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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2017 0:04:33 GMT
I know I'm talking pie in the sky, but
surely the next logical step in the development of the ground is to fill in the NW corner and at the same time install state of the art dressing rooms, etc. for players and officials plus the best possible media facilities etc. such as a TV broadcasting studio overlooking the ground. The players would then enter and leave with Stoke supporters having the best view.
The following step would be to demolish everything at the SW corner, providing temporary facilities for the shop and anything else required while the corner is rebuilt. The new corner structure would have enlarged shop, visitors bar/refreshments, additional admin facilities for contractors like caterers. The visiting spectators would be allotted the corner and the Stoke fans would get to occupy seating behind the south end goal.
Naturally this would take a number of years during which there should be a general ongoing refurbishment of the rest of the ground with improved seating, LED lighting, more TVs, refreshments facilities, toilets, improved general decor such as murals, etc.
The final development stage of the stadium, if warranted by demand, would be the enhancement of the main stand to significantly increase capacity. This could be done by an additional tier.
Like I said "pie in the sky", but a logical evolutionary process to me.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2017 0:25:11 GMT
I know I'm talking pie in the sky, but surely the next logical step in the development of the ground is to fill in the NW corner and at the same time install state of the art dressing rooms, etc. for players and officials plus the best possible media facilities etc. such as a TV broadcasting studio overlooking the ground. The players would then enter and leave with Stoke supporters having the best view. The following step would be to demolish everything at the SW corner, providing temporary facilities for the shop and anything else required while the corner is rebuilt. The new corner structure would have enlarged shop, visitors bar/refreshments, additional admin facilities for contractors like caterers. The visiting spectators would be allotted the corner and the Stoke fans would get to occupy seating behind the south end goal. Naturally this would take a number of years during which there should be a general ongoing refurbishment of the rest of the ground with improved seating, LED lighting, more TVs, refreshments facilities, toilets, improved general decor such as murals, etc. The final development stage of the stadium, if warranted by demand, would be the enhancement of the main stand to significantly increase capacity. This could be done by an additional tier. Like I said "pie in the sky", but a logical evolutionary process to me. You have pretty much described what I posted higher up the thread. Just 2 things to add - the 2 final corners would take the capacity to about 35,000. The chances of needing extra capacity beyond that are slim. But, if there was a need, we would be better enlarging the Booth End as it is to the north and blocks less light from the pitch. The other point is that when the south west corner is developed it would probably be necessary to provide a permanent shop in a separate building as you would otherwise have to keep the shop small to avoid making the concourse too small. The shop should be where the players' car park is as that would need moving when the changing rooms move to the other end of the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 1:29:19 GMT
Away supporters should be placed at the worst possible place in the stadium. They should be stuck in the most un-hospitable area possible. Where they are now is perfect for away supporters. Typical Stoke stadium management. Burslem?
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2017 8:45:45 GMT
I know I'm talking pie in the sky, but surely the next logical step in the development of the ground is to fill in the NW corner and at the same time install state of the art dressing rooms, etc. for players and officials plus the best possible media facilities etc. such as a TV broadcasting studio overlooking the ground. The players would then enter and leave with Stoke supporters having the best view. The following step would be to demolish everything at the SW corner, providing temporary facilities for the shop and anything else required while the corner is rebuilt. The new corner structure would have enlarged shop, visitors bar/refreshments, additional admin facilities for contractors like caterers. The visiting spectators would be allotted the corner and the Stoke fans would get to occupy seating behind the south end goal. Naturally this would take a number of years during which there should be a general ongoing refurbishment of the rest of the ground with improved seating, LED lighting, more TVs, refreshments facilities, toilets, improved general decor such as murals, etc. The final development stage of the stadium, if warranted by demand, would be the enhancement of the main stand to significantly increase capacity. This could be done by an additional tier. Like I said "pie in the sky", but a logical evolutionary process to me. You have pretty much described what I posted higher up the thread. Just 2 things to add - the 2 final corners would take the capacity to about 35,000. The chances of needing extra capacity beyond that are slim. But, if there was a need, we would be better enlarging the Booth End as it is to the north and blocks less light from the pitch. The other point is that when the south west corner is developed it would probably be necessary to provide a permanent shop in a separate building as you would otherwise have to keep the shop small to avoid making the concourse too small. The shop should be where the players' car park is as that would need moving when the changing rooms move to the other end of the stadium. Yes good idea. Build an tier above the present and stick the visitors in the stratosphere as at Newcastle and Sunderland.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2017 8:50:55 GMT
There is not a cat in hells chance the other corners will be filled in. No chance.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 19, 2017 9:11:36 GMT
I know I'm talking pie in the sky, but surely the next logical step in the development of the ground is to fill in the NW corner and at the same time install state of the art dressing rooms, etc. for players and officials plus the best possible media facilities etc. such as a TV broadcasting studio overlooking the ground. The players would then enter and leave with Stoke supporters having the best view. The following step would be to demolish everything at the SW corner, providing temporary facilities for the shop and anything else required while the corner is rebuilt. The new corner structure would have enlarged shop, visitors bar/refreshments, additional admin facilities for contractors like caterers. The visiting spectators would be allotted the corner and the Stoke fans would get to occupy seating behind the south end goal. Naturally this would take a number of years during which there should be a general ongoing refurbishment of the rest of the ground with improved seating, LED lighting, more TVs, refreshments facilities, toilets, improved general decor such as murals, etc. The final development stage of the stadium, if warranted by demand, would be the enhancement of the main stand to significantly increase capacity. This could be done by an additional tier. Like I said "pie in the sky", but a logical evolutionary process to me. Spot on. Expensive but worth it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 19, 2017 9:24:51 GMT
re the messy North-West corner, it's be nice if something was done, even if the club don't feel the need to fill it in. A Hawthorns-stlye windbreak would be a start, but just a few more exec boxes like Barnsley or Derby would be better Barnsley... Derby...
