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Post by GoBoks on Jan 17, 2017 21:30:18 GMT
Oh for heavens sake. If you can't see the difference between "loving" compared to "paying respect" and "showing appreciation" where it is due, then you really do not have a clue. Pulis saved us from tumbling down again - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to Prem - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis kept us up against tremendous odds - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to FA Cup Final - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis took us into Europe - Fact -Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Hmmm, how should I show my appreciation? I know let me throw shit at his statue! Why? Because he didn't play in the manner I wanted him to play. Showing appreciation for what figures in our past have done for the club, does not mean they were perfect or we agreed with everything they did, but they still deserve our appreciation. I tend not to respect people like Pulis whatever you say and whatever he does to try to make him feel better about himself, surprised you never tagged that on (his charity stuff) Jimmy Saville did loads of charity stuff too I don't respect him either. Pulis is a vile, devious, dishonest, divisive toad. 1 bag of shit would not suffice, I'd mix brake fluid in it too. Thankfully nobody at the club is daft enough to erect a statue of such a divisive individual. I couldn't give a stuff about his charity work or anything else he did or does. Without him, Stoke would not be where we are. For that I am ever grateful abnd respect what he has accomplished. You seem to be more concerned about your own opinion of how he set up his team and/or other activities. For me it's all about what is/was good for Stoke. And he most certainly was, one of Stoke's top 5 managers ever. But hey, go shit in a bag and throw it at him. How you treat other people is a good reflection of yourself.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 17, 2017 21:45:49 GMT
I tend not to respect people like Pulis whatever you say and whatever he does to try to make him feel better about himself, surprised you never tagged that on (his charity stuff) Jimmy Saville did loads of charity stuff too I don't respect him either. Pulis is a vile, devious, dishonest, divisive toad. 1 bag of shit would not suffice, I'd mix brake fluid in it too. Thankfully nobody at the club is daft enough to erect a statue of such a divisive individual. I couldn't give a stuff about his charity work or anything else he did or does. Without him, Stoke would not be where we are. For that I am ever grateful abnd respect what he has accomplished. You seem to be more concerned about your own opinion of how he set up his team and/or other activities. For me it's all about what is/was good for Stoke. And he most certainly was, one of Stoke's top 5 managers ever. But hey, go shit in a bag and throw it at him. How you treat other people is a good reflection of yourself. Simply not true to say we wouldn't be where we are without Pulis, without Coates's money we wouldn't be where we are now, no co-incidence that the two managers who have had millions to spend are amongst the most successful. Not to say Pulis and Hughes haven't done good jobs but both are some way off turning water into wine territory.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 17, 2017 21:54:36 GMT
Jimmy Saville being used to belittle Pulis. That's a new one!
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2017 10:41:45 GMT
I couldn't give a stuff about his charity work or anything else he did or does. Without him, Stoke would not be where we are. For that I am ever grateful abnd respect what he has accomplished. You seem to be more concerned about your own opinion of how he set up his team and/or other activities. For me it's all about what is/was good for Stoke. And he most certainly was, one of Stoke's top 5 managers ever. But hey, go shit in a bag and throw it at him. How you treat other people is a good reflection of yourself. Simply not true to say we wouldn't be where we are without Pulis, without Coates's money we wouldn't be where we are now, no co-incidence that the two managers who have had millions to spend are amongst the most successful. Not to say Pulis and Hughes haven't done good jobs but both are some way off turning water into wine territory. Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve.
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2017 11:36:34 GMT
Pulis is old news, but deserves credit.
Hughes also deserves credit for improving (and continuing to improve) on what Pulis helped to achieve.
Comparing the two however is simply a waste of time and doesn't achieve anything.
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Post by alster on Jan 18, 2017 11:51:15 GMT
Simply not true to say we wouldn't be where we are without Pulis, without Coates's money we wouldn't be where we are now, no co-incidence that the two managers who have had millions to spend are amongst the most successful. Not to say Pulis and Hughes haven't done good jobs but both are some way off turning water into wine territory. Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with.
