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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 16, 2017 17:01:54 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids You didn't answer my question earlier mate,did you send him a card😄
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 16, 2017 17:06:13 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Well done, you've manage to strangle the life out of another thread with your shit.
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Post by werrington on Jan 16, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Constructive being very much the word Ryan There's nothing constructive about anything you say regards Mark Hughes and it's not natural ....you continually knock him, his players and his transfer targets which is not natural or normal...is there anything you actually like about him ? Couple that with when we win it's negativity beyond belief because of the corner you've put yourself in and desperately don't want to lose face Each to their own but please don't turn this around into an everybody is against you plot
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Post by eastyorksexile on Jan 16, 2017 18:19:14 GMT
I can just imagine the hysteria on here after the man ure game, it will be carnage for Hughes, what the fook does everyone expect. I am a long term sufferer since 1965 and have seen all of the lows and a few highs, so let's just get behind the team and I am happy with another 9th, what else can we really expect........
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 16, 2017 18:32:56 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Come on Ryan, admit you're talking shite and I'll pm you Toxic's mobile number. Just imagine the fun you two could have together.
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Post by RAF on Jan 16, 2017 18:37:13 GMT
Just what has this board come to? ;) O_o Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys :D . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Bye then! H
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 16, 2017 18:41:28 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Piss yer self off then owd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
Just what has this board come to? Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Great news! Bye ...
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 16, 2017 18:57:46 GMT
Right smart arse 1) you're deluded thoughts won't allow you to see that hughes added to what pulis did. How you talk you'd have people believe he dod it all himself. Pulis didnt add to it because pulis wasn't here to do so so your point is invalid. 2) the football is shit however that is a matter of opinion, pulis' best in a 5-0 cup semi final at wembley is better than hughes' best ( which is as rare and as infrequent as rocking horse shit), for me. 3) whats more important top 9 or a cup & european football? 4) considering how long he's had from a solid footing his success is not that great and for the umpteenth time pulis was establishg the club and hughes took control of a finished article, you have to be some kind of numpty not to appreciate that, however, why am i not suprised. 5) the form and football has been shit for a long time ( months) at any other club he'd of been gone. 6) inept line ups & tactics ( seee matchday team threads for general opinion. 7) his in game subs on the whole are shite. 8) 7 out of 10 of his transfers are shit. 9) if doing such a fantastic job and he is a class above our previous manager why has no one come in for him? 10) pick the bones out of that because its all bang on wether you like it or not Next three years? You and he will be lucky I have nearly as many gripes with Hughes as you do, where your argument completely falls apart is your constantly unfavourably comparing him to Pulis. The football at home has been poor in the main for a long time, over a year. Its still better than Pulis produced and its still set about with a better attitude of trying to win the game rather than being too scared of losing it to try. Hughes hit and miss rates on transfer are very comparable, plenty of bad, some solid and some actually blinding deals. You say no one has come in for him but thats in three and a half years, the manager you claim is better was here for ten in two spells and no one came in for him. Dang! So much for trying to keep responses to a minimum. When the hell will Stoke fans stop ripping to shreds 2 of the top 5 Managers Stoke has ever had? Pulis saved us from tumbling back into the third level. Good Job! He got us into the Prem, a feat most of us had almost given up hope of seeing. Fantastic Job! He kept us there against all odds, Incredible Job! He got us to the FA Cup Final, Amazing Job, Something NO Stoke Manager has ever achieved before. Our first foray into Europe in almost 40 years. Excellent! One of our top 5 managers ever! Without a doubt! Hughes took over an established team of cloggers, he brought in some excellent players and changed our style while achieving 9th place in the Prem, our highest placing ever in the Prem and our highest in the top flight for 39 years. Great Job! He kept us in the top ten for 3 years in a row. Something that No Stoke manager has ever achieved before. Incredible job! Throw in only our 3rd League Cup semi-final ever. Wonderful! One of our top 5 Managers ever! Without a doubt! But on here we are treated to fans harping on and on and on and on about how crap Pulis is/was, how crap Hughes is/was. Stoke beat Bolton 5-0 therefore Pulis is better. Stoke beat Liverpool 6-1 therefore Hughes is better. Stoke lost 7-0 to Chelsea therefore Pulis is crap. Stoke have had a slew of games conceding 4 goals therefore Hughes is crap. Pulis bought Crouch therefore Pulis is crap, Hughes bought Imbula therefore Hughes is crap. These 2 men, along with Peter Coates, have hauled us out of the dark ages and deserve nothing but respect and gratitude from every single Stokie!
