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Post by lordb on Mar 6, 2017 19:37:03 GMT
Can't see Coates appointing a coach from abroad ever. At a push he might go for a foreign coach with Premier League experience but his preference will be British with Premier League experience. I think Coates list would be very short indeed. Pardew,Dyche maybe. Erm...that might be it. I'm not so sure anymore you know Lord. There's the reality of age etc. May be a bit of the romantic but I could envisage Hughes and Coates dancing off into the sunset with a bit of Glory under their belt, Sir Peter hands the reigns for decisions re the manager to the next generation, Hughes goes off to pastures new. {with Silverware, a European Campaign, managing successfully within the self sustaining model, integration of youth, not abandoning a project and Stoke's biggest Premiership attendances added to his cv. etc} There'll be tentative succession planning in place already no doubt. I think he's added better basics to the footballing revolution they're implementing. As Rhianna would say 'Stay'. I see nothing to suggest Peter Coates would change his view on British managers however John Coates might well have a different view. Would still be surprising if they went for a manager who hasn't worked in this league before. I think both of them will view that Pardew E.t.c. is clearly not an improvement and will give him another season for sure. What we might get is a bigger turnover in players this summer especially with it being a non tournament summer.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Mar 6, 2017 19:42:20 GMT
Depends what the ambitions of the Coates family are. If they can financially support a push for top 6/7 then I think they will bring in a new Manager that they believe could achieve that. If they are happy with top 10 for their current and future level of investment then there's no need to replace Hughes because they won't find anyone better
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Post by PolPotter on Mar 6, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
When do we want to progress from our level? It won't happen with Hughes. Get real - this is probably as good as its going to get for a club of Stoke's size. And if you're not enjoying this you really need to start supporting another club. OK we might edge into 7th or 8th - but top six? Look at what we're up against - we don't have the money or pulling power to compete at that level on a consistent basis. Its not fair - but that's what it is. We're lucky to have Mark Hughes and we're lucky to be a mid table Premier league club. If you don't get that you need a reality check. Enjoy it while its there - if the last 154 years are anything to go by these really are the good times. We are lucky to have Mark Hughes? Why are we lucky?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2017 20:04:56 GMT
If we offered the job to Ranieri he'd snap our hands off mate.
Would you have him? No.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 6, 2017 20:05:35 GMT
If we offered the job to Ranieri he'd snap our hands off mate.
What are your grounds for saying that? Because he's just been sacked by a club in danger of relegation? What bigger offer do you think he's going to get?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 6, 2017 20:05:44 GMT
I'm not so sure anymore you know Lord. There's the reality of age etc. May be a bit of the romantic but I could envisage Hughes and Coates dancing off into the sunset with a bit of Glory under their belt, Sir Peter hands the reigns for decisions re the manager to the next generation, Hughes goes off to pastures new. {with Silverware, a European Campaign, managing successfully within the self sustaining model, integration of youth, not abandoning a project and Stoke's biggest Premiership attendances added to his cv. etc} There'll be tentative succession planning in place already no doubt. I think he's added better basics to the footballing revolution they're implementing. As Rhianna would say 'Stay'. I see nothing to suggest Peter Coates would change his view on British managers however John Coates might well have a different view. Would still be surprising if they went for a manager who hasn't worked in this league before. I think both of them will view that Pardew E.t.c. is clearly not an improvement and will give him another season for sure. What we might get is a bigger turnover in players this summer especially with it being a non tournament summer. It's speculation what'll pan out but I get that good feeling that in terms of the forseeable future we're in top quality hands, amongst a sadly dwindling Clubs who can boast that. They may ultimately be gearing it up for sale {or whatever} but in the boom and bust world of modern football, a degree of self sustainability gets my support. {Worrying about the money in football just breaks me head anyway.} As for the clear out, you could well be right. This Summer seems a ripe time for the promotion of 3/4 from the youth, one of the targets set by Coates from the off.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 6, 2017 20:10:51 GMT
Strange to read in the Italian press that Stoke might be looking at a foreign coach next.. I know Coates is very pro British so maybe if he were to stand down his siblings might be more inclined to take that route?. Personally I would stick with him. Yes we appear to have stagnated but let him have a clear out this summer and rebuild a hopefully more vibrant side. Why would Stoke want a foriegn coach? What's wrong with Bostocks or Leons or Joe Dogs ? ???