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Post by werrington on Feb 19, 2017 9:30:15 GMT
re the messy North-West corner, it's be nice if something was done, even if the club don't feel the need to fill it in. A Hawthorns-stlye windbreak would be a start, but just a few more exec boxes like Barnsley or Derby would be better Barnsley... Derby... Didn't we try and get permission for windshields around 6 years ago ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2017 9:38:52 GMT
re the messy North-West corner, it's be nice if something was done, even if the club don't feel the need to fill it in. A Hawthorns-stlye windbreak would be a start, but just a few more exec boxes like Barnsley or Derby would be better Barnsley... Derby... Didn't we try and get permission for windshields around 6 years ago ? Yes, and it was refused - although it was more than 6 years ago. To be fair, I don't think the council were against a windshield - it was the advertising we wanted to put on it that they objected to.
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Post by pretzel on Feb 19, 2017 9:39:18 GMT
Barnsley... They could have saved themselves a packet by just standing that bloke in the corner
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 19, 2017 9:39:40 GMT
re the messy North-West corner, it's be nice if something was done, even if the club don't feel the need to fill it in. A Hawthorns-stlye windbreak would be a start, but just a few more exec boxes like Barnsley or Derby would be better Barnsley... Derby... Didn't we try and get permission for windshields around 6 years ago ? Yeah - they got planning permission EIGHT years ago. But we didn't go ahead because we claimed without big advertising banners on them (which the council deemed incongruous), they wouldn't be commercially viable. Seemed a bit of a joke then - and certainly is now The Pride Park solution seems perfect for the NW corner.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2017 9:40:21 GMT
You have pretty much described what I posted higher up the thread. Just 2 things to add - the 2 final corners would take the capacity to about 35,000. The chances of needing extra capacity beyond that are slim. But, if there was a need, we would be better enlarging the Booth End as it is to the north and blocks less light from the pitch. The other point is that when the south west corner is developed it would probably be necessary to provide a permanent shop in a separate building as you would otherwise have to keep the shop small to avoid making the concourse too small. The shop should be where the players' car park is as that would need moving when the changing rooms move to the other end of the stadium. Yes good idea. Build an tier above the present and stick the visitors in the stratosphere as at Newcastle and Sunderland. The rules are changing - from next season at least some of the away fans have to be pitch side. What Newcastle and Sunderland do will simply not be allowed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 19, 2017 9:51:11 GMT
planning.stoke.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=details&keyVal=_STOKE_DCAPR_55235Planning permission for windbreak between Boothen and West stand was granted on 23rd February 2009! STOKE City supporters will have to stay out in the cold after plans for a giant windbreak at the Britannia Stadium were blown away.
Club bosses wanted to shelter freezing fans from gusts through the open corners of the ground by building a 50-foot high steel shield between the Boothen End and the West Stand.
And they thought that they were onto a winner when Stoke-on-Trent City Council planners waved the proposal through last month.
But the idea has now been scrapped after council officials refused permission for advertising banners to be placed on the structure – which was how the Potters planned to pay for it.
Planning chiefs said the banners, which would have measured 39.6 feet by 132 feet, would be "incongruous".
And the club, which has refused to say how much the windbreak would have cost, says without advertising the scheme would not be commercially viable.
Head of development Richard Smith said: "Without the advertising revenue we have no means of paying for the structure.
"Advertising was our means of justifying the expenditure and without it we can't go ahead.
"It's disappointing, but it's just one of those things and we have to take on board the views of the council."