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Post by alster on Jan 16, 2017 19:11:15 GMT
I have nearly as many gripes with Hughes as you do, where your argument completely falls apart is your constantly unfavourably comparing him to Pulis. The football at home has been poor in the main for a long time, over a year. Its still better than Pulis produced and its still set about with a better attitude of trying to win the game rather than being too scared of losing it to try. Hughes hit and miss rates on transfer are very comparable, plenty of bad, some solid and some actually blinding deals. You say no one has come in for him but thats in three and a half years, the manager you claim is better was here for ten in two spells and no one came in for him. Dang! So much for trying to keep responses to a minimum. When the hell will Stoke fans stop ripping to shreds 2 of the top 5 Managers Stoke has ever had? Pulis saved us from tumbling back into the third level. Good Job! He got us into the Prem, a feat most of us had almost given up hope of seeing. Fantastic Job! He kept us there against all odds, Incredible Job! He got us to the FA Cup Final, Amazing Job, Something NO Stoke Manager has ever achieved before. Our first foray into Europe in almost 40 years. Excellent! One of our top 5 managers ever! Without a doubt! Hughes took over an established team of cloggers, he brought in some excellent players and changed our style while achieving 9th place in the Prem, our highest placing ever in the Prem and our highest in the top flight for 39 years. Great Job! He kept us in the top ten for 3 years in a row. Something that No Stoke manager has ever achieved before. Incredible job! Throw in only our 3rd League Cup semi-final ever. Wonderful! One of our top 5 Managers ever! Without a doubt! But on here we are treated to fans harping on and on and on and on about how crap Pulis is/was, how crap Hughes is/was. Stoke beat Bolton 5-0 therefore Pulis is better. Stoke beat Liverpool 6-1 therefore Hughes is better. Stoke lost 7-0 to Chelsea therefore Pulis is crap. Stoke have had a slew of games conceding 4 goals therefore Hughes is crap. Pulis bought Crouch therefore Pulis is crap, Hughes bought Imbula therefore Hughes is crap. These 2 men, along with Peter Coates, have hauled us out of the dark ages and deserve nothing but respect and gratitude from every single Stokie! Hughes is a decent man and decent manager who's got himself into a bit of a bind with the squad he's assembled and is quite fairly having some questions asked about what the hell he's actually doing. Pulis is a dishonest conniving twat who couldn't lie straight in bed.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 16, 2017 19:15:50 GMT
Dang! So much for trying to keep responses to a minimum. When the hell will Stoke fans stop ripping to shreds 2 of the top 5 Managers Stoke has ever had? Pulis saved us from tumbling back into the third level. Good Job! He got us into the Prem, a feat most of us had almost given up hope of seeing. Fantastic Job! He kept us there against all odds, Incredible Job! He got us to the FA Cup Final, Amazing Job, Something NO Stoke Manager has ever achieved before. Our first foray into Europe in almost 40 years. Excellent! One of our top 5 managers ever! Without a doubt! Hughes took over an established team of cloggers, he brought in some excellent players and changed our style while achieving 9th place in the Prem, our highest placing ever in the Prem and our highest in the top flight for 39 years. Great Job! He kept us in the top ten for 3 years in a row. Something that No Stoke manager has ever achieved before. Incredible job! Throw in only our 3rd League Cup semi-final ever. Wonderful! One of our top 5 Managers ever! Without a doubt! But on here we are treated to fans harping on and on and on and on about how crap Pulis is/was, how crap Hughes is/was. Stoke beat Bolton 5-0 therefore Pulis is better. Stoke beat Liverpool 6-1 therefore Hughes is better. Stoke lost 7-0 to Chelsea therefore Pulis is crap. Stoke have had a slew of games conceding 4 goals therefore Hughes is crap. Pulis bought Crouch therefore Pulis is crap, Hughes bought Imbula therefore Hughes is crap. These 2 men, along with Peter Coates, have hauled us out of the dark ages and deserve nothing but respect and gratitude from every single Stokie! Hughes is a decent man and decent manager who's got himself into a bit of a bind with the squad he's assembled and is quite fairly having some questions asked about what the hell he's actually doing. Pulis is a dishonest conniving twat who couldn't lie straight in bed. So no respect for either of them from you even though the record shows that they are both among the top 5 Stoke managers of all time. Nice.