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2017 12:06:57 GMT
Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. We were washing around in the wilderness between the old divisions 2 and 3 for nearly a quarter of a century before at the 18th attempt we finally happened upon a manager to take take us back to the promised land and glory be he kept us there, long enough to build up the finances to afford the flamboyant and expensively assembled side we have today. Oh and he threw in the only FA Cup Final in the clubs 150 year history which led to that rite of passage a lengthy Europa league campaign for so many young fans. If you don't think that's worthy of gratitude and respect you must be crackers, why don't you just quit the grand standing and admit it, you'd feel better for it afterwards. If it helps you feel better you can still say 'but I don't like him', that's fine too
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Post by alster on Jan 18, 2017 12:11:46 GMT
Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. We were washing around in the wilderness between the old divisions 2 and 3 for nearly a quarter of a century before at the 18th attempt we finally happened upon a manager to take take us back to the promised land and glory be he kept us there, long enough to build up the finances to afford the flamboyant and expensively assembled side we have today. Oh and he threw in the only FA Cup Final in the clubs 150 year history which led to that rite of passage a lengthy Europa league campaign. If you don't think that's worthy of gratitude and respect you must be crackers, why don't you just stop the grand standing and admit, you'd feel better afterwards. Why don't you just accept he was never universally popular with our fans it isn't just a me thing. He's not the sort of person you erect a statue of because there is a significant sector of your supporters/customers/audience who hate his guts, always have and always will.
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2017 12:35:17 GMT
We were washing around in the wilderness between the old divisions 2 and 3 for nearly a quarter of a century before at the 18th attempt we finally happened upon a manager to take take us back to the promised land and glory be he kept us there, long enough to build up the finances to afford the flamboyant and expensively assembled side we have today. Oh and he threw in the only FA Cup Final in the clubs 150 year history which led to that rite of passage a lengthy Europa league campaign. If you don't think that's worthy of gratitude and respect you must be crackers, why don't you just stop the grand standing and admit, you'd feel better afterwards. Why don't you just accept he was never universally popular with our fans it isn't just a me thing. He's not the sort of person you erect a statue of because there is a significant sector of your supporters/customers/audience who hate his guts, always have and always will. Oh I see, I don't much care if people like the manager or not, we haven't hired him to be universally popular, it's not a beauty pageant, it's about getting the job done and Mr. Pulis achieved that in spades, like no other for a generation.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 18, 2017 12:37:36 GMT
We were washing around in the wilderness between the old divisions 2 and 3 for nearly a quarter of a century before at the 18th attempt we finally happened upon a manager to take take us back to the promised land and glory be he kept us there, long enough to build up the finances to afford the flamboyant and expensively assembled side we have today. Oh and he threw in the only FA Cup Final in the clubs 150 year history which led to that rite of passage a lengthy Europa league campaign. If you don't think that's worthy of gratitude and respect you must be crackers, why don't you just stop the grand standing and admit, you'd feel better afterwards. Why don't you just accept he was never universally popular with our fans it isn't just a me thing. He's not the sort of person you erect a statue of because there is a significant sector of your supporters/customers/audience who hate his guts, always have and always will. Dear god. I hope you don't go around thinking many Stoke supporters share the rather unfortunate views you expressed above. It simply isn't the case.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 18, 2017 12:50:01 GMT
I can't believe Pulis comes up in arguments FOUR YEARS AFTER HE LEFT.
Y'all bitches need to move on.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2017 12:50:09 GMT
Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. Ok They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. Lou was well loved, but did he really "walk on water"? What exactly did he win? Can he be compared to true "walk on water" managers like SAF or any of the managers whose trophy cabinets are literally overflowing? As mentioned before, you seem to be self absorbed in what you think, what you like, what you want, regardless of how that impacts the club. For me, Waddo, Lou, TP, Hughes ( the Fab Four), are all right up there in Stoke City folklore and deserve our respect and appreciation. Now people like Brian Little, Steve Cotterill, the jerk who changed his mind before the press conference unveiling him, etc, I can perfectly understand how they deserve abuse for what they did to Stoke. But c'mon, surely you are not suggesting for one moment that simple because you don't like him, anyone of the Fab Four deserves abuse?