Council officials said the refusal was because "the proposed advertisement hoarding, by reason of size and prominent location, would result in an incongruous structure to the detriment of visual amenity in the wider vicinity".
In The Sentinel in March, Mr Smith described how swirling winds inside the ground could interfere with play.
And he has now added that the Potters will look at alternative ways to reduce the wind.
Mr Smith said: "We will look at the investigation work we have already done and try to find other solutions. We could, for example, fill in the corners with more seating areas."
Stoke City supporters' club chairman Brian Shaw believes fans will be disappointed at the council's decision.
He said: "I can't see the problem when the whole ground is full of advertising all the way round.
"It does get very cold in there and fans were excited about the possibility of it being warmer. It seems silly to refuse the plans."
Councillor Adrian Knapper, the council's portfolio holder for regeneration and economic development, said planners were happy with the windbreak idea.
But he added: "When it came to advertising consent, the city council was concerned about the amount and large scale of advertising requested – with the proposal for the whole of the structure to be covered in advertisements.
"It is important that any advertising is in keeping with the design and scale of the windbreak. The city council is happy to work with the football club to come to a decision which is favourable for both parties."
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Feb 19, 2017 10:19:20 GMT
You have pretty much described what I posted higher up the thread. Just 2 things to add - the 2 final corners would take the capacity to about 35,000. The chances of needing extra capacity beyond that are slim. But, if there was a need, we would be better enlarging the Booth End as it is to the north and blocks less light from the pitch. The other point is that when the south west corner is developed it would probably be necessary to provide a permanent shop in a separate building as you would otherwise have to keep the shop small to avoid making the concourse too small. The shop should be where the players' car park is as that would need moving when the changing rooms move to the other end of the stadium. Yes good idea. Build an tier above the present and stick the visitors in the stratosphere as at Newcastle and Sunderland. Wouldn't be possible as of next season don't all prem clubs have to have an away section that's close to the pitch. Doesn't really affect many clubs bar united, Sunderland and Newcastle when they come up.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2017 10:25:05 GMT
Yes good idea. Build an tier above the present and stick the visitors in the stratosphere as at Newcastle and Sunderland. Wouldn't be possible as of next season don't all prem clubs have to have an away section that's close to the pitch. Doesn't really affect many clubs bar united, Sunderland and Newcastle when they come up. Man Utd threatened to move the away fans to an upper tier a few years back but never went through with the plan - at least I don't think they did. They certainly didn't on our visits.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 19, 2017 10:28:15 GMT
So they actually have said they're struggling to find the footing then?
That's hilarious.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 19, 2017 10:33:51 GMT
re the messy North-West corner, it's be nice if something was done, even if the club don't feel the need to fill it in. A Hawthorns-stlye windbreak would be a start, but just a few more exec boxes like Barnsley or Derby would be better Barnsley... Derby... I didn't know Harry Potter's uncle was a Barnsley fan.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 19, 2017 10:43:24 GMT
The next logical step would be to build a stadium that is suitable for a premier league club and leave the brit!
We could build it on that wasteland in stoke town centre. The brit could be turned into a big car park
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 19, 2017 11:16:49 GMT
We should be making hay while the sun is shining.
I've said it before, it's ridiculous that we still have a ground that on its day is almost impossible to play football in due to the swirling wind and rain created by the empty corners. It's taken way too long to sort the scoreboard corner. At the very least, they should have put windbreaks up to protect the others.
It would create a better environment for the fans, who have to suffer the elements throughout winter. I suppose those in the Ivory towers aren't arsed about that though, from the comfort of their executive boxes.
The finances are there. There's no excuse.
And yet you still get fans falling over themselves to praise the club for how they treat us.
I remember their lack of response when the concourse turned into ice rinks.
They just seem reluctant to spend money on things that benefit the fans and the matchday experience.
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Post by simple on Feb 19, 2017 11:23:21 GMT
The next logical step would be to build a stadium that is suitable for a premier league club and leave the brit! We could build it on that wasteland in stoke town centre. The brit could be turned into a big car park And who would pay for it,there are Pepole on this board moaning that season tickets have only been frozen.The traffic in Stoke town centre is a nightmare without a extra 30000.And if my memory serves me right which I am sure the keyboard warriors will check.When we were in Stoke with the best Stoke team on record we averaged 23000.So history says our ground size is about right.And those of us who can remember standing on Church street waiting for buses or waiting to getting off the Butler st carpark,things are no worse at Bet 365 than they were at the Vic .Remember most Attendances at the Vic were under 15000.The best modern stadium is the Stadium of Light due to its location,most other new stadium are outside city centres,due to planning and cost.I would say to move would cost 250-300 million.After 2018 sky money will be cut ,as the next deal will be much lower.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2017 11:24:08 GMT
We should be making hay while the sun is shining. I've said it before, it's ridiculous that we still have a ground that on its day is almost impossible to play football in due to the swirling wind and rain created by the empty corners. It's taken way too long to sort the scoreboard corner. At the very least, they should have put windbreaks up to protect the others. It would create a better environment for the fans, who have to suffer the elements throughout winter. I suppose those in the Ivory towers aren't arsed about that though, from the comfort of their executive boxes. The finances are there. There's no excuse. And yet you still get fans falling over themselves to praise the club for how they treat us. I remember their lack of response when the concourse turned into ice rinks. They just seem reluctant to spend money on things that benefit the fans and the matchday experience. Correct. They rest on their laurels too much and aren't pushed by the fans. We could fill a 35K stadium piece of piss IMHO.