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Post by alster on Jan 16, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
Hughes is a decent man and decent manager who's got himself into a bit of a bind with the squad he's assembled and is quite fairly having some questions asked about what the hell he's actually doing. Pulis is a dishonest conniving twat who couldn't lie straight in bed. So no respect for either of them from you even though the record shows that they are both among the top 5 Stoke managers of all time. Nice. Every respect for Hughes but he's always going to be constantly evaluated and when you actually evaluate every issue instead of 9thFFS three seasons running never achieved before, there are many questions to be answered about his performance the last season and a half. They're all debateable and you present a case for many of my own gripes but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I for one am not satisfied with the answers. A couple of signings and a clearer direction could make a big difference, a more settled approach even if its one I don't like would be calming.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 16, 2017 19:53:35 GMT
So no respect for either of them from you even though the record shows that they are both among the top 5 Stoke managers of all time. Nice. Every respect for Hughes but he's always going to be constantly evaluated and when you actually evaluate every issue instead of 9thFFS three seasons running never achieved before, there are many questions to be answered about his performance the last season and a half. They're all debateable and you present a case for many of my own gripes but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I for one am not satisfied with the answers. A couple of signings and a clearer direction could make a big difference, a more settled approach even if its one I don't like would be calming. Your actions speak louder than your words. Anyone reading the stuff you have posted over the past many months can see clearly you have no respect for Hughes. It's not jsut about asking questions, it's the way you do it. If someone was posting about you the way you post about Hughes, would you think that they were being respectful?
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Post by alster on Jan 16, 2017 19:58:11 GMT
Every respect for Hughes but he's always going to be constantly evaluated and when you actually evaluate every issue instead of 9thFFS three seasons running never achieved before, there are many questions to be answered about his performance the last season and a half. They're all debateable and you present a case for many of my own gripes but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I for one am not satisfied with the answers. A couple of signings and a clearer direction could make a big difference, a more settled approach even if its one I don't like would be calming. Your actions speak louder than your words. Anyone reading the stuff you have posted over the past many months can see clearly you have no respect for Hughes. It's not jsut about asking questions, it's the way you do it. If someone was posting about you the way you post about Hughes, would you think that they were being respectful? Absolutely don't think I've ever posted anything disrespectful about him. I'm critical no more no less.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 16, 2017 20:30:10 GMT
Your actions speak louder than your words. Anyone reading the stuff you have posted over the past many months can see clearly you have no respect for Hughes. It's not jsut about asking questions, it's the way you do it. If someone was posting about you the way you post about Hughes, would you think that they were being respectful? Absolutely don't think I've ever posted anything disrespectful about him. I'm critical no more no less. Just to be sure I understand. If someone: called the decisions you are making bizarre, nonsensical, and irrational ; called your work product dog shite, and fuckwittery of the highest order; called you personally timid, with lack of vision and with no balls; stated that you are ruining your company and have no interest other than your own bonus and are sacrificing the good of your organization for your own purposes; claimed that you are ignoring the will of your employers, are inept, and should be terminated, while listing a range of possible replacements; publicly stated that you are deranged and have lost the plot, are taking the company backwards and show no signs of knowing how to correct your mistakes; Then you would feel that person was being "respectful" to you? 2 points, first before you say anyone can trawl through years of messages, every one of these sentiments comes from you since Jan 1 2017. Second, that still leaves us our other recent top 5 manager whom you have said you would shit in a bag and throw it at his statue if one was ever erected. Respectfully, I assume?
