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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 0:42:43 GMT
I wouldn't give him £5 to go to poundland with, he would come back with 100 carrier bags Comedy genius. Not. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 30, 2016 0:49:25 GMT
Hanging all me hopes on Robertson from Hull and Berhino to add to the complexities of the picture for now. With some promotions from the yoof too. That'll do for me. I'm being fairly hip hop and zef about this window. For now. Robertson has just had his contract extended which is annoying. It's a ploy I'm sure. Harry Maguire instead if they fall for the trap. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by flal on Dec 30, 2016 0:52:09 GMT
Players in
PLAYER FROM FEE DATE
Sadio Mane Southampton £34,000,000 28 Jun, 2016
Joel Matip Schalke Free 01 Jul, 2016
Loris Karius Mainz £4,700,000 01 Jul, 2016
Ragnar Klavan Augsburg £4,200,000 20 Jul, 2016
Alex Manninger Augsburg Free 22 Jul, 2016
Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle £25,000,000 22 Jul, 2016
Total: £67,900,000
Yep, he's coaching his arse off....
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I had thought I read they had a surplus after selling Ibe, Benteke, Allen. Don't think Klopp spent net big money at all.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 1:47:01 GMT
I would give him hundreds of millions of pounds to be honest. A milion million pounds if I had it to invest in City  |
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 30, 2016 2:03:19 GMT
Hughes' big money signings have been more miss than hit so far. Joselu, Shaqiri, Imbula.........36 mill between them.......bloody hell.
Allen was a good deal for 13m, mind you.
It is clear we need a major overhaul with our homegrown players getting older and less likely to contribute in any meaningful way. We need to invest in younger HG lads, or bring some through from the Academy. We need to sort Grant and Indi first. After that, both full backs need cover/replacement, we need a new starting DM, more wing options and at least two strikers, shipping out half a dozen to make way.
Hughes needs to show he has the balls to make some tough decisions.....if he does, I think Coates will back him.
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Post by riproaring on Dec 30, 2016 2:07:04 GMT
I wouldn't give him £5 to go to poundland with, he would come back with 100 carrier bags Comedy genius. Not. Old wise one which of Hughes major signings big money signings are a success, two are out on loan one hasn't played since Leicester for no logical reason. The gamble which was Arnie at £2.5m has been great not much else when the money has been spent. The team at Liverpool had 5 players signed by the person no one ever mentions on here |
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 2:20:20 GMT
Old wise one which of Hughes major signings big money signings are a success, two are out on loan one hasn't played since Leicester for no logical reason. The gamble which was Arnie at £2.5m has been great not much else when the money has been spent. The team at Liverpool had 5 players signed by the person no one ever mentions on here Well you convinced me entirely, what was I thinking. The new manager used some players the old manager had signed... FUCK ME Get Hughes OUT now, we are doomed  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 3:11:55 GMT
Old wise one which of Hughes major signings big money signings are a success, two are out on loan one hasn't played since Leicester for no logical reason. The gamble which was Arnie at £2.5m has been great not much else when the money has been spent. The team at Liverpool had 5 players signed by the person no one ever mentions on here Now that's more like it. A much better articulation of the situation. Seems like people come on here and rant like 5 year olds. Troglodytes, with the IQ to match. MH has deserved a lot more respect and patience for all he's done to move us forward, than have these childish rants aimed at him. We're a work in progress, we're always going to be. Some seasons will be up, some will be down. Players will be misfits, take a while to adapt, not quite fit, or last a season then get carted off. It's inevitable. I'd like MH to do better, but when you look at the average added points and 9th place finishes, he's move us on without a doubt, and it's hard to throw a name in the ring who'll add an average 3-6 points every season to our last three season averages. If anyone can present a solid business case and name in the frame, I'm all ears but it seems there's nobody out there. And Sir PC doesn't care a toss what I or anyone else thinks. So we have to live with what we have. We're an imperfect, mid-table, unliked, unappealing sort of misfit club. Am I happy, not not really, late start to the season, costly misfits, poor subs, poor tactics, talent on the bench, 18m down the shitter, etc. Poor PR, terrible interviews, some poor social media, mis-colored seating, the tooth achingly slow response to filling in the corner, lack of investment in the stadium and surroundings. On and off the pitch, we have challenges and need to sharpen up. |
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 30, 2016 4:02:04 GMT
Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Sadio Mane Southampton £34,000,000 28 Jun, 2016 Joel Matip Schalke Free 01 Jul, 2016 Loris Karius Mainz £4,700,000 01 Jul, 2016 Ragnar Klavan Augsburg £4,200,000 20 Jul, 2016 Alex Manninger Augsburg Free 22 Jul, 2016 Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle £25,000,000 22 Jul, 2016 Total: £67,900,000 Yep, he's coaching his arse off.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had thought I read they had a surplus after selling Ibe, Benteke, Allen. Don't think Klopp spent net big money at all. Having a clear way of playing and signing players to fit it is part of coaching. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 30, 2016 4:08:22 GMT
Players in PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Sadio Mane Southampton £34,000,000 28 Jun, 2016 Joel Matip Schalke Free 01 Jul, 2016 Loris Karius Mainz £4,700,000 01 Jul, 2016 Ragnar Klavan Augsburg £4,200,000 20 Jul, 2016 Alex Manninger Augsburg Free 22 Jul, 2016 Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle £25,000,000 22 Jul, 2016 Total: £67,900,000 Yep, he's coaching his arse off.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had thought I read they had a surplus after selling Ibe, Benteke, Allen. Don't think Klopp spent net big money at all. Having a clear way of playing and signing players to fit it is part of coaching. technically that is "managing"... If Ibe was in the first team at Liverpool I would say that was down to coaching. Rodgers coached him well...I wanted Ibe here as well as Redmond too |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Dec 30, 2016 4:30:46 GMT
Michael Carrick would be perfect. All we need.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 30, 2016 8:46:29 GMT
A goalie and sign Martins Indi is all we need in January. Hughes needs to find the right formation and team out of the players he already has at his disposal. Agreed, Hughes needs to demonstrate that his spending on Imbula and Shaqiri were worthwhile first, along with the money so far down the drain on Bony. Hopefully, Bony has only bought a single ticket but at the end of the day, it would't be a bad thing if we cashed in our chips and got rid of all three. We can not afford to hang around waiting for them to earn their money. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 30, 2016 8:52:04 GMT
The relative failure of Shaq and Bony are more down to the player than the manager. Nobody on here would have said they are risky signings given their pedigree. Imbula is similar but more on Hughes.