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Post by alster on Jan 18, 2017 12:51:33 GMT
Why don't you just accept he was never universally popular with our fans it isn't just a me thing. He's not the sort of person you erect a statue of because there is a significant sector of your supporters/customers/audience who hate his guts, always have and always will. Dear god. I hope you don't go around thinking many Stoke supporters share the rather unfortunate views you expressed above. It simply isn't the case. You don't think a significant section of Stoke fans can't stand Tony Pulis. How long have you been under that brick.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2017 12:52:35 GMT
I can't believe Pulis comes up in arguments FOUR YEARS AFTER HE LEFT. Y'all bitches need to move on. WAddo comes up in discussions as well. And sometimes if you look carefully you'll even see mention of people like Sir Stan come up. If you read the posts, it's not a desire to have any of them back, merely a yardstick for performance.
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Post by alster on Jan 18, 2017 12:55:22 GMT
Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. Ok They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. Lou was well loved, but did he really "walk on water"? What exactly did he win? Can he be compared to true "walk on water" managers like SAF or any of the managers whose trophy cabinets are literally overflowing? As mentioned before, you seem to be self absorbed in what you think, what you like, what you want, regardless of how that impacts the club. For me, Waddo, Lou, TP, Hughes ( the Fab Four), are all right up there in Stoke City folklore and deserve our respect and appreciation. Now people like Brian Little, Steve Cotterill, the jerk who changed his mind before the press conference unveiling him, etc, I can perfectly understand how they deserve abuse for what they did to Stoke. But c'mon, surely you are not suggesting for one moment that simple because you don't like him, anyone of the Fab Four deserves abuse? I don't just not like him I detest the man with a passion. Nothing you could possibly say would change my mind and whether you or wuzza or anyone else care to protest there are a good many Stoke fans who feel the same.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 18, 2017 12:57:59 GMT
I can't believe Pulis comes up in arguments FOUR YEARS AFTER HE LEFT. Y'all bitches need to move on. WAddo comes up in discussions as well. And sometimes if you look carefully you'll even see mention of people like Sir Stan come up. If you read the posts, it's not a desire to have any of them back, merely a yardstick for performance. More like a shitstick just to beat Hughes or Pulis with (depending on which camp you're in).
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Post by alster on Jan 18, 2017 13:02:39 GMT
WAddo comes up in discussions as well. And sometimes if you look carefully you'll even see mention of people like Sir Stan come up. If you read the posts, it's not a desire to have any of them back, merely a yardstick for performance. More like a shitstick just to beat Hughes or Pulis with (depending on which camp you're in). What happens if you're not in a camp at all. I'm the founder member of the Lucien Favre camp I think I've noticed I have one other member posting. Its not a crowded camp theres plenty of space to wander around freely.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 18, 2017 13:05:07 GMT
Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. As far as I was aware Pulis was only outspent by Man C and Chelsea over a five year period, spending around £90 million in the process, and still the 'football' was, by and large, shit.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 18, 2017 13:09:58 GMT
Why don't you just accept he was never universally popular with our fans it isn't just a me thing. He's not the sort of person you erect a statue of because there is a significant sector of your supporters/customers/audience who hate his guts, always have and always will. Dear god. I hope you don't go around thinking many Stoke supporters share the rather unfortunate views you expressed above. It simply isn't the case. Depends how you define 'many', I certainly know a few. Didn't affect my view of him but he certainly did his popularity in general no favours with his antics on his return.