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Post by alster on Jan 16, 2017 20:44:16 GMT
Absolutely don't think I've ever posted anything disrespectful about him. I'm critical no more no less. Just to be sure I understand. If someone: called the decisions you are making bizarre, nonsensical, and irrational ; called your work product dog shite, and fuckwittery of the highest order; called you personally timid, with lack of vision and with no balls; stated that you are ruining your company and have no interest other than your own bonus and are sacrificing the good of your organization for your own purposes; claimed that you are ignoring the will of your employers, are inept, and should be terminated, while listing a range of possible replacements; publicly stated that you are deranged and have lost the plot, are taking the company backwards and show no signs of knowing how to correct your mistakes; Then you would feel that person was being "respectful" to you? 2 points, first before you say anyone can trawl through years of messages, every one of these sentiments comes from you since Jan 1 2017. Second, that still leaves us our other recent top 5 manager whom you have said you would shit in a bag and throw it at his statue if one was ever erected. Respectfully, I assume? On Hughes emotional language I must admit but all used to highlight aspects of his recent management that have been doing my head in all of it would be recent because I gave him the benefit of the doubt for well over a season before I finally decided he had to go. Its not a nice thing to call someone but he can drag me back on side by simply stoping being a fuckwit. With regard to Pulis with no respect at all I would go out of my way to make sure it was the stickiest, sloppiest, stinkiest shit I could muster.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 16, 2017 20:50:37 GMT
Just to be sure I understand. If someone: called the decisions you are making bizarre, nonsensical, and irrational ; called your work product dog shite, and fuckwittery of the highest order; called you personally timid, with lack of vision and with no balls; stated that you are ruining your company and have no interest other than your own bonus and are sacrificing the good of your organization for your own purposes; claimed that you are ignoring the will of your employers, are inept, and should be terminated, while listing a range of possible replacements; publicly stated that you are deranged and have lost the plot, are taking the company backwards and show no signs of knowing how to correct your mistakes; Then you would feel that person was being "respectful" to you? 2 points, first before you say anyone can trawl through years of messages, every one of these sentiments comes from you since Jan 1 2017. Second, that still leaves us our other recent top 5 manager whom you have said you would shit in a bag and throw it at his statue if one was ever erected. Respectfully, I assume? On Hughes emotional language I must admit but all used to highlight aspects of his recent management that have been doing my head in all of it would be recent because I gave him the benefit of the doubt for well over a season before I finally decided he had to go. Its not a nice thing to call someone but he can drag me back on side by simply stoping being a fuckwit. With regard to Pulis with no respect at all I would go out of my way to make sure it was the stickiest, sloppiest, stinkiest shit I could muster. So, no respect to either of 2 of Stoke's top 5 best managers ever. Nice. What team do you support again?
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Post by alster on Jan 17, 2017 8:19:21 GMT
On Hughes emotional language I must admit but all used to highlight aspects of his recent management that have been doing my head in all of it would be recent because I gave him the benefit of the doubt for well over a season before I finally decided he had to go. Its not a nice thing to call someone but he can drag me back on side by simply stoping being a fuckwit. With regard to Pulis with no respect at all I would go out of my way to make sure it was the stickiest, sloppiest, stinkiest shit I could muster. So, no respect to either of 2 of Stoke's top 5 best managers ever. Nice. What team do you support again? Stoke City. I support the club long term not individuals who are just passing through earning a living. We've had managers and players I've liked and disliked and even some both at the same time(Hughes). I don't get giddy over any one. Arnie is currently my favorite player but if he left tomorrow he might as well be dead same with Ric even though he was the one shining light that kept me going during the Pulis years once they're gone there is no affiliation. The guy's in my Avatar are different both one club men of a very similar background to myself I knew people related to them. Bouldy would have been the same but he fucked off to Arsenal, he's not dead I'd still love him to be back at the club, just not sure how it would pan out. Thats why when you ask who would I replace Hughes with you get an answer from the head Lucien Favre not the heart Denis or Bouldy.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 17, 2017 12:40:45 GMT
So, no respect to either of 2 of Stoke's top 5 best managers ever. Nice. What team do you support again? Stoke City. I support the club long term not individuals who are just passing through earning a living. We've had managers and players I've liked and disliked and even some both at the same time(Hughes). I don't get giddy over any one. Arnie is currently my favorite player but if he left tomorrow he might as well be dead same with Ric even though he was the one shining light that kept me going during the Pulis years once they're gone there is no affiliation. The guy's in my Avatar are different both one club men of a very similar background to myself I knew people related to them. Bouldy would have been the same but he fucked off to Arsenal, he's not dead I'd still love him to be back at the club, just not sure how it would pan out. Thats why when you ask who would I replace Hughes with you get an answer from the head Lucien Favre not the heart Denis or Bouldy. So in your eyes, it's all about self gratification, regardless of the impact on Stoke. - I hate Pulis, ( because I think he was boring, sneaky, insert your own adjective and I disagreed with his selections, tactics, insert your own noun ), and would throw shit at his statue even though he has made Stoke better and brought the club to a place where we might not have been if it were not for his achievements. But hey, stuff the club, I hate him and that's all that matters. There is a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and just been downright disrespectful and unappreciative. Personally, I did not want Pulis back. But then I saw what he was starting to achieve and threw my weight wholeheartedly behind him. I did not enjoy his last 18 months and was glad to see him go, but I will forever respect him for what he did for Stoke. If ever I meet him in the street, I will thank him wholeheartedly and with absolutely no qualification. If I walk by his statue, I will stop and explain to my grandchildren that this is the man who brought Stoke back to the Premiership and kept them there against all odds. As another example, Peter Crouch, a great servant for the club, now aging and 1 goal away from achieving a great milestone. You shower abuse and derogatory terms on him and anyone who supports his inclusion. I on the other hand thank him for all he has achieved and am delighted to have had one of the games "statesmen" to play for us. If there is anyway possible that Stoke can help him achieve his milestone without hurting the club significantly, I am all for it. But hey, you carry on slinging shit at everything the club does just because it does not fit "what you would do", for me, I'll keep on supporting the club every step along the way and paying respect for the tremendous effort that so many people have put in to get us where we are today...... which by the way is 9th - YEEEHAH!