We need to freshen up an ageing team - he has to be backed.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 30, 2016 8:53:01 GMT
we don't have a great deal of choice, back him or sack him The best Hughes should expect is securing Grant & Indi, a bit of time to prove he can manage the players he has acquired plus some loan funding only. |
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Post by gogogadget on Dec 30, 2016 9:14:29 GMT
I remember Charlton fans saying curbishley had taken them as far as he could. He got them to about 6-7th. The good thing about football is that its all about opinion.
For me, I watched some great games with pulis in charge, but in the main(after the three year plan) it got worse. Bizarrely with palace his teams played well.
But with Hughes, I've seen some great performances, in terms of slick performances, doing the Manx's at home in a three week period was great.
I do think though, that a lot of the defeats have been hard to stomach, in the sense that there appeared to be no fight.
I don't really want to lose Hughes I'd just like him to make us more solid, while keeping good football(again that's opinion).
After all that, yes he still needs backing. 1 last chance to try and find our no 1 striker.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 30, 2016 9:23:49 GMT
The relative failure of Shaq and Bony are more down to the player than the manager. Nobody on here would have said they are risky signings given their pedigree. Imbula is similar but more on Hughes. We need to freshen up an ageing team - he has to be backed. Of course they were risky I think many on here thought risk was involved Bony one good season with Swansea then puff nothing Shaq had doubts about temperament and injury worries Whether the risk was worth taking is still open to debate with one of them Yes he has to be backed we have no choice |
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 30, 2016 9:44:49 GMT
The long and the short of it is simple. If Coates won't give the manager anything to spend then he would clearly have lost faith. I don't think this is the case quite yet.
If Wilf goes we have a decent wage to offer someone else as a potential loan signing.
We are desperate for a proven centre half. This year Wollscheid and Wilson left. Tex has proved to be nowhere near good enough. Cameron and Muniesa are not fit. Ryan is a shadow of his former self. If ever Bruno gets injured life will be very tricky.
We also need a keeper. We saw last year that we cannot rely on Haugaard or Given. Grant needs signing urgently and we need back up.
Our major investment needs to be a goal scorer. We need a real James Beattie type signing and we need one urgently.
If we can cover these positions off it should be within any decent manager's ability to craft a functioning midfield out of Affelay, Allen, Arnie, Bojan,Charlie, Cameron, Ireland, Shaqiri, Shenton, Sobhi, Whelan, Walters and Diouf. (And there's enough of them to ever avoid using the tired excuse again).
In summary, I wouldn't give Hughes a penny to spend on midfield but I would back him to sign a striker on the proviso that he is prepared to give him a run of games up front and never,ever, ever, ever deploy him as a right back, wing back or winger.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Dec 30, 2016 9:51:14 GMT
Carrick
Berahino
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 30, 2016 10:30:00 GMT
If we were looking at Man United players Phil Jones was the one, but that ship appears to have sailed. Would a Rashford loan be out of the question? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 30, 2016 10:35:19 GMT
we don't have a great deal of choice, back him or sack him The best Hughes should expect is securing Grant & Indi, a bit of time to prove he can manage the players he has acquired plus some loan funding only. We don't have time to do that IMO we need a DM. CB and STR as a matter of urgency. He needs to be told by Coates he will only get money for these and not another AM. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 30, 2016 11:15:30 GMT
The long and the short of it is simple. If Coates won't give the manager anything to spend then he would clearly have lost faith. I don't think this is the case quite yet. If Wilf goes we have a decent wage to offer someone else as a potential loan signing. We are desperate for a proven centre half. This year Wollscheid and Wilson left. Tex has proved to be nowhere near good enough. Cameron and Muniesa are not fit. Ryan is a shadow of his former self. If ever Bruno gets injured life will be very tricky. We also need a keeper. We saw last year that we cannot rely on Haugaard or Given. Grant needs signing urgently and we need back up. Our major investment needs to be a goal scorer. We need a real James Beattie type signing and we need one urgently. If we can cover these positions off it should be within any decent manager's ability to craft a functioning midfield out of Affelay, Allen, Arnie, Bojan,Charlie, Cameron, Ireland, Shaqiri, Shenton, Sobhi, Whelan, Walters and Diouf. (And there's enough of them to ever avoid using the tired excuse again). In summary, I wouldn't give Hughes a penny to spend on midfield but I would back him to sign a striker on the proviso that he is prepared to give him a run of games up front and never,ever, ever, ever deploy him as a right back, wing back or winger. Whilst I agree with all of that, I'd be dead against having the chairman dictate the players and the tactics and the squad. Recipe for disaster. You either trust your manager, or you sack him and get someone else. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 30, 2016 11:17:55 GMT
If Coates isn't prepared to give Hughes any money or allow him to spend it the way he thinks best he needs to change the manager. When a chairman holds back funds or tries to dictate signings the club has lost the plot big time.