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2017 20:12:02 GMT
If we offered the job to Ranieri he'd snap our hands off mate.
What are your grounds for saying that?
He didn't turn down the Leicester job when it was offered to him did he?
We are a much more established Premiership side now than they were then.
What are your grounds for saying he would turn us down?
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 6, 2017 20:17:22 GMT
He'll still be here.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 6, 2017 20:20:58 GMT
I think he'll stay. I also think he's taken us as far as he can. There is not much further we can go tbh Bar a cup run but that takes luck as well
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 6, 2017 20:24:38 GMT
Have to say his answer at today's press conference was hardly convincing re: the future
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:32:01 GMT
He will still be here. I've been frustrated as anyone this year but we're on target for another top 10 finish. Not bad for little old stoke
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2017 20:33:37 GMT
I think there is a new phase on the horizon with some younger home grown players and perhaps a few less big club waifs and strays - would be good to have continuity at the top while that takes place so I'm for him staying at least 2 more seasons. He's a solid old school type and I think that suits this club.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 6, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
Pardew???
The none risk managers
Alladice Pulls
Then risk comes in.
Raneiri
Moyes would be a good manager with a settled boardroom like stoke. He will be free next season.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 6, 2017 20:41:57 GMT
Pardew???
The none risk managers
Alladice Pulls
Then risk comes in.
Raneiri
Moyes would be a good manager with a settled boardroom like stoke. He will be free next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:45:06 GMT
Like FM says above, it would take a remarkable turn of events to see Hughes go. It would virtually re-write the rules on what a sacking offence is and the pressure on the new bloke would be virtually unbearable. Even if we get over 50 points this season, it would be very hard to argue we were progressing and the regularity of our four goal spuddings is absolutely maddening but it’s about as far away from a sacking offence as its possible to get. Just noticed that I 'disliked' your post Sheiky. No idea how that happened as I'd not even seen your post til just now. I've removed the offending article. Sorry old fruit.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 6, 2017 20:46:30 GMT
Fat Sam and Moyes could be available at the end of the season. I'd stick with Hughes - he just needs to pay more attention to the Oatcake experts when it comes to the starting line-up and substitutions. He could also do well by learning how to use Google before he signs players like Imbula.
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Post by alster on Mar 6, 2017 21:11:31 GMT
Pardew??? The none risk managers Alladice Pulls Then risk comes in. Raneiri Moyes would be a good manager with a settled boardroom like stoke. He will be free next season. Fuck it Hughes is brilliant.
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Post by stokie1954 on Mar 6, 2017 21:49:58 GMT
He can be frustrating but 1 - we don't go to training. 2 - we don't know how much input he has on transfers. 3 - he's had a lot of bad luck with injuries. 4 - we don't know the players personally or what issues they have. But one things for sure and that is that he's got us 3 x 9th place finishes and has on the whole done well. What I would say though is he needs to be told what we need and that there will not be funds freed up for any more no. 10s or box to box midfielders. So for me he needs to stay but be told things need to change. 3 X 9th place finishes. That old chestnut!. Next home game when the same old tedious dross is served up I shall think on that to cheer me up.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 6, 2017 21:53:18 GMT
He can be frustrating but 1 - we don't go to training. 2 - we don't know how much input he has on transfers. 3 - he's had a lot of bad luck with injuries. 4 - we don't know the players personally or what issues they have. But one things for sure and that is that he's got us 3 x 9th place finishes and has on the whole done well. What I would say though is he needs to be told what we need and that there will not be funds freed up for any more no. 10s or box to box midfielders. So for me he needs to stay but be told things need to change. 3 X 9th place finishes. That old chestnut!. Next home game when the same old tedious dross is served up I shall think on that to cheer me up. Tedious dross? Minter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 21:56:19 GMT
Yes he will be here. And rightly so in my opinion.....