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 17, 2017 12:46:47 GMT
Stoke City. I support the club long term not individuals who are just passing through earning a living. We've had managers and players I've liked and disliked and even some both at the same time(Hughes). I don't get giddy over any one. Arnie is currently my favorite player but if he left tomorrow he might as well be dead same with Ric even though he was the one shining light that kept me going during the Pulis years once they're gone there is no affiliation. The guy's in my Avatar are different both one club men of a very similar background to myself I knew people related to them. Bouldy would have been the same but he fucked off to Arsenal, he's not dead I'd still love him to be back at the club, just not sure how it would pan out. Thats why when you ask who would I replace Hughes with you get an answer from the head Lucien Favre not the heart Denis or Bouldy. So in your eyes, it's all about self gratification, regardless of the impact on Stoke. - I hate Pulis, ( because I think he was boring, sneaky, insert your own adjective and I disagreed with his selections, tactics, insert your own noun ), and would throw shit at his statue even though he has made Stoke better and brought the club to a place where we might not have been if it were not for his achievements. But hey, stuff the club, I hate him and that's all that matters. There is a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and just been downright disrespectful and unappreciative. Personally, I did not want Pulis back. But then I saw what he was starting to achieve and threw my weight wholeheartedly behind him. I did not enjoy his last 18 months and was glad to see him go, but I will forever respect him for what he did for Stoke. If ever I meet him in the street, I will thank him wholeheartedly and with absolutely no qualification. If I walk by his statue, I will stop and explain to my grandchildren that this is the man who brought Stoke back to the Premiership and kept them there against all odds. As another example, Peter Crouch, a great servant for the club, now aging and 1 goal away from achieving a great milestone. You shower abuse and derogatory terms on him and anyone who supports his inclusion. I on the other hand thank him for all he has achieved and am delighted to have had one of the games "statesmen" to play for us. If there is anyway possible that Stoke can help him achieve his milestone without hurting the club significantly, I am all for it. But hey, you carry on slinging shit at everything the club does just because it does not fit "what you would do", for me, I'll keep on supporting the club every step along the way and paying respect for the tremendous effort that so many people have put in to get us where we are today...... which by the way is 9th - YEEEHAH! Really enjoyed your last few posts on this thread.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 17, 2017 12:49:00 GMT
Absolutly, the place is full of idiots. Forums are not for everybody, certainly not me. A forum is for constructive discussion wether its for or against current going ons not venting pent up anger in a cowardly manner. There is a rule of thumb on here, have a poster of leslie on your bedroom wall or face the wrath of leslies boys . I'm better than this shit, its for kids Constructive being very much the word Ryan There's nothing constructive about anything you say regards Mark Hughes and it's not natural ....you continually knock him, his players and his transfer targets which is not natural or normal...is there anything you actually like about him ? Couple that with when we win it's negativity beyond belief because of the corner you've put yourself in and desperately don't want to lose face Each to their own but please don't turn this around into an everybody is against you plot Absolutely spot on Werrington. He has backed himself into a corner and is now beginning to look ridiculously silly. I do think that he's in the minority though, thankfully.