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Post by stone6 on Jan 18, 2017 13:10:56 GMT
Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. As far as I was aware Pulis was only outspent by Man C and Chelsea over a five year period, spending around £90 million in the process, and still the 'football' was, by and large, shit. You talk about Pulis's spending but fundementally he put the spine in the team that still exists. Crouch, Walters, Whelan, Shawcross & Adam were all Pulis signings. Whatever style you play you still need players like these in your squad, and Hughes clearly agrees or they would have gone the same way as others like Huth, Wilson etc
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Post by elystokie on Jan 18, 2017 13:13:11 GMT
As far as I was aware Pulis was only outspent by Man C and Chelsea over a five year period, spending around £90 million in the process, and still the 'football' was, by and large, shit. You talk about Pulis's spending but fundementally he put the spine in the team that still exists. Crouch, Walters, Whelan, Shawcross & Adam were all Pulis signings. Whatever style you play you still need players like these in your squad, and Hughes clearly agrees or they would have gone the same way as others like Huth, Wilson etc But it can hardly be argued he 'did it on a shoestring' can it?
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2017 13:28:17 GMT
Lou was well loved, but did he really "walk on water"? What exactly did he win? Can he be compared to true "walk on water" managers like SAF or any of the managers whose trophy cabinets are literally overflowing? As mentioned before, you seem to be self absorbed in what you think, what you like, what you want, regardless of how that impacts the club. For me, Waddo, Lou, TP, Hughes ( the Fab Four), are all right up there in Stoke City folklore and deserve our respect and appreciation. Now people like Brian Little, Steve Cotterill, the jerk who changed his mind before the press conference unveiling him, etc, I can perfectly understand how they deserve abuse for what they did to Stoke. But c'mon, surely you are not suggesting for one moment that simple because you don't like him, anyone of the Fab Four deserves abuse? I don't just not like him I detest the man with a passion. Nothing you could possibly say would change my mind and whether you or wuzza or anyone else care to protest there are a good many Stoke fans who feel the same. Possibly, but an overwhelming majority who, whether they like him (or any of our great managers) or not, appreciate what he did for Stoke.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 18, 2017 13:35:52 GMT
Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. As far as I was aware Pulis was only outspent by Man C and Chelsea over a five year period, spending around £90 million in the process, and still the 'football' was, by and large, shit. or about 18 Million a season. Wow! Liverpool, ManU, and a host of others spent less than that? Something doesn't sound right. But, regardless of how much he spent vs some other bloke/team, who cares? He kept us up and built the groundwork and now Hughes has built further transforming us into a top ten Premier League Team! Who in their right mind at the start of the 2006/2007 season would have even dreamed that we would be here. Probably more importantly, at that time, who, if offered 3 top ten Prem finishes in a row, plus an FA Cup final and placed 9th again in mid January, would have turned that down? Yet here we are with people denigrating the 2 managers who brought us here. As the thread title says ... Enough Already! If you're not enjoying the trip, get off the bus!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 18, 2017 13:42:08 GMT
Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. As a point of order, our budget was huge by our standards but absolutely nowhere near one that warranted automatic promotion.
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2017 13:54:07 GMT
Lou Macari. Not the same level of success but almost universally adored by the fans. His apporoach was not one of finesse but his sides attacked, scored goals and always tried to win. His teams excited and entertained us. PS Pulis' promotion winning budget was very very competitive in that league. Just because he didn't lash out huge transfer fee's people have this concept he did it on a shoestring. They are wrong, we were one of the highest spenders, the money went on wages, loan fees and agents fee's. It was way in excess of what previous managers had had to work with. As a point of order, our budget was huge by our standards but absolutely nowhere near one that warranted automatic promotion. We paid £1m for Ryan and £1.2m for Leon Cort in the January of our promotion in May and they were our records at the time breaking the £650,000 we paid for Brynar Gunnarsson way back in 1999. We got promoted on what was a chunk of change by todays standards and was modest even at the time by the standards of our competitors, automatic promotion was a fine achievement no matter how you cut it.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 18, 2017 13:54:51 GMT
Simply not true to say we wouldn't be where we are without Pulis, without Coates's money we wouldn't be where we are now, no co-incidence that the two managers who have had millions to spend are amongst the most successful. Not to say Pulis and Hughes haven't done good jobs but both are some way off turning water into wine territory. Anyone of us on here can name multiple managers, who given money to spend have failed. Pulis did not have a huge war chest to get us up, nor did anyone outside Stoke expect him to keep us up. Say what you will, He and Hughes are the men who achieved the successes above. Look through history, Do people say Matt Busby was a great manager or do they say (does anyone even remember who owned them) Louis Edwards was a great Chairman? As far as "walk on water" name even one single Stoke manager who did. These guys deserve our gratitude and respect for what they have helped Stoke achieve. Indeed just as we can give a list of managers who have succeeded without being given money, it's a lot longer list for those managers not given money who fail though. My point was though that without Coates's money we would not be where we are now regardless of who managed us which is quite a neat bit of symmetry because we were where we were when he came back largely due to him not putting money in...... As for your Matt Busby point 5 league championships, 2 FA Cups and a European Cup does tend to outrank an away defeat for the reserves at Valencia.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2017 13:55:30 GMT
For me Pulis and Hughes have both done a great job for Stoke.