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Mar 6, 2017 21:57:02 GMT
Hopefully he'll still be here. We saw on Saturday what a difference one player (Cameron) can make to the fluidity of the team. If we can get in the right defensive midfielder them a couple of improvements elsewhere, things could look a lot healthier next season, particularly with the emergence of Ramadan and the return of Butland. i like Cameron, but I think the opposition had more to do with the result. Don't think Cameron would have made a difference against Tottenham.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 21:58:42 GMT
Hopefully he'll still be here. We saw on Saturday what a difference one player (Cameron) can make to the fluidity of the team. If we can get in the right defensive midfielder them a couple of improvements elsewhere, things could look a lot healthier next season, particularly with the emergence of Ramadan and the return of Butland. i like Cameron, but I think the opposition had more to do with the result. Don't think Cameron would have made a difference against Tottenham. Cameron for Adam and I don't think we'd have lost 4-0. We'd have lost, just not by that margin in my opinion....
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 6, 2017 22:09:03 GMT
Comment by FCA47 I found most interesting. Seemed to suggest he wouldn't be sacked but would not be here next year. Can't believe with 2 yes left on a lucrative contract he would walk away..be odd if he did.
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Post by lordb on Mar 6, 2017 22:14:45 GMT
Pardew??? The none risk managers Alladice Pulls Then risk comes in. Raneiri Moyes would be a good manager with a settled boardroom like stoke. He will be free next season. Fuck it Hughes is brilliant. Scary isn't it.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2017 22:15:00 GMT
Hopefully he'll still be here. We saw on Saturday what a difference one player (Cameron) can make to the fluidity of the team. If we can get in the right defensive midfielder them a couple of improvements elsewhere, things could look a lot healthier next season, particularly with the emergence of Ramadan and the return of Butland. i like Cameron, but I think the opposition had more to do with the result. Don't think Cameron would have made a difference against Tottenham. We have missed GCam's athleticism and defensive capabilities in midfield without doubt, he plays for the shirt and is a credit to the club, Charlie is not cut out for the role he is no athlete and his tackling is bordering on assault most of the time, our manager somehow still see's Allen as a number 10 the other option is Imbula well the less said about him the better, if Hughes has to stay next season someone needs to scrutinise his proposed signings clinically he has to come up with a concrete base system and bring in players that fit that system. He has wasted far too much money on miss fits and walking wounded to be trusted to call the shots at our club.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2017 22:17:29 GMT
Comment by FCA47 I found most interesting. Seemed to suggest he wouldn't be sacked but would not be here next year. Can't believe with 2 yes left on a lucrative contract he would walk away..be odd if he did. The Coates family have told him if he is to stay he has to pay Imbulas salary for as long as we are lumbered with him, he has thought fuck that I'm off.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 6, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
The domestic managers market isn't exactly thriving and you'd say we'd struggle to get anyone as good as Hughes so that would mean us looking abroad and taking a risk, a risk I'd suggest Coates isn't too inclined to take.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 6, 2017 22:19:44 GMT
Pardew??? The none risk managers Alladice Pulls Then risk comes in. Raneiri Moyes would be a good manager with a settled boardroom like stoke. He will be free next season. Fuck it Hughes is brilliant. Another converted soul .👍.....God bless you my son.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 6, 2017 22:20:38 GMT
Coventry have now had 4 managers this season.
We need continuity and long term planning to progress. Changing managers often will only cause a short term view of the team. This in turn leads to ignoring young talent which is the opposite of what Coates has said often about the Academy.
At worst Hughes is a steady hand, personally I believe he is exactly what we need. Waddington wasn't instantly successful but by staying for 16/17 years we became a force to be reckoned with until that unfortunate storm
Give the man a good run, he has achieved three consecutive 9th places and we are still in line for another top ten finish. Too mant people want instant success, it takes time, money and a lot of effort to improve. We don't have the money in comparison to those above us so we need to rely on time and effort to evolve.
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