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Post by alster on Jan 17, 2017 12:58:06 GMT
Stoke City. I support the club long term not individuals who are just passing through earning a living. We've had managers and players I've liked and disliked and even some both at the same time(Hughes). I don't get giddy over any one. Arnie is currently my favorite player but if he left tomorrow he might as well be dead same with Ric even though he was the one shining light that kept me going during the Pulis years once they're gone there is no affiliation. The guy's in my Avatar are different both one club men of a very similar background to myself I knew people related to them. Bouldy would have been the same but he fucked off to Arsenal, he's not dead I'd still love him to be back at the club, just not sure how it would pan out. Thats why when you ask who would I replace Hughes with you get an answer from the head Lucien Favre not the heart Denis or Bouldy. So in your eyes, it's all about self gratification, regardless of the impact on Stoke. - I hate Pulis, ( because I think he was boring, sneaky, insert your own adjective and I disagreed with his selections, tactics, insert your own noun ), and would throw shit at his statue even though he has made Stoke better and brought the club to a place where we might not have been if it were not for his achievements. But hey, stuff the club, I hate him and that's all that matters. There is a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and just been downright disrespectful and unappreciative. Personally, I did not want Pulis back. But then I saw what he was starting to achieve and threw my weight wholeheartedly behind him. I did not enjoy his last 18 months and was glad to see him go, but I will forever respect him for what he did for Stoke. If ever I meet him in the street, I will thank him wholeheartedly and with absolutely no qualification. If I walk by his statue, I will stop and explain to my grandchildren that this is the man who brought Stoke back to the Premiership and kept them there against all odds. As another example, Peter Crouch, a great servant for the club, now aging and 1 goal away from achieving a great milestone. You shower abuse and derogatory terms on him and anyone who supports his inclusion. I on the other hand thank him for all he has achieved and am delighted to have had one of the games "statesmen" to play for us. If there is anyway possible that Stoke can help him achieve his milestone without hurting the club significantly, I am all for it. But hey, you carry on slinging shit at everything the club does just because it does not fit "what you would do", for me, I'll keep on supporting the club every step along the way and paying respect for the tremendous effort that so many people have put in to get us where we are today...... which by the way is 9th - YEEEHAH! You just keep loving everybody no matter what you actually think of them I'm not that way inclined. If I don't like someone or something its out there and plain to see. I'm not a complicated person more like a dog "can't eat it, piss on it"
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Post by devondumpling on Jan 17, 2017 13:19:11 GMT
So in your eyes, it's all about self gratification, regardless of the impact on Stoke. - I hate Pulis, ( because I think he was boring, sneaky, insert your own adjective and I disagreed with his selections, tactics, insert your own noun ), and would throw shit at his statue even though he has made Stoke better and brought the club to a place where we might not have been if it were not for his achievements. But hey, stuff the club, I hate him and that's all that matters. There is a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and just been downright disrespectful and unappreciative. Personally, I did not want Pulis back. But then I saw what he was starting to achieve and threw my weight wholeheartedly behind him. I did not enjoy his last 18 months and was glad to see him go, but I will forever respect him for what he did for Stoke. If ever I meet him in the street, I will thank him wholeheartedly and with absolutely no qualification. If I walk by his statue, I will stop and explain to my grandchildren that this is the man who brought Stoke back to the Premiership and kept them there against all odds. As another example, Peter Crouch, a great servant for the club, now aging and 1 goal away from achieving a great milestone. You shower abuse and derogatory terms on him and anyone who supports his inclusion. I on the other hand thank him for all he has achieved and am delighted to have had one of the games "statesmen" to play for us. If there is anyway possible that Stoke can help him achieve his milestone without hurting the club significantly, I am all for it. But hey, you carry on slinging shit at everything the club does just because it does not fit "what you would do", for me, I'll keep on supporting the club every step along the way and paying respect for the tremendous effort that so many people have put in to get us where we are today...... which by the way is 9th - YEEEHAH! You just keep loving everybody no matter what you actually think of them I'm not that way inclined. If I don't like someone or something its out there and plain to see. I'm not a complicated person more like a dog "can't eat it, piss on it" [/quote But you don't like people using the same inflammatory bile back at you!
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Post by alster on Jan 17, 2017 15:43:58 GMT
You just keep loving everybody no matter what you actually think of them I'm not that way inclined. If I don't like someone or something its out there and plain to see. I'm not a complicated person more like a dog "can't eat it, piss on it" [/quote But you don't like people using the same inflammatory bile back at you! I'm not at all bothered what people say to me, I'll discuss, debate, insult however you like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 16:02:39 GMT
For me the game against Sunderland was a carbon copy of previous games with only the result differing.
On the front foot with a direct approach pinning the opposition back. After 30 mins we lack concentration or burn out and the opposition come back into it.
Had him they bought from Man City not fluffed his lines to make it 2-3 it could again have been a different story.