Putting aside the negative aspects of their residencies as managers, Pulis took us from relative oblivion of 13th place in the Championship to a reasonably secure mid table position on the world stage of the Prem and along the way got to a FA Cup final and qualified for Europe. Hughes has cemented our position in the Prem with a top half place and played more attractive football. Both managers have achieved that by bringing quality players to the club.
Let's stop looking back and look forward. Personally I don't see any obvious candidate who could do a better job at the moment than Hughes and those who do should say so. It seems to me that he has lost patience with some players he has given every opportunity to make their mark and is now wanting to move on. He clearly believes Berahino will fit into his team; I don't know, but I do think Hughes has enough credit "in the bank" to be given time and finance to keep trying to improve the club. If we can close some deals this window, we have every chance of achieving our highest position for 42 years.
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 18, 2017 14:05:50 GMT
I couldn't give a stuff about his charity work or anything else he did or does. Without him, Stoke would not be where we are. For that I am ever grateful abnd respect what he has accomplished. You seem to be more concerned about your own opinion of how he set up his team and/or other activities. For me it's all about what is/was good for Stoke. And he most certainly was, one of Stoke's top 5 managers ever. But hey, go shit in a bag and throw it at him. How you treat other people is a good reflection of yourself. Simply not true to say we wouldn't be where we are without Pulis, without Coates's money we wouldn't be where we are now, no co-incidence that the two managers who have had millions to spend are amongst the most successful. Not to say Pulis and Hughes haven't done good jobs but both are some way off turning water into wine territory. oh come on, it's more than a little disingenuous to try to separate financial backing from managerial success. plenty of managers have in this league with even better backing
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2017 14:08:14 GMT
For me Pulis and Hughes have both done a great job for Stoke. Putting aside the negative aspects of their residencies as managers, Pulis took us from relative oblivion of 13th place in the Championship to a reasonably secure mid table position on the world stage of the Prem and along the way got to a FA Cup final and qualified for Europe. Hughes has cemented our position in the Prem with a top half place and played more attractive football. Both managers have achieved that by bringing quality players to the club. Let's stop looking back and look forward. Personally I don't see any obvious candidate who could do a better job at the moment than Hughes and those who do should say so. It seems to me that he has lost patience with some players he has given every opportunity to make their mark and is now wanting to move on. He clearly believes Berahino will fit into his team; I don't know, but I do think Hughes has enough credit "in the bank" to be given time and finance to keep trying to improve the club. If we can close some deals this window, we have every chance of achieving our highest position for 42 years. Yes, take the emotion out of it and that's how it is. In fact that is exactly what Peter Coates said to Adrian Chiles on Radio 5 the week before last, we are fortunate, we have sort stability and have made 2 good managerial appointments in a row.
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 18, 2017 14:15:48 GMT
I don't just not like him I detest the man with a passion. Nothing you could possibly say would change my mind and whether you or wuzza or anyone else care to protest there are a good many Stoke fans who feel the same. Possibly, but an overwhelming majority who, whether they like him (or any of our great managers) or not, appreciate what he did for Stoke. that's my experiece - people need to remember that this place it NOT reflective of the wider support
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