If anything comes off in January its a bonus. Give Hughes the money in the summer - he's earned the right to carry on with the development of the squad - and I think we're seeing the dismantling of the Pulis core in the and the emergence of Hughes' side.
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 30, 2016 11:27:22 GMT
The long and the short of it is simple. If Coates won't give the manager anything to spend then he would clearly have lost faith. I don't think this is the case quite yet. If Wilf goes we have a decent wage to offer someone else as a potential loan signing. We are desperate for a proven centre half. This year Wollscheid and Wilson left. Tex has proved to be nowhere near good enough. Cameron and Muniesa are not fit. Ryan is a shadow of his former self. If ever Bruno gets injured life will be very tricky. We also need a keeper. We saw last year that we cannot rely on Haugaard or Given. Grant needs signing urgently and we need back up. Our major investment needs to be a goal scorer. We need a real James Beattie type signing and we need one urgently. If we can cover these positions off it should be within any decent manager's ability to craft a functioning midfield out of Affelay, Allen, Arnie, Bojan,Charlie, Cameron, Ireland, Shaqiri, Shenton, Sobhi, Whelan, Walters and Diouf. (And there's enough of them to ever avoid using the tired excuse again). In summary, I wouldn't give Hughes a penny to spend on midfield but I would back him to sign a striker on the proviso that he is prepared to give him a run of games up front and never,ever, ever, ever deploy him as a right back, wing back or winger. Whilst I agree with all of that, I'd be dead against having the chairman dictate the players and the tactics and the squad. Recipe for disaster. You either trust your manager, or you sack him and get someone else. I'm not saying that Coates should have any influence over tactics. However, if I was Coates and had a limited budget in mind, I would not give Hughes money to spend on a midfielder. We have ample resources in midfield and managers earn a good salary. Therefore Hughes needs to earn his dosh and shape the current group of midfielders into an effective unit. Our priorities lie elsewhere. |
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Post by alster on Dec 30, 2016 11:31:32 GMT
If I was trying to come up with exactly what we don't need I might well come to the answer Carrick. The last thing the squad needs is another geriatric with low energy levels. |
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Post by chaydlestokie on Dec 30, 2016 11:38:58 GMT
Doesn't Grants loan expire tomorrow (31st Dec)? Are we not in deep do do if this is the case?
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Post by Onneravineet on Dec 30, 2016 11:39:27 GMT
Lee Grant.
John Obi Mikel.
Robbie Brady.
Would love Snodgrass too if I am being cheeky.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 30, 2016 12:06:23 GMT
If we permanently sign Martins Indi and Grant it opens up 4 loans ( 5 if Bony leaves ) That's the route we will take as it's madness to build a squad in January Never much business done in January. If that was our window then not sent but I'd be happy as we have secured 2 loans who have fitted in and done well and shipped out one who doesn't want to be here. Berahino would be great but given he is free in the summer the price has to be v low (2-3m) and I can't see Pearce taking that as he will still believe he can sign him up with Baggies Im sure berahino will go to Celtic for a free at the end of the season. He'll get decent money up there but will then be sold after a year, just like what is going to happen with Dembele. |
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Post by cheshirepotter on Dec 31, 2016 7:58:18 GMT
In answer to the initial post... No.
I'd challenge him to obtain the best out of the current squad of players instead. It is in the main amply good enough but underperforming. Given this, why spend more....?
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Post by alster on Dec 31, 2016 8:38:17 GMT
In answer to the initial post... No. I'd challenge him to obtain the best out of the current squad of players instead. It is in the main amply good enough but underperforming. Given this, why spend more....? Reasons to spend would be the squad needs a big overhaul there a far too many issues to sort out in one window so get ahead of the massive job in the Summer. Give the manager a chance to turn things around, if he can't show signs of improvement he should not be around in the Summer. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 31, 2016 8:45:52 GMT
If Indi doesn't sign in January then I think he'll leave us at the end of the season. This is his biggest priority in January for me. Following that, a striker to replace Bony when he fucks off.
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