As soon as we concede we panic and fall apart, our passing goes to pot and we look all over the place. For a while it's what happened against Sunderland.
The second goal was a brilliant move and a joy to watch, the other 2 were shocking errors from Sunderland.
Things are not perfect, we still struggle to put more than 30 mins of good play together. He still doesn't know what his best team is and currently reverting to the old guard and mainly long ball.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 17, 2017 16:13:51 GMT
For me the game against Sunderland was a carbon copy of previous games with only the result differing. On the front foot with a direct approach pinning the opposition back. After 30 mins we lack concentration or burn out and the opposition come back into it. Had him they bought from Man City not fluffed his lines to make it 2-3 it could again have been a different story. As soon as we concede we panic and fall apart, our passing goes to pot and we look all over the place. For a while it's what happened against Sunderland. The second goal was a brilliant move and a joy to watch, the other 2 were shocking errors from Sunderland. Things are not perfect, we still struggle to put more than 30 mins of good play together. He still doesn't know what his best team is and currently reverting to the old guard and mainly long ball. And if Arnie had scored then it would of been 4-1.Football is full of ifs,buts and maybes
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Jan 17, 2017 16:58:39 GMT
There are some interesting points in these posts when you cut through the love Pulis hate Hughes or love Hughes hate Pulis approaches.
Pulis with the assistance of the Coates family and a big helping of SKY revenue got us into the premiership , he established a way to play that had a perverse attraction to it but which was eventually found out and when he tried to evolve it didn't work. Hughes had the then help of BET 365 and even more SKY money to change the style of play and bring in more exotic players some at bargain prices some at what are probably only market rates however high it seems.
Both were/are club employees and paid at a level which whilst certainly the market rate is so far beyond most people that it beggars belief , but I suppose if it bothered me that much I would stop giving money to SKY and if everyone else did the bottom would drop rapidly out of the football market , but that isn't going to happen.
So for me I'm in the Stoke are my club category , as I live a reasonable distance away and have other stuff I like to do on weekends and as a consequence don't see them live much it isn't life or deth like it was back in the seventies so I don't love or hate any of them.
Therefore my opinion is pretty pragmatic and goes as follows.
Hughes introduced a more interesting style of play , still there , see the second goal on Saturday . He himself is pragmatic see the third goal . I think he has lost his way a bit due to some players losing form due to injury , most notably Shawcross and Bojan , some players having long term injuries , Butland and Affellay , some players just not being able to produce their best form consistently , Arnautovic and Shaqiri , plus some new players that just cant seem to fir at all ,Imbula , or Allen who is still settling in and struggling to find his best position. Add in the lack , like a lot of teams , of a high scoring striker with pace and it all makes sense .
Despite that we are in 9th having played some very hard games around Christmas and he has actually used the resources available to mix and match , exampled by Crouch especially.
So for me he's probably doing as well as we could expect , yes I'd like brilliantly talented local youth couples with current England internationals storming to the top of the table but that dream is online with the one where I hear I've won the lottery whilst sinking the winning put at the Masters watched by an admiring Helen Mirren and Kylie.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 17, 2017 17:54:40 GMT
So in your eyes, it's all about self gratification, regardless of the impact on Stoke. - I hate Pulis, ( because I think he was boring, sneaky, insert your own adjective and I disagreed with his selections, tactics, insert your own noun ), and would throw shit at his statue even though he has made Stoke better and brought the club to a place where we might not have been if it were not for his achievements. But hey, stuff the club, I hate him and that's all that matters. There is a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and just been downright disrespectful and unappreciative. Personally, I did not want Pulis back. But then I saw what he was starting to achieve and threw my weight wholeheartedly behind him. I did not enjoy his last 18 months and was glad to see him go, but I will forever respect him for what he did for Stoke. If ever I meet him in the street, I will thank him wholeheartedly and with absolutely no qualification. If I walk by his statue, I will stop and explain to my grandchildren that this is the man who brought Stoke back to the Premiership and kept them there against all odds. As another example, Peter Crouch, a great servant for the club, now aging and 1 goal away from achieving a great milestone. You shower abuse and derogatory terms on him and anyone who supports his inclusion. I on the other hand thank him for all he has achieved and am delighted to have had one of the games "statesmen" to play for us. If there is anyway possible that Stoke can help him achieve his milestone without hurting the club significantly, I am all for it. But hey, you carry on slinging shit at everything the club does just because it does not fit "what you would do", for me, I'll keep on supporting the club every step along the way and paying respect for the tremendous effort that