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Post by orfyboothen on Feb 19, 2017 11:24:43 GMT
We should be making hay while the sun is shining. I've said it before, it's ridiculous that we still have a ground that on its day is almost impossible to play football in due to the swirling wind and rain created by the empty corners. It's taken way too long to sort the scoreboard corner. At the very least, they should have put windbreaks up to protect the others. It would create a better environment for the fans, who have to suffer the elements throughout winter. I suppose those in the Ivory towers aren't arsed about that though, from the comfort of their executive boxes. The finances are there. There's no excuse. And yet you still get fans falling over themselves to praise the club for how they treat us. I remember their lack of response when the concourse turned into ice rinks. They just seem reluctant to spend money on things that benefit the fans and the matchday experience. Man United fans hate how unwelcoming our ground is ... for that reason alone I say keep it how it is and let the cold winds blow!
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 19, 2017 11:28:01 GMT
We should be making hay while the sun is shining. I've said it before, it's ridiculous that we still have a ground that on its day is almost impossible to play football in due to the swirling wind and rain created by the empty corners. It's taken way too long to sort the scoreboard corner. At the very least, they should have put windbreaks up to protect the others. It would create a better environment for the fans, who have to suffer the elements throughout winter. I suppose those in the Ivory towers aren't arsed about that though, from the comfort of their executive boxes. The finances are there. There's no excuse. And yet you still get fans falling over themselves to praise the club for how they treat us. I remember their lack of response when the concourse turned into ice rinks. They just seem reluctant to spend money on things that benefit the fans and the matchday experience. Man United fans hate how unwelcoming our ground is ... for that reason alone I say keep it how it is and let the cold winds blow! It doesn't lend itself to the better ilk of footballer though, does it? We need to make our minds up whether we want to remain with the old ways of thinking (backs to wall, team full of grafters etc) or whether we do want to pursue a better calibre of player. I'm sure the Arnie's, Shaqiri's and Affelay's of this world absolutely hate it. It's all very small-time for me.
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Post by march4 on Feb 19, 2017 17:55:01 GMT
I've been talking about the club moving the dressing rooms and offices to the other corner of the main stand (by the Boothen End) for years. It seems the most logical thing to do. The current dressing rooms are more Crewe or Vale than Premier League.
The present office buildings could see an expanded club shop and then with a little imagination there are all sorts of other possibilities, including renting the space to other businesses.
I would have preferred to see this corner filled rather than messing about with the score board corner, which I feel is being done only for aesthetic reasons and won't make any significant improvement to the club.
Once this was done, my next project would be extending the concourses at the back of the Boothen.
Only after both of these projects were overseen would I even think about the scoreboard corner.
Imagine the ground as a horseshoe with the Boothen at its centre, the tunnel by the Boothen and the away fans in the stand left isolated.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 19, 2017 18:11:09 GMT
Barnsley... They could have saved themselves a packet by just standing that bloke in the corner Yeah, You fat bastard, you fat bastard !!.😀
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2017 19:32:54 GMT
Barnsley... They could have saved themselves a packet by just standing that bloke in the corner Yeah, You fat bastard, you fat bastard !!.😀 I assume he is the guy who is advertising his business on the yellow hoardings. If so it should be "Large Dimensions" shouldn't it?
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 19, 2017 19:38:30 GMT
Yeah, You fat bastard, you fat bastard !!.😀 I assume he is the guy who is advertising his business on the yellow hoardings. If so it should be "Large Dimensions" shouldn't it? Well spotted, lol 👍
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 19, 2017 19:42:03 GMT
"Large Dimensions" indeed. And that's after he has been reduced by 21.99% !
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 19, 2017 19:51:03 GMT
Even something like that does make a big difference...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 19:53:43 GMT
Even something like that does make a big difference... You're making a great point here FM. Never really noticed the Barnsley one before and never noticed how nice the Derby one looked.
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