furthest forward CM. Arnie & Sobhi worked perfectly fine when Shaq was out and both looked dangerous on whatever wing they played on. Only at Stoke would you have 3 incredibly talented players that we have to sacrifice one of them because we are too scared to try all 3. The seasons been drab and Sobhi has been one of the highlights of it, a winger that demands the ball, looks to take players on and put the ball on a plate. Its highly frustrating watching this youngster be dropped after playing so well and now he can hardly get a sniff. The fact that pieters came on over him the other day in a winnable game shows the mentality of our manager now. We've got nothing to lose, try all 3 together.
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Post by maliciousdamage on May 11, 2017 9:41:56 GMT
Why Ramadan isn't playing > Hughes' can't trust our current DM options enough to play a no.10 which means Shaqiri down the middle isn't happening anytime soon > He's competing for the same position as Arnautovic (Arguably our best player) > Arnie is less effective on the right > Shaqiri isn't injured 15 apps in your first season in the PL at 19 isn't exactly limited opportunities, I am hoping we'll see him alot more next season. We really need a DM this summer (Like we've said every summer since Hughes' arrived) To be honest I'm not buying this perception that the dm isn't good enough Cameron and Allen or Whelan should be capable enough to hold and protect a half decent back four where we have failed over the last 18 months is quality in the final third and scoring goals play Shaq at 10 and Arnie and Ramadan out wide with Berahino up front and over a space of say five games they would start clicking and scoring I'm sure of it. Defenders should defend attackers attack and put pressure on the opposition however why Hughes won't try the ONLY thing he hasnt tried (and yet the most obvious to most on here and in the stadium) is beyond me! 😞 And only two games left this season to try it!
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Post by cousindupree on May 11, 2017 10:13:51 GMT
The call for Shaq still baffles me. Has he ever played there? The no10 position is the fulcrum of the attack and you need energy and dynamism to be effective. Shaq wanders in and out of games and rarely goes looking for the ball.And he is at his most dangerous cutting inside from wide... I think it just wouldn't work. I don't believe for one minute that Hughes doesn't rate Sobhi he is obviously behind Arnie in that position and you simply have to play your best player in his best position.
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Post by primmerz on May 11, 2017 10:44:19 GMT
The call for Shaq still baffles me. Has he ever played there? The no10 position is the fulcrum of the attack and you need energy and dynamism to be effective. Shaq wanders in and out of games and rarely goes looking for the ball.And he is at his most dangerous cutting inside from wide... I think it just wouldn't work. I don't believe for one minute that Hughes doesn't rate Sobhi he is obviously behind Arnie in that position and you simply have to play your best player in his best position. Shaq has played that role on numerous occasions for Switzerland and from what I've seen he looked good in the position. His quick feet & passing is what we need in that number 10 area, his eye for a pass is wasted out wide. But we'll never get to see who is right or wrong if the manager never gives it a go. Like I've said previously, we have so much potential with these 3 but too scared to play them together, if he tries it and it doesn't work then fine, I'll hold my hands up but to not even contemplate the idea is naive. The fact we don't even see Sobhi come on when Arnie or Shaq are not playing well speaks volumes.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 11, 2017 10:50:41 GMT
The call for Shaq still baffles me. Has he ever played there? The no10 position is the fulcrum of the attack and you need energy and dynamism to be effective. Shaq wanders in and out of games and rarely goes looking for the ball.And he is at his most dangerous cutting inside from wide... I think it just wouldn't work. I don't believe for one minute that Hughes doesn't rate Sobhi he is obviously behind Arnie in that position and you simply have to play your best player in his best position. Arnie has been very ordinary in the last couple of games and could have been dropped because of it. I think it would give him a kick up the arse if he thought his place was in danger(and I rate Arnie).
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Post by sevvy on May 11, 2017 10:55:38 GMT
The call for Shaq still baffles me. Has he ever played there? The no10 position is the fulcrum of the attack and you need energy and dynamism to be effective. Shaq wanders in and out of games and rarely goes looking for the ball.And he is at his most dangerous cutting inside from wide... I think it just wouldn't work. I don't believe for one minute that Hughes doesn't rate Sobhi he is obviously behind Arnie in that position and you simply have to play your best player in his best position. How about trying Arnie as No10? Ramadan left, shaq right. Arnie is strong , has an eye for a pass and can link well with berahino? Worth a try?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 11:43:37 GMT
Its never been 'either / or' - Arnie or Ramadan in my eyes
its always been about accommodating both because, they are both true class players
and good / class players can fit in anywhere
The Dutch had 'total football' back in the day - any player is capable of doing ajob in any position
I dont see any different - never have
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Post by djduncanjames on May 11, 2017 12:00:40 GMT
Its never been 'either / or' - Arnie or Ramadan in my eyes its always been about accommodating both because, they are both true class players and good / class players can fit in anywhere The Dutch had 'total football' back in the day - any player is capable of doing ajob in any position I dont see any different - never have I hear you Tony, and if he is not starting, he deffo needs to be used better substitution wise.
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