so many people have put in to get us where we are today...... which by the way is 9th - YEEEHAH! You just keep loving everybody no matter what you actually think of them I'm not that way inclined. If I don't like someone or something its out there and plain to see. I'm not a complicated person more like a dog "can't eat it, piss on it" Oh for heavens sake. If you can't see the difference between "loving" compared to "paying respect" and "showing appreciation" where it is due, then you really do not have a clue. Pulis saved us from tumbling down again - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to Prem - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis kept us up against tremendous odds - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to FA Cup Final - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis took us into Europe - Fact -Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Hmmm, how should I show my appreciation? I know let me throw shit at his statue! Why? Because he didn't play in the manner I wanted him to play. Showing appreciation for what figures in our past have done for the club, does not mean they were perfect or we agreed with everything they did, but they still deserve our appreciation.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 17, 2017 18:00:40 GMT
There are some interesting points in these posts when you cut through the love Pulis hate Hughes or love Hughes hate Pulis approaches. Pulis with the assistance of the Coates family and a big helping of SKY revenue got us into the premiership , he established a way to play that had a perverse attraction to it but which was eventually found out and when he tried to evolve it didn't work. Hughes had the then help of BET 365 and even more SKY money to change the style of play and bring in more exotic players some at bargain prices some at what are probably only market rates however high it seems. Both were/are club employees and paid at a level which whilst certainly the market rate is so far beyond most people that it beggars belief , but I suppose if it bothered me that much I would stop giving money to SKY and if everyone else did the bottom would drop rapidly out of the football market , but that isn't going to happen. So for me I'm in the Stoke are my club category , as I live a reasonable distance away and have other stuff I like to do on weekends and as a consequence don't see them live much it isn't life or deth like it was back in the seventies so I don't love or hate any of them. Therefore my opinion is pretty pragmatic and goes as follows. Hughes introduced a more interesting style of play , still there , see the second goal on Saturday . He himself is pragmatic see the third goal . I think he has lost his way a bit due to some players losing form due to injury , most notably Shawcross and Bojan , some players having long term injuries , Butland and Affellay , some players just not being able to produce their best form consistently , Arnautovic and Shaqiri , plus some new players that just cant seem to fir at all ,Imbula , or Allen who is still settling in and struggling to find his best position. Add in the lack , like a lot of teams , of a high scoring striker with pace and it all makes sense . Despite that we are in 9th having played some very hard games around Christmas and he has actually used the resources available to mix and match , exampled by Crouch especially. So for me he's probably doing as well as we could expect , yes I'd like brilliantly talented local youth couples with current England internationals storming to the top of the table but that dream is online with the one where I hear I've won the lottery whilst sinking the winning put at the Masters watched by an admiring Helen Mirren and Kylie. To me, both Hughes and Pulis are 2 of the top 5 managers in Stoke's history. Apart from a semantic who's better, (as in a George Best or Johan Cruyff type of comparrison), they are both hugely responsible for our current status and success. Bothe deserve our respect and appreciation for what they helped Stoke accomplish.
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Post by alster on Jan 17, 2017 18:58:47 GMT
You just keep loving everybody no matter what you actually think of them I'm not that way inclined. If I don't like someone or something its out there and plain to see. I'm not a complicated person more like a dog "can't eat it, piss on it" Oh for heavens sake. If you can't see the difference between "loving" compared to "paying respect" and "showing appreciation" where it is due, then you really do not have a clue. Pulis saved us from tumbling down again - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to Prem - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis kept us up against tremendous odds - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis got us to FA Cup Final - Fact - Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Pulis took us into Europe - Fact -Worthy of appreciation from ANY Stokie? - Yes. Hmmm, how should I show my appreciation? I know let me throw shit at his statue! Why? Because he didn't play in the manner I wanted him to play. Showing appreciation for what figures in our past have done for the club, does not mean they were perfect or we agreed with everything they did, but they still deserve our appreciation. I tend not to respect people like Pulis whatever you say and whatever he does to try to make him feel better about himself, surprised you never tagged that on (his charity stuff) Jimmy Saville did loads of charity stuff too I don't respect him either. Pulis is a vile, devious, dishonest, divisive toad. 1 bag of shit would not suffice, I'd mix brake fluid in it too. Thankfully nobody at the club is daft enough to erect a statue of such a divisive individual.
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