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Post by mrcoke on Nov 1, 2016 11:55:50 GMT
Do you feel Pieters is playing much better?
I cringe when he lines up a cross. Its embarrassing that a professional footballer cant put a simple 20 yard cross into the box - its all I would make him do in training! And currently he doesnt make a tackle either! And Charlie wont be fit until he can get 5 or 6 games under his belt, playing 10 mins here and there wont make anyone match sharp - I thought he did well last night, his range of passing and vision is something else. And on the discipline side, think you are being harsh - he is fighting his natural urge to go forward in the DCM role, but I thought he was effective against two decent players in Siggurdson and Ki. He prob isnt a left back, but it would be criminal to not have that positive, forward thinking passing in the side somewhere. I was slating Whelan again last night for his negative sideways/backwards passing again, then he put THAT pass through to Ramadan so I shut up lol I certainly do. He continued his lack of form at the start of the season, but he has played well for the last month. He was excellent at Hull and close to being MOTM the way he stifled any threat Hull had down their right wing. His centring has never been very good, but his is still a very sound player and much better LB than Muni (much as I love Muni).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 11:56:50 GMT
I want him in the team. People at the club and on the coaches from Knype were grumbling when they saw him in the team last night, I defended him before the game as I love Charlie to bits, and he is one of the most positive players we have. As somebody says above, he is a matchwinner, gets into great shooting positions and I expect him to hit the target generally, he has lost a bit of pud looking at him last night, kept up for 90 mins, but he wont have that full match fitness without games. I worry for Bojan the same, as it will take him 3-4 games to get up to speed when he returns, and some in the crowd wont afford that luxury. Charlie is too 'indisciplined' and 'slow', Bojan is too 'lightweight' and 'scarred of injury', Cameron is 'championship' and a 'liability', Imbula is a 'waste of space', Arnie is a 'mardarse', Shaq is 'lazy', Bony is a 'useless lump', Shawcross is 'past his best', Pieters, Whelan, Bardo yada yada yada - I dont know why some of you bother coming just to moan! I thought he was ace and deserves to keep his spot, and well done to all the lads on another 3 points. Even the ones who didnt play that well :-) Horses for courses, at home to the likes of Swansea Adam is perfect, away at the Emirates or the Etihad he is a liability. He becomes a passenger away from home at times, whereas at home he is arguably our biggest goal threat....
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 1, 2016 11:58:28 GMT
I want him in the team. People at the club and on the coaches from Knype were grumbling when they saw him in the team last night, I defended him before the game as I love Charlie to bits, and he is one of the most positive players we have. As somebody says above, he is a matchwinner, gets into great shooting positions and I expect him to hit the target generally, he has lost a bit of pud looking at him last night, kept up for 90 mins, but he wont have that full match fitness without games. I worry for Bojan the same, as it will take him 3-4 games to get up to speed when he returns, and some in the crowd wont afford that luxury. Charlie is too 'indisciplined' and 'slow', Bojan is too 'lightweight' and 'scarred of injury', Cameron is 'championship' and a 'liability', Imbula is a 'waste of space', Arnie is a 'mardarse', Shaq is 'lazy', Bony is a 'useless lump', Shawcross is 'past his best', Pieters, Whelan, Bardo yada yada yada - I dont know why some of you bother coming just to moan! I thought he was ace and deserves to keep his spot, and well done to all the lads on another 3 points. Even the ones who didnt play that well :-) Horses for courses, at home to the likes of Swansea Adam is perfect, away at the Emirates or the Etihad he is a liability. He becomes a passenger away from home at times, whereas at home he is arguably our biggest goal threat.... Yep thats probably about right.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 1, 2016 12:06:06 GMT
Pieters was atrocious last night but that has no bearing on the merits of Charlie Adam at left back. It brings Muni and potentially Taylor into play but Adam? Pieters was not atrocious. He never gave their winger a kick. He had a mad 5 minutes in 2nd half but he was far from atrocious. Pieters? I thought it was up there with one of the worse left back performances I've seen in ages. He was all over the place. His crossing was shit, his passing was the same, he was chasing shadows in behind him at times, and don't mention the free kick right on the edge of the box. I know it was Halloween, but he scared me death all night.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2016 12:30:29 GMT
Dave his crossing is utterly dreadful, and he spent more time wrestling last night than defending - their winger was utter garbage as well! Never seen a winger trip himself up and kick the ball out of play 3-4 times in one half before, it was comical! I like Erik, I like how he links up with Arnie, I've met him and he is a proper decent bloke, but his form has been off for 12 months nearly. He also gave the ball away a lot last night with misplaced passes or overhit attempts - maybe the new partnership with Sobhi needs some time to bed and read each others game. But that crossing is a real bug bear of mine! I couldn't give a shit about his crossing. He's there, first and foremost to stop the crosses coming into our box. Offensively, if he gets the ball to Arnie ir whoever is wide, he's done his job.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2016 12:33:04 GMT
Pieters was not atrocious. He never gave their winger a kick. He had a mad 5 minutes in 2nd half but he was far from atrocious. Pieters? I thought it was up there with one of the worse left back performances I've seen in ages. He was all over the place. His crossing was shit, his passing was the same, he was chasing shadows in behind him at times, and don't mention the free kick right on the edge of the box. I know it was Halloween, but he scared me death all night. Commentators felt he'd played well and said as much openly. I was never worried at all and you get a different view on tv as emotionally, you aren't quite so wrapped up in the game.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 1, 2016 12:49:07 GMT
Pieters? I thought it was up there with one of the worse left back performances I've seen in ages. He was all over the place. His crossing was shit, his passing was the same, he was chasing shadows in behind him at times, and don't mention the free kick right on the edge of the box. I know it was Halloween, but he scared me death all night. Commentators felt he'd played well and said as much openly. I was never worried at all and you get a different view on tv as emotionally, you aren't quite so wrapped up in the game. To be fair, Dave, when they said he'd played Barrow well last night I was a bit confused. Although Barrow himself was rubbish he got on the right (wrong) side of Pieters a fair few times and down their right is where we looked most at sea. I'm not one for criticising players after a comfortable win but he was by far and way our worst player last night both in defence and in attack. Me thinks if Geoff Cameron would have done the same things, he wouldn't have been cut so much slack.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2016 12:52:53 GMT
Commentators felt he'd played well and said as much openly. I was never worried at all and you get a different view on tv as emotionally, you aren't quite so wrapped up in the game. To be fair, Dave, when they said he'd played Barrow well last night I was a bit confused. Although Barrow himself was rubbish he got on the right (wrong) side of Pieters a fair few times and down their right is where we looked most at sea. I'm not one for criticising players after a comfortable win but he was by far and way our worst player last night both in defence and in attack. Me thinks if Geoff Cameron would have done the same things, he wouldn't have been cut so much slack. He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up.
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Post by skip on Nov 1, 2016 12:55:46 GMT
I thought he had a good game too so I am a little befuddled by the comment that he was shit?! I will always love Charlie Adam.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 1, 2016 13:00:01 GMT
To be fair, Dave, when they said he'd played Barrow well last night I was a bit confused. Although Barrow himself was rubbish he got on the right (wrong) side of Pieters a fair few times and down their right is where we looked most at sea. I'm not one for criticising players after a comfortable win but he was by far and way our worst player last night both in defence and in attack. Me thinks if Geoff Cameron would have done the same things, he wouldn't have been cut so much slack. He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up. He was definitely offside where he poked it wide of the near post I agree. I think we got lucky with Barrow being poor on the ball all night. His movement was good and that's what troubled Pieters the most. He wasn't absolutely horrendous but he was definitely our weakest player last night.
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2016 13:01:28 GMT
To be fair, Dave, when they said he'd played Barrow well last night I was a bit confused. Although Barrow himself was rubbish he got on the right (wrong) side of Pieters a fair few times and down their right is where we looked most at sea. I'm not one for criticising players after a comfortable win but he was by far and way our worst player last night both in defence and in attack. Me thinks if Geoff Cameron would have done the same things, he wouldn't have been cut so much slack. He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up. This is the very same Barrow who by all accounts tore the Arsenal full back (whoever he is) a new arsehole a matter of weeks ago. He didn't really get a sniff last night did he? Some of Pieters' crossing was poor and he wants a bollocking for that penalty incident, but his main job was to keep Barrow in check in and he did a reasonable job of that.
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Post by werrington on Nov 1, 2016 13:05:29 GMT
He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up. This is the very same Barrow who by all accounts tore the Arsenal full back (whoever he is) a new arsehole a matter of weeks ago. He didn't really get a sniff last night did he? Some of Pieters' crossing was poor and he wants a rimming for that penalty incident, but his main job was to keep Barrow in check in and he did a reasonable job of that. Yep the panel on soccer Saturday were raving about him ( Barrow )
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Post by skip on Nov 1, 2016 13:06:31 GMT
He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up. This is the very same Barrow who by all accounts tore the Arsenal full back (whoever he is) a new arsehole a matter of weeks ago. He didn't really get a sniff last night did he? Some of Pieters' crossing was poor and he wants a rimming for that penalty incident, but his main job was to keep Barrow in check in and he did a reasonable job of that.
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Post by Royal Donut on Nov 1, 2016 13:07:49 GMT
Adam a player that needs game time, and he got some last night, a game changer, one we need to keep. Once fuly fit he will be starting every game.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 1, 2016 13:12:40 GMT
From the Sky commentary:
STOKE 2-1 SWANSEA
63 mins: And there's the change as Barrow - who has been kept under the thumb by Pieters - is replaced by Baston. A positive change from Bob Bradley.
Pieters continues his work he had been doing on Barrow and charges into Baston to introduce him to the game. He may not enjoy this cold, October night in Stoke...
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 1, 2016 13:15:19 GMT
Adam a player that needs game time, and he got some last night, a game changer, one we need to keep. Once fuly fit he will be starting every game. The point is that Adam is never "fully fit" by modern Premier League standards. He was born too late - if he was playing in the era of Hudson, Bowles and Marsh, he'd be a legend, but the fact is that today a central midfielder has to be an athlete, has to cover miles and miles each game, to be truly effective, to dominate games. Charlie is just not made like that. The above poster is right - he is ideal for home games against opposition which sits and defends, as he has the ability to play a game changing pass or let loose a long range howitzer of a shot. Just don't start him in away matches against big teams where we have to hassle and harry, close down and defend, and try to counter-attack at pace: that is simply not his game. For Wet Sham, if fit, Cameron comes straight back in, for me.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2016 13:17:21 GMT
Adam a player that needs game time, and he got some last night, a game changer, one we need to keep. Once fuly fit he will be starting every game. The point is that Adam is never "fully fit" by modern Premier League standards. He was born too late - if he was playing in the era of Hudson, Bowles and Marsh, he'd be a legend, but the fact is that today a central midfielder has to be an athlete, has to cover miles and miles each game, to be truly effective, to dominate games. Charlie is just not made like that. The above poster is right - he is ideal for home games against opposition which sits and defends, as he has the ability to play a game changing pass or let loose a long range howitzer of a shot. Just don't start him in away matches against big teams where we have to hassle and harry, close down and defend, and try to counter-attack at pace: that is simply not his game. For Wet Sham, if fit, Cameron comes straight back in, for me. That's going to ask an awful lot of Sobhi creatively though if Shaq's out Jezza...
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 1, 2016 13:26:21 GMT
Adam a player that needs game time, and he got some last night, a game changer, one we need to keep. Once fuly fit he will be starting every game. The point is that Adam is never "fully fit" by modern Premier League standards. He was born too late - if he was playing in the era of Hudson, Bowles and Marsh, he'd be a legend, but the fact is that today a central midfielder has to be an athlete, has to cover miles and miles each game, to be truly effective, to dominate games. Charlie is just not made like that. The above poster is right - he is ideal for home games against opposition which sits and defends, as he has the ability to play a game changing pass or let loose a long range howitzer of a shot. Just don't start him in away matches against big teams where we have to hassle and harry, close down and defend, and try to counter-attack at pace: that is simply not his game. For Wet Sham, if fit, Cameron comes straight back in, for me. Its a fair comment about Charlie and surely the Swansea game was a perfect stage for him and so it worked out. But your FFS comment on yesterdays team thread suggest otherwise wonder who you would have picked before Charlie. I thought his pick was a no brainer
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Post by Rick Grimes on Nov 1, 2016 13:26:34 GMT
He got behind him once in the first half and ran the ball out of play. He was actually a good 2 yards offside even though the flag didn't go up. This is the very same Barrow who by all accounts tore the Arsenal full back (whoever he is) a new arsehole a matter of weeks ago. He didn't really get a sniff last night did he? Some of Pieters' crossing was poor and he wants a rimming for that penalty incident, but his main job was to keep Barrow in check in and he did a reasonable job of that. I thought Barrow was doing a good Cameron Jerome impression last night, lots of pace but an awful lot to be desired with his ability on the ball. That being said I agree that Pieters did a reasonable job of containing him.
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2016 13:27:46 GMT
This is the very same Barrow who by all accounts tore the Arsenal full back (whoever he is) a new arsehole a matter of weeks ago. He didn't really get a sniff last night did he? Some of Pieters' crossing was poor and he wants a rimming for that penalty incident, but his main job was to keep Barrow in check in and he did a reasonable job of that. Edited.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 1, 2016 13:28:53 GMT
The point is that Adam is never "fully fit" by modern Premier League standards. He was born too late - if he was playing in the era of Hudson, Bowles and Marsh, he'd be a legend, but the fact is that today a central midfielder has to be an athlete, has to cover miles and miles each game, to be truly effective, to dominate games. Charlie is just not made like that. The above poster is right - he is ideal for home games against opposition which sits and defends, as he has the ability to play a game changing pass or let loose a long range howitzer of a shot. Just don't start him in away matches against big teams where we have to hassle and harry, close down and defend, and try to counter-attack at pace: that is simply not his game. For Wet Sham, if fit, Cameron comes straight back in, for me. Its a fair comment about Charlie and surely the Swansea game was a perfect stage for him and so it worked out. But your FFS comment on yesterdays team thread suggest otherwise wonder who you would have picked before Charlie. I thought his pick was a no brainer I would have started Bojan and dropped Allen deeper. We don't know how that would have turned out, but the team Hughes picked proved to be more than competent to do a good job on the night, so fair play to him and to Charlie for taking his chance and posing such a threat going forward.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 1, 2016 13:35:54 GMT
The point is that Adam is never "fully fit" by modern Premier League standards. He was born too late - if he was playing in the era of Hudson, Bowles and Marsh, he'd be a legend, but the fact is that today a central midfielder has to be an athlete, has to cover miles and miles each game, to be truly effective, to dominate games. Charlie is just not made like that. The above poster is right - he is ideal for home games against opposition which sits and defends, as he has the ability to play a game changing pass or let loose a long range howitzer of a shot. Just don't start him in away matches against big teams where we have to hassle and harry, close down and defend, and try to counter-attack at pace: that is simply not his game. For Wet Sham, if fit, Cameron comes straight back in, for me. That's going to ask an awful lot of Sobhi creatively though if Shaq's out Jezza... Do we know Shaq is definitely out for the weekend? Is it his piano wire hammies again? I'd still start Geoff to make us more robust in the middle. The right flank is a toughie - maybe start Diouf to use his pace on the break and work rate when we are defending (the brave choice would be N'goy, or even Verlinden, but Les won't go for that and is more likely to give Walters the spot)? I agree we would lack the attacking flair we have shown of late, but to dig in and try to keep a clean sheet and hit them on the break looks our best bet in the circumstances.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2016 13:42:08 GMT
That's going to ask an awful lot of Sobhi creatively though if Shaq's out Jezza... Do we know Shaq is definitely out for the weekend? Is it his piano wire hammies again? I'd still start Geoff to make us more robust in the middle. The right flank is a toughie - maybe start Diouf to use his pace on the break and work rate when we are defending (the brave choice would be N'goy, or even Verlinden, but Les won't go for that and is more likely to give Walters the spot)? I agree we would lack the attacking flair we have shown of late, but to dig in and try to keep a clean sheet and hit them on the break looks our best bet in the circumstances. You've still got to have someone making the bullets though Jezza. Hopefully Shaq will be fit but the fact he came off so early doesn't inspire a huge amount of hope. I agree we'll need to frustrate them and dig in but it's hard to see where a goal's coming from with just Sobhi out wide. Allen can pick a pass, of course.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 1, 2016 13:45:57 GMT
If Charlie doesn't pass or shoot after taking no more than three steps with the ball he tends to get caught in possession. It happened a few times last night. He can't chase or harass the opposition midfield too well either but he did have a good 90 minutes last night. Like Jezza I thought Bojan may have come in with Allen moving back a bit but Charlie probably offered more solidity, in more ways than one
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 1, 2016 13:59:39 GMT
Do we know Shaq is definitely out for the weekend? Is it his piano wire hammies again? I'd still start Geoff to make us more robust in the middle. The right flank is a toughie - maybe start Diouf to use his pace on the break and work rate when we are defending (the brave choice would be N'goy, or even Verlinden, but Les won't go for that and is more likely to give Walters the spot)? I agree we would lack the attacking flair we have shown of late, but to dig in and try to keep a clean sheet and hit them on the break looks our best bet in the circumstances. You've still got to have someone making the bullets though Jezza. Hopefully Shaq will be fit but the fact he came off so early doesn't inspire a huge amount of hope. I agree we'll need to frustrate them and dig in but it's hard to see where a goal's coming from with just Sobhi out wide. Allen can pick a pass, of course. I agree with you - we have one player who could class as proper wing cover, and he has only just been released from whatever cage he had been kept in since the Hull cup game! "To lose one winger may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both (without sufficient cover) looks like carelessness." As Oscar Wilde would probably have written if he was a Stokie.
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Post by pipesurgeon on Nov 1, 2016 14:14:46 GMT
That's what you get with Adam he will have a shot at goal from anywhere we haven;t got anybody else who will do that.
He's good at one touch football doesn't have to trap the ball look around to see who is available i know it doesn't always come off.
Bonus was he played 90 minutes and didn't get booked.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 1, 2016 15:14:29 GMT
Pieters? I thought it was up there with one of the worse left back performances I've seen in ages. He was all over the place. His crossing was shit, his passing was the same, he was chasing shadows in behind him at times, and don't mention the free kick right on the edge of the box. I know it was Halloween, but he scared me death all night. Commentators felt he'd played well and said as much openly. I was never worried at all and you get a different view on tv as emotionally, you aren't quite so wrapped up in the game. Maybe so. I'm watching the game back later so maybe I'll see it differently, but when I was there everytime I watched him during play something went wrong everytime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 15:54:50 GMT
Good player. Important player.
We missed Cameron's energy and running but Adam was superb. Always dangerous when he's on the pitch.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Nov 19, 2016 17:41:20 GMT
I didn't get where I am today by putting in a display that can only be classified as inept.
I tend to back off and let other folk do the player bashing but Mr. Adam today was fucking woeful.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2016 17:42:43 GMT
Dreadful today, utterly dreadful but not the worst